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Post by Pilch on Oct 4, 2024 16:25:16 GMT 1
maybe if they tarted the place up a bit it might speed up a saleoh no wait forget that its just something new to moan about for the sake of moaning if I was the chairman, I would just sell to the highest bidder and sod everyone else Stop belittling respect posters just because they dare speak out. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what the rank and file feel, the Chairman will decide what he thinks is best and sod everyone else. yeah you win, feel free carrying on mocking the club for trying to sell up who am I so speak out against them, im just rank and file |
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 4, 2024 16:33:26 GMT 1
Doubt that would work. People are just questioning the thought behind spending on the Sovereign Suit as if purchasers are going to be swayed whilst the rest of the grounds looking very tired. At the moment fans turn up after every game to clean the stadium and grounds. They do the best they can but it’s only just acceptable. Not sure if they clean the Function Rooms and boxes or they still have contract cleaners. We’re all for cutting our cloth and putting up with the club crying poverty when it comes to important things like safety rails but seems the Sovereign Suit is exempt from cut backs….. same moaners different day Thanks for your feedback. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2024 16:36:00 GMT 1
Stop belittling respect posters just because they dare speak out. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what the rank and file feel, the Chairman will decide what he thinks is best and sod everyone else. yeah you win, feel free carrying on mocking the club for trying to sell up who am I so speak out against them, im just rank and file "mocking the club" Note: your words not mine. I doubt very much that a new carpet is going to be the deal breaker when it comes to selling the club, I would be bloody concerned if it was. |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 4, 2024 16:38:27 GMT 1
same moaners different day Thanks for your feedback. well you made it sound like there are hand rails in the sov suite , there aren't , in fact its even harder to access than the rest of the ground, you need to go up steps as well as down at one access point |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 4, 2024 16:47:15 GMT 1
yeah you win, feel free carrying on mocking the club for trying to sell up who am I so speak out against them, im just rank and file "mocking the club" Note: your words not mine. I doubt very much that a new carpet is going to be the deal breaker when it comes to selling the club, I would be bloody concerned if it was. your post was cynical, sarcastic and very critical to say the least to me since I spoke to the chairman in April im even more convinced now than I was then that he is pulling out all the stops to achieve a sale to someone who can take the club forward not really sure what more a genuine fan can ask or want |
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 4, 2024 16:58:35 GMT 1
Thanks for your feedback. well you made it sound like there are hand rails in the sov suite , there aren't , in fact its even harder to access than the rest of the ground, you need to go up steps as well as down at one access point no mention of hand rails in the Soverign suit not needed there’s a lift so I presume you can access the seats via the ‘lounge’ 👍 |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 4, 2024 17:10:34 GMT 1
well you made it sound like there are hand rails in the sov suite , there aren't , in fact its even harder to access than the rest of the ground, you need to go up steps as well as down at one access point no mention of hand rails in the Soverign suit not needed there’s a lift so I presume you can access the seats via the ‘lounge’ 👍 I was on about from the lounge, its a bottleneck with steps up and down |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2024 17:50:21 GMT 1
"mocking the club" Note: your words not mine. I doubt very much that a new carpet is going to be the deal breaker when it comes to selling the club, I would be bloody concerned if it was. your post was cynical, sarcastic and very critical to say the least to me since I spoke to the chairman in April im even more convinced now than I was then that he is pulling out all the stops to achieve a sale to someone who can take the club forward not really sure what more a genuine fan can ask or want I see. But of course, a genuine fan is not allowed to voice concerns, ah well, go to the back of the line you "cynical, sarcastic and very critical poster you".... If any other posters think that I'm out of line in my comments then please say so and I shall cease forthwith. |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 4, 2024 18:13:48 GMT 1
your post was cynical, sarcastic and very critical to say the least to me since I spoke to the chairman in April im even more convinced now than I was then that he is pulling out all the stops to achieve a sale to someone who can take the club forward not really sure what more a genuine fan can ask or want I see. But of course, a genuine fan is not allowed to voice concerns, ah well, go to the back of the line you "cynical, sarcastic and very critical poster you".... If any other posters think that I'm out of line in my comments then please say so and I shall cease forthwith. The tone of this statement feels somewhat ironic and self-assured. The phrasing suggests a feigned openness to criticism while implying that the speaker is confident they will only receive supportive comments. The use of "I shall cease forthwith" adds a dramatic flair, which can come across as playful or even dismissive of any potential dissent. Overall, it conveys a sense of bravado mixed with a touch of insincerity, indicating that the speaker is more interested in reinforcing their position than genuinely inviting critique. thanks google, I thought the same ;-) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2024 19:03:46 GMT 1
I feel like the new carpet is going to take its place in blue and amber history, alongside the three little girls and suchlike. It’s nice to have been able to have a chuckle in such dire times.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 4, 2024 19:10:39 GMT 1
I feel like the new carpet is going to take its place in blue and amber history, alongside the three little girls and suchlike. It’s nice to have been able to have a chuckle in such dire times. Imagine how hilarious it will be if the new owner strips all our assets and the carpet remains our most valuable item I've just done a search and discovered the 2 little boys are obsessed with the 3 little girls, you wont believe how many times they have mentioned them jeez let it go time for the anchor on this revenge thread |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2024 19:23:33 GMT 1
The best thing for the club and its future has to be a sale. No-one knows if the next owner is going be 100% committed to the club or whether its just going to be a plaything. No-one knows if they are going to invest or asset strip. It's a chance every club takes when new owners come in.
Wycherley had run the club reasonably well for the best part of 25 years, but then for some reason it started to fall apart, even when we dropped out the league on his watch he wasn't getting too much flak. However there have always been questions about the way he ran the club by his rules and his rules alone, but when we were having the odd good season it was pushed to the back of peoples minds, but those concerns have been there for at least the 17 years that I've been on B&A. It is only in the last few years that these concerns have really come to fore. The club is still run on his rules, the sale if it ever happens will be on his terms if at all possible. Will he still want a seat on the board as suggestions in previous years have alluded to? Is it a buyers or a sellers market? Will he be able to sell at his desired price point? Will he be able to dictate the terms of the sale?
He could have sold the club or at least made the world aware that he was interested in selling years ago and left with a legacy to be proud of. I don't think anyone actually hates the guy, but many dislike him and that legacy is now in tatters. The only reminder of him in 10 years time will be Pilch droning on about how much better life was under his leadership than the new owners (and he could well be right) and a stand with his name on it (assuming that it isn't sponsored by the new owners company).
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Post by Pilch on Oct 4, 2024 19:39:01 GMT 1
The best thing for the club and its future has to be a sale. No-one knows if the next owner is going be 100% committed to the club or whether its just going to be a plaything. No-one knows if they are going to invest or asset strip. It's a chance every club takes when new owners come in.
Wycherley had run the club reasonably well for the best part of 25 years, but then for some reason it started to fall apart, even when we dropped out the league on his watch he wasn't getting too much flak. However there have always been questions about the way he ran the club by his rules and his rules alone, but when we were having the odd good season it was pushed to the back of peoples minds, but those concerns have been there for at least the 17 years that I've been on B&A. It is only in the last few years that these concerns have really come to fore. The club is still run on his rules, the sale if it ever happens will be on his terms if at all possible. Will he still want a seat on the board as suggestions in previous years have alluded to? Is it a buyers or a sellers market? Will he be able to sell at his desired price point? Will he be able to dictate the terms of the sale?
He could have sold the club or at least made the world aware that he was interested in selling years ago and left with a legacy to be proud of. I don't think anyone actually hates the guy, but many dislike him and that legacy is now in tatters. The only reminder of him in 10 years time will be Pilch droning on about how much better life was under his leadership than the new owners (and he could well be right) and a stand with his name on it (assuming that it isn't sponsored by the new owners company).
other droning ons are available, here are a possible few 1. he may be 92, but its our 10th year running in league 2, not bad considering the money about these days, and we did make the play offs once 2. This is the 4th different division we have played Burton in now, and the lowest 3. I see the carpet is now our biggest assett 4. I told you the yank take over was a load of b******s 5. hard to believe Tom bloxham is still only 29, he still has a few weeks to bag his 100th town goal before he's 30 6. are you still going on about 3 little girls ? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2024 20:41:01 GMT 1
The response seems to be ‘club is for sale so your moans are all futile and won’t change anything’.
Which is all well and good and probably true, however I’d like to think a messageboard can be used to debate, critique and sometimes even just to vent about the terrible predicament we find ourself in.
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Post by dibblydobbly on Oct 4, 2024 20:41:42 GMT 1
I feel like the new carpet is going to take its place in blue and amber history, alongside the three little girls and suchlike. It’s nice to have been able to have a chuckle in such dire times. Apologies for the delay in coming back to this- I have been busy The refresh in the Sovereign will enable the club to sell the space for more corporate and personal events, and should pay for itself in the short term as a result, and lead to increased revenue to support the playing budget Carpet was gone, club had complaints - new one is excellent |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2024 20:44:16 GMT 1
I feel like the new carpet is going to take its place in blue and amber history, alongside the three little girls and suchlike. It’s nice to have been able to have a chuckle in such dire times. Apologies for the delay in coming back to this- I have been busy The refresh in the Sovereign will enable the club to sell the space for more corporate and personal events, and should pay for itself in the short term as a result, and lead to increased revenue to support the playing budget Carpet was gone, club had complaints - new one is excellent No issues with the new carpet - the least that any respectable business should be doing is looking presentable. Hope it extends to continued upkeep of the stadium as a whole 👍 My comment was more about the life that this carpet has taken on the message board as opposed to the actual carpet itself. |
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Post by mattmw on Oct 4, 2024 20:45:00 GMT 1
The best thing for the club and its future has to be a sale. No-one knows if the next owner is going be 100% committed to the club or whether its just going to be a plaything. No-one knows if they are going to invest or asset strip. It's a chance every club takes when new owners come in.
Wycherley had run the club reasonably well for the best part of 25 years, but then for some reason it started to fall apart, even when we dropped out the league on his watch he wasn't getting too much flak. However there have always been questions about the way he ran the club by his rules and his rules alone, but when we were having the odd good season it was pushed to the back of peoples minds, but those concerns have been there for at least the 17 years that I've been on B&A. It is only in the last few years that these concerns have really come to fore. The club is still run on his rules, the sale if it ever happens will be on his terms if at all possible. Will he still want a seat on the board as suggestions in previous years have alluded to? Is it a buyers or a sellers market? Will he be able to sell at his desired price point? Will he be able to dictate the terms of the sale?
He could have sold the club or at least made the world aware that he was interested in selling years ago and left with a legacy to be proud of. I don't think anyone actually hates the guy, but many dislike him and that legacy is now in tatters. The only reminder of him in 10 years time will be Pilch droning on about how much better life was under his leadership than the new owners (and he could well be right) and a stand with his name on it (assuming that it isn't sponsored by the new owners company).
Think the thing I’ve struggled to understand over the last ten years is why the relationship between the club and established businesses has declined, and as a result numbers of board members have declined Going back to the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s the Town board always had a good selection of local businessmen on the board and generally succession to Chairman passed on every ten years or so as the old chairman retired We seem to have lost that over the last decade despite Shropshire having a good number of successful businesses who could potentially have joined the board. None were multimillionaires but the experience, contacts and some investment they could have offered the club is a loss not to have had a wider board membership There’s probably both sides to why this hasn’t happened but what ever the cause think it’s a contributing factor to the current difficult place the club is in It now also means that there is no natural local succession to Chairman and so probably for the first time the club will be owned by someone or a consortium from outside Shropshire |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Oct 4, 2024 20:45:33 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Oct 4, 2024 20:53:41 GMT 1
that includes bar 2 months, the whole of the time cotterill was with us |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Oct 4, 2024 21:02:40 GMT 1
that includes bar 2 months, the whole of the time cotterill was with us I'm not here to defend Cotterill. I'm here pointing out that things have been bad for a while and it's no wonder fans are fed up |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 4, 2024 21:06:02 GMT 1
that includes bar 2 months, the whole of the time cotterill was with us I'm not here to defend Cotterill. I'm here pointing out that things have been bad for a while and it's no wonder fans are fed up But wasn't cotterill great * ? Those stats suggest we've been s**te for 4 years I tend to agree , and I did moan at the time *according to some |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 4, 2024 21:15:42 GMT 1
I haven’t moaned for ages but I do see a problem that needs addressing sooner rather than later. There is plenty I could moan about but I’m just too apathetic to bother at the moment! maybe if they tarted the place up a bit it might speed up a saleoh no wait forget that its just something new to moan about for the sake of moaning if I was the chairman, I would just sell to the highest bidder and sod everyone else Luckily, you aren't 😂 |
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 4, 2024 21:26:46 GMT 1
I feel like the new carpet is going to take its place in blue and amber history, alongside the three little girls and suchlike. It’s nice to have been able to have a chuckle in such dire times. Apologies for the delay in coming back to this- I have been busy The refresh in the Sovereign will enable the club to sell the space for more corporate and personal events, and should pay for itself in the short term as a result, and lead to increased revenue to support the playing budget Carpet was gone, club had complaints - new one is excellent I’m complaining about lack of safety rails. Any chance the club could provide some excellent ones?!! |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 4, 2024 21:39:17 GMT 1
Apologies for the delay in coming back to this- I have been busy The refresh in the Sovereign will enable the club to sell the space for more corporate and personal events, and should pay for itself in the short term as a result, and lead to increased revenue to support the playing budget Carpet was gone, club had complaints - new one is excellent I’m complaining about lack of safety rails. Any chance the club could provide some excellent ones?!! I asked about those last December, you got the answer, they are far too expensive, they are not a requirement either, bring it up with the new owner I say, he might have silly money to burn |
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 5, 2024 8:17:13 GMT 1
I’m complaining about lack of safety rails. Any chance the club could provide some excellent ones?!! I asked about those last December, you got the answer, they are far too expensive, they are not a requirement either, bring it up with the new owner I say, he might have silly money to burn Was that the clubs official stance? Seem to remember it was left that the stadium manager was looking further into other options especially a bannister down the end wall of block 1. Similar to the one in block 19. |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 5, 2024 8:56:08 GMT 1
I asked about those last December, you got the answer, they are far too expensive, they are not a requirement either, bring it up with the new owner I say, he might have silly money to burn Was that the clubs official stance? Seem to remember it was left that the stadium manager was looking further into other options especially a bannister down the end wall of block 1. Similar to the one in block 19. Crazy expensive basically And as I mentioned , would they block many views from fans sat down , do other grounds have these ? |
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 5, 2024 9:24:43 GMT 1
Was that the clubs official stance? Seem to remember it was left that the stadium manager was looking further into other options especially a bannister down the end wall of block 1. Similar to the one in block 19. Crazy expensive basically And as I mentioned , would they block many views from fans sat down , do other grounds have these ? Yes, we’ve got them on the first 4/5 rows, noticed that Mansfield have a post at waist height out the end of every row to hold on, haven’t checked every club, it’s something you don’t think about until your getting old. Perhaps they need to get Roland to stand at the top of the stand and walk down the steps to the bottom without anything to hold on to. He’d struggle. If your reading this Rolly, give it a go. The bannister down end of Block 1 was a cheaper compromise suggested that’s being looked into, slowly. Believe the OSC have been asked to fund it but I’ll check 👍 In all seriousness it’s an accident waiting to happen and the club have been warned by the supporters… You probably heard the unofficial club response, the official one was we’ll look into it again. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 5, 2024 9:52:16 GMT 1
Apologies for the delay in coming back to this- I have been busy The refresh in the Sovereign will enable the club to sell the space for more corporate and personal events, and should pay for itself in the short term as a result, and lead to increased revenue to support the playing budget Carpet was gone, club had complaints - new one is excellent I’m complaining about lack of safety rails. Any chance the club could provide some excellent ones?!! What do other clubs do? Dp any of them get in so many fans there's no where to fall? Do other clubs attract a lower age profile? Are other clubs providing better entertainment and thus bringing in the next generation of fans who then help their older relatives to and from their seats? There's loads of rules about stadiums, our ground is meeting what TNS require for European football, don't the governing bodies care about older fans safely traversing to and from their seats? Would imagine some of those on the governing bodies are of the " doddery" persuasion, perhaps they should try stadium steps?
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 5, 2024 10:23:35 GMT 1
Indeed. We know from Exkeeper how much safer he felt at the away club that had handrails.
It’s not as if we are asking for the fancy square things that, for some unknown reason are on the bottom row seats and not at the top. All we want is a long rail down the wall at the each end of each stand that people can walk to and have that feeling of security. As you say many fans are elderly and even the younger ones will be elderly one day. To answer your question it would seem that the club aren’t interested in their older fans at all.
To sum up, if the club are more interested in pretty surroundings in the Sovereign Lounge that may, or may not, add a little something to the value, rather than the safety of people, then we are in a very sorry state. I would have thought the safety officer would have been insisting on these rails in the interests of safety.
I’m not saying don’t get a new carpet just that, yet again, the club seem to have its priorities all wrong with regard to the majority of its customers.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 5, 2024 10:57:16 GMT 1
Based upon views expressed in the past, there do seem to be some who are concerned about ensuring the elderley get to and from their seats, but comfortable with them being in danger from stray flares let off by fans of pyrotechnics.
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