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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2024 12:28:31 GMT 1
I don’t get it, I really really don’t. We all love Shrewsbury Town, and pay money to support/watch them. For years we’ve barely scored goals, and we are currently 7 losses from 9 and our once sustainably run club is losing money at a rate it never has before. Why would people not use a messageboard to moan about it, when genuinely disappointed/worried? It is surely the whole point. I think this is the attitude that baffles me too. We are struggling on and off the field yet some of our fans seemingly don't think we should be discussing it on the sole messageboard for it's fans. If you are bored by the conversation then simply ignore it, if you disagree with the conversation then put your argument forward. But the whole 'let's not discuss it, it's not helping, let's wait and see' probably p**ses me off more than the actual position the club finds itself in |
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Post by zenfootball on Oct 2, 2024 12:37:00 GMT 1
without sounding condescending, maybe dropping down to L2 would be a good thing in the short term? Whether that affects any potential takeover is another matter i understand the point you are making and it mifgt be. my concern about dropping down to league two is unless things change we could drop out of that league as well |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2024 12:38:53 GMT 1
In the 35 (ish) years of supporting the club Ive seen plenty of low moment's and whilst this certainly isn't the the worse, its probably the most apathy Ive felt and never felt so disconnected from the club. A friend of mine is away for a bit so offered me his season ticket for the next 4 games. I went Saturday and it was ok, nothing more than that. I live about a mile from the ground and had a free ticket but still couldn't be bothered to go last night, judging by the crowd I was amongst plenty who made the same decision. I probably wont bother with Exeter at home and then Im away for Barnsley, the next home game Im likely to go to is Brum at the end of November. That will be approx 2 months without a match and sadly my feeling is relief. When I gave up my season ticket this season it was partially personal circumstances but also frustrations with last season, however I said it would be a one off and Id be back next season. However when season tickets go on sale, if we find ourselves with the same chairman and generally in the same position as we are today then I cant see me coming back next year. I take no pleasure in that. This! Looked at going, 50 pounds for me and the wife. Didn't bother. Glad I didn't. |
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Post by gtismygod on Oct 2, 2024 12:42:34 GMT 1
My missus was away last weekend, but instead of walking twenty minutes to the ground, I sat on the sofa by myself all afternoon and watched Soccer Saturday. That’s how depressing it all is.
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Post by talkingoftheshrews on Oct 2, 2024 12:43:37 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58929929Just stumbled onto this article, nearly 3 years ago a change of ownership was being discussed. I know it goes back further, being mentioned in accounts 10 years back. To my eyes, this is one of the root causes of frustration with the club. Forget your opinions on how RW has run the club, we've been in a static place for years. On the pitch we've consistently played bad, low scoring, defensive football, surviving in league one by clinging on and being the 6th worst team. Off the pitch, there's been a clear desire to change ownership, and it's just never come to fruition for various reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if we went back to threads on here about Askey and Ricketts, late era Mellon etc where the same things were being said.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 2, 2024 12:47:59 GMT 1
but you know how certain people work, they have to moan about something after every game, if we lose they cant wait to moan, This is not people 'moaning' after a game because we've lost that game, this is people 'moaning' because we've lost 7 out of 9 and won 1 out of the last 16. And on that note, you've recently been taking digs at fans for seemingly accepting defeats and suggesting they would be more critical if it was under another manager (e.g. Taylor or Ricketts) . And then yet if fans offer criticism you accuse them of moaning and then bizarrely being part of cancel culture. well since hurst left our fans seem to instantly decide who they will blame if it doesnt work with Askey, he needed to go after not getting on his knees and doing the 'your not worthy gesture' to the fans  Rickets needed to go win lose of draw especially with the unforgivable 1 win in 9 and once being a tiny bit spiky with Dunny, there were actually calls for him to go after less than a month Cotterill, nothing was ever his fault, 1 win in 10, clearly the chairmans fault for not giving him a bigger budget ( and yet he had the bigger budget all along ) poked Dunny in the eye most weeks , abused the women and young players, and cost the club hundreds of thousands in selfishness and corruption Taylor, dead man walking before arriving, did enough to keep us up despite the worst injury crisis and most unbalanced budget ever Hurst, clearly I win in 16 is not the fault of the manager, not one chant against him, must be the chairmans fault the old saying in football about there is no consistency , there certainly isn't any with our fickle fans as for you deciding not to abuse the system and use someone else's ticket well thats just a sign go the times such is the price system its better value to buy a season ticket and miss a few games than it is pay each week, combine this with sky and other channels showing games galore which is killing lower league football including our club, buy hey lets blame the chairman for that too, average attendances for town have crept up and up for the past 28 years buy hey bottom line the club is for sale hes trying to sell it and still paying the bills what more do you want at the moment ? it sounds like you want someone to pick you up and pay you to come and watch |
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Post by talkingoftheshrews on Oct 2, 2024 12:48:29 GMT 1
without sounding condescending, maybe dropping down to L2 would be a good thing in the short term? Whether that affects any potential takeover is another matter i understand the point you are making and it mifgt be. my concern about dropping down to league two is unless things change we could drop out of that league as well I think it depends on the off-pitch matters. If we get sold in February, and the new ownership has time to bed in, change things and get us ready for league two, I don't think it'd be terrible. We could probably build momentum out of it being "a new era", with new sponsors. And if we had a good squad put together, and revised ticket pricing, we'd probably pick up momentum and community engagement by just winning matches again. If we go down and we still haven't been sold, I do think we'd be at a real risk of the double dip. Because we would have no momentum on the pitch, and we'd be plummeting off it. Attendances would crash for one |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 2, 2024 12:54:31 GMT 1
i understand the point you are making and it mifgt be. my concern about dropping down to league two is unless things change we could drop out of that league as well I think it depends on the off-pitch matters. If we get sold in February, and the new ownership has time to bed in, change things and get us ready for league two, I don't think it'd be terrible. We could probably build momentum out of it being "a new era", with new sponsors. And if we had a good squad put together, and revised ticket pricing, we'd probably pick up momentum and community engagement by just winning matches again. If we go down and we still haven't been sold, I do think we'd be at a real risk of the double dip. Because we would have no momentum on the pitch, and we'd be plummeting off it. Attendances would crash for one new era a good squad cheaper tickets new sponsors and pick up momentum just by winning matches how realistic do you think they are of happening ? |
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 2, 2024 12:58:42 GMT 1
Well we’re being told that a few threads on here convinced him to get Hurst back… so who knows!! And no, we don’t have to accept anything. I won’t accept this. Paid another £400 to the club this year for what? “Accepting” amateurish s**te off the pitch and total rubbish on it? For too long people at this club get a free ride. Look at the mess it’s left us in. No more What's the alternative? We are already for sale, the transfer window is closed and we can't afford to sack hurst and replace him. We were told we were seeking investment 10 years ago (2014 Accounts). We've had nothing. Sorry if I don't trust a word that is said after 10 years of false promises, that have left us in this s**t heap |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 2, 2024 13:01:41 GMT 1
What's the alternative? We are already for sale, the transfer window is closed and we can't afford to sack hurst and replace him. We were told we were seeking investment 10 years ago (2014 Accounts). We've had nothing. Sorry if I don't trust a word that is said after 10 years of false promises, that have left us in this s**t heap what promises are you on about ? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2024 13:02:26 GMT 1
what more do you want at the moment ? Regarding whether managers are treated differently by fans, we've had several conversations over the years and I think it's fair to say we will never agree. I think managers have been given backing at the beginning because fans want them to do well as that means STFC do well. Unfortuntely there's always a minority who are against the manager because they don't like the manager As for what I want, well I'd like the bare minimum which is a team which is organised, fitness and showing some sort of cohesion. Off the field I'd like a chairman to show the fanbase some respect by engaging with us but I'm not holding my breath on that one |
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 2, 2024 13:04:14 GMT 1
We were told we were seeking investment 10 years ago (2014 Accounts).We've had nothing. Sorry if I don't trust a word that is said after 10 years of false promises, that have left us in this s**t heap what promises are you on about ? 10 years and nothing, if that's not a false promise it's an outright lie |
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Post by filmcrewshrew1 on Oct 2, 2024 13:14:10 GMT 1
For anyone still very much in the ‘don’t panic’ category, a sobering statistic.
Our worst start in the league since we entered in 1952 is 7 points from 10 games. That’s 2nd, 3rd or 4th tier.
Unless we win Saturday, that stat will be broken in an embarrassing way. Another loss would be 0.4 points a game which would, consistently, would give us season finish of 18 points, which would be a league record low.
That would be beyond awful for any manager or ownership
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Post by Pilch on Oct 2, 2024 13:17:43 GMT 1
what promises are you on about ? 10 years and nothing, if that's not a false promise it's an outright lie |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 2, 2024 13:21:52 GMT 1
what more do you want at the moment ? Regarding whether managers are treated differently by fans, we've had several conversations over the years and I think it's fair to say we will never agree. I think managers have been given backing at the beginning because fans want them to do well as that means STFC do well. Unfortuntely there's always a minority who are against the manager because they don't like the manager As for what I want, well I'd like the bare minimum which is a team which is organised, fitness and showing some sort of cohesion. Off the field I'd like a chairman to show the fanbase some respect by engaging with us but I'm not holding my breath on that one well at the moment from what I can see we have a squad more than capable of achieving a satisfactory league position, however they seem to all have a major fitness problem which starts showing almost the instant the 2nd half kicks off, maybe thats the chairmans fault ? |
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Post by talkingoftheshrews on Oct 2, 2024 13:23:30 GMT 1
We were told we were seeking investment 10 years ago (2014 Accounts). We've had nothing. Sorry if I don't trust a word that is said after 10 years of false promises, that have left us in this s**t heap what promises are you on about ? Companies House - Full accounts made up to 30 June 2014, Chairman's Report. "The Board fully share the expectations of our supporters in aspiring to become a Championship club, and we believe with the changes we have made, will see us begin to realise our full potential and develop and maximise our revenue streams. Bringing further financial resources to the club remains a priority and we are actively seeking investments from outside the club" - Roland Wycherley, 17th December 2014. That's the statement which people now refer to |
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Post by dibblydobbly on Oct 2, 2024 13:28:17 GMT 1
but you know how certain people work, they have to moan about something after every game, if we lose they cant wait to moan, This is not people 'moaning' after a game because we've lost that game, this is people 'moaning' because we've lost 7 out of 9 and won 1 out of the last 16. And on that note, you've recently been taking digs at fans for seemingly accepting defeats and suggesting they would be more critical if it was under another manager (e.g. Taylor or Ricketts) . And then yet if fans offer criticism you accuse them of moaning and then bizarrely being part of cancel culture. I have no issue with moans, the playing side of the club is no doubt used to it, it was picking on hard working employees that I object to most, none of the non-playing side can do anything about results, they work really hard and are also disappointed with loss. Any positive suggestions for improvements off the field, just say - I am sure I can bend Liam's ear, next time I see him. Anyway - onwards for Saturday, let's hope for a good one. |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 2, 2024 13:30:42 GMT 1
what promises are you on about ? Companies House - Full accounts made up to 30 June 2014, Chairman's Report. "The Board fully share the expectations of our supporters in aspiring to become a Championship club, and we believe with the changes we have made, will see us begin to realise our full potential and develop and maximise our revenue streams. Bringing further financial resources to the club remains a priority and we are actively seeking investments from outside the club" - Roland Wycherley, 17th December 2014. That's the statement which people now refer to tell us something we dont know despite us seeking investment , there has been none I mean who are we moaning at for not having a guy turn up with a wheelbarrow full of cash to hand over ? I've been seeking a lottery win for 30 years, must me my fault as ive won won the jackpot yet |
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Post by wakemanender on Oct 2, 2024 13:37:46 GMT 1
Rolands only mistake was putting his complete trust in Caldwell and Cotterill. They let him and the club down with their financial dealings. We are now paying the price. If not for Roland we wouldn't have a club. He is a Shrewsbury town legend.
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Oct 2, 2024 14:16:54 GMT 1
On a really positive note there is some lovely merch in the club shop.👍
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 2, 2024 14:25:02 GMT 1
Companies House - Full accounts made up to 30 June 2014, Chairman's Report. "The Board fully share the expectations of our supporters in aspiring to become a Championship club, and we believe with the changes we have made, will see us begin to realise our full potential and develop and maximise our revenue streams. Bringing further financial resources to the club remains a priority and we are actively seeking investments from outside the club" - Roland Wycherley, 17th December 2014. That's the statement which people now refer to tell us something we dont know despite us seeking investment , there has been none I mean who are we moaning at for not having a guy turn up with a wheelbarrow full of cash to hand over ? I've been seeking a lottery win for 30 years, must me my fault as ive won won the jackpot yet Have you had a winning ticket but ripped it up because the jackpot wasn't big enough for you? That's what it looks like we've done with Delves/Passant. You can't say you actively seek investment but burn bridges with anyone with decent money and an interest in investing. |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 2, 2024 14:32:39 GMT 1
tell us something we dont know despite us seeking investment , there has been none I mean who are we moaning at for not having a guy turn up with a wheelbarrow full of cash to hand over ? I've been seeking a lottery win for 30 years, must me my fault as ive won won the jackpot yet Have you had a winning ticket but ripped it up because the jackpot wasn't big enough for you? That's what it looks like we've done with Delves/Passant. You can't say you actively seek investment but burn bridges with anyone with decent money and an interest in investing. strange ? Delves shook hands on a deal but then realised he didnt have the funds he's agreed to pay , that why he got the nordics involved to help him but he couldn't sort out a deal with them either as for Passant and his leveraged buy out attempt, anyone could have tried that |
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 2, 2024 15:13:22 GMT 1
This is not people 'moaning' after a game because we've lost that game, this is people 'moaning' because we've lost 7 out of 9 and won 1 out of the last 16. And on that note, you've recently been taking digs at fans for seemingly accepting defeats and suggesting they would be more critical if it was under another manager (e.g. Taylor or Ricketts) . And then yet if fans offer criticism you accuse them of moaning and then bizarrely being part of cancel culture. I have no issue with moans, the playing side of the club is no doubt used to it, it was picking on hard working employees that I object to most, none of the non-playing side can do anything about results, they work really hard and are also disappointed with loss. Any positive suggestions for improvements off the field, just say - I am sure I can bend Liam's ear, next time I see him. Anyway - onwards for Saturday, let's hope for a good one. Handrails at each end of every stand to assist exiting via very steep steps. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2024 15:43:30 GMT 1
without sounding condescending, maybe dropping down to L2 would be a good thing in the short term? Whether that affects any potential takeover is another matter i understand the point you are making and it mifgt be. my concern about dropping down to league two is unless things change we could drop out of that league as well Be careful what you wish for. We've worked damn hard to retain our league one place over the last 10 seasons, I don't like the idea of just submitting to relegation, even if the inevitable does happen. If we do go down then let's go down fighting. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2024 15:59:09 GMT 1
Couple of points:
1. The notion that Roland brought back Hurst because that's what the fans wanted. That's tosh and we all know it. Was there a clamour from the supporters for Hurst to return? If there was then I missed it. My view is that Roland wanted Hurst back in the hope that lightening could in fact strike twice, a management appointment decision that was his and his alone.
2. Burton, Wrexham, Forest Green...whoever. I couldn't care a stuff whether or not their ownership is successful or not. Only one club means anything to me and that is Shrewsbury Town FC. (That's why the Burton ownership thread is of no interest to me).
3. I've followed the club for 50 odd years, witnessed the ups and the downs but that's all history, it's about the here and now. We are a proud club, I don't enjoy what I'm seeing or reading about the club at the moment and it pains me to see the apathy that is setting in within the fan base. I'm trying to remain optimistic about the future but in the meantime this is not a happy time to be a Town fan.
4. We've worked damn hard to retain our league one place over the last 10 seasons, I don't like the idea of just submitting to relegation, even if the inevitable does happen. If we do go down then let's go down fighting.
5. We've dropped down to league 2 before and come back up, but that was then and unless things change at the club ownership/investment wise we could just as easily face a similar struggle in the league below.
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Post by Exkeeper on Oct 2, 2024 16:07:16 GMT 1
Hurst out seems to be gaining momentum and his stubborness regarding picking favourites, freezing out others and sticking rigidly to a system that doesn’t suit the players (a sole striker that would probably have to look up to a Shetland pony), for a start. BUT (there is always a “but”) if we can’t afford to pay off him and Doig, we are stuck with then.
There is an alternative which may well appeal to our Chairman and that is to appoint from within - step forward Mr Moore. So, I say, be careful what you wish for!
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Post by Pilch on Oct 2, 2024 16:18:15 GMT 1
Hurst out seems to be gaining momentum and his stubborness regarding picking favourites, freezing out others and sticking rigidly to a system that doesn’t suit the players (a sole striker that would probably have to look up to a Shetland pony), for a start. BUT (there is always a “but”) if we can’t afford to pay off him and Doig, we are stuck with then. There is an alternative which may well appeal to our Chairman and that is to appoint from within - step forward Mr Moore. So, I say, be careful what you wish for! usually 1 win in 16 has even the most placid of fans in strait jackets gaining momentum ? its moving about as quick as Africa does  |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 2, 2024 16:20:26 GMT 1
Was there a clamour from the supporters for Hurst to return? If there was then I missed it. you must have missed it, we got fed up of new threads asking for hurst back so started deleted them , load still survive if you look if was a regular feature whenever the likes of ricketts could only draw a game |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2024 16:30:23 GMT 1
Couple of points: 1. The notion that Roland brought back Hurst because that's what the fans wanted. That's tosh and we all know it. Was there a clamour from the supporters for Hurst to return? If there was then I missed it. My view is that Roland wanted Hurst back in the hope that lightening could in fact strike twice, a management appointment decision that was his and his alone. 2. Burton, Wrexham, Forest Green...whoever. I couldn't care a stuff whether or not their ownership is successful or not. Only one club means anything to me and that is Shrewsbury Town FC. (That's why the Burton ownership thread is of no interest to me). 3. I've followed the club for 50 odd years, witnessed the ups and the downs but that's all history, it's about the here and now. We are a proud club, I don't enjoy what I'm seeing or reading about the club at the moment and it pains me to see the apathy that is setting in within the fan base. I'm trying to remain optimistic about the future but in the meantime this is not a happy time to be a Town fan. 4. We've worked damn hard to retain our league one place over the last 10 seasons, I don't like the idea of just submitting to relegation, even if the inevitable does happen. If we do go down then let's go down fighting. Very well said, particularly that last point. |
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 2, 2024 16:36:35 GMT 1
I have no issue with moans, the playing side of the club is no doubt used to it, it was picking on hard working employees that I object to most, none of the non-playing side can do anything about results, they work really hard and are also disappointed with loss. Any positive suggestions for improvements off the field, just say - I am sure I can bend Liam's ear, next time I see him. Anyway - onwards for Saturday, let's hope for a good one. Handrails at each end of every stand to assist exiting via very steep steps. Perhaps more important than Carpet? This has been bought up and the chief safety officer / stadium managers / club are aware but no solution due to cost 😔 |
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