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Post by ProudSalopian on Oct 2, 2024 16:43:51 GMT 1
well at the moment from what I can see we have a squad more than capable of achieving a satisfactory league position, however they seem to all have a major fitness problem which starts showing almost the instant the 2nd half kicks off, maybe thats the chairmans fault ? Will have to disagree that we have a squad capable of a satisfactory league finish. I agree that Roland can't be held responsible for the fitness issues, but he is responsible for appointing the manager who is struggling to get the team performing in the second half. |
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Oct 2, 2024 17:04:10 GMT 1
Since the summer of 2018 we have had new low, after new low, after new low...Askey shocking. Rickettsball. Cotterill overspent and anti-football. Taylor shocking. Hurst mk2...shocking record so far. Surely this downward slope, of 6 long years so far, has to start turning upward. Whether the answer is L2 or a change at the top or whatever. I'm at the stage now where I don't want us to stay up. Because next year it will be the same again. We have scraped so many times to stay in this league, we don't belong here. L2 is our level. Prove me wrong Town. Think that contrast between the 2007 - 2018 period and 2018 to now is a very stark one. The move to the new ground did herald a big improvement in the clubs fortunes with promotions and relegations and play off finals and a general feeling progress was being made Since 2018 it’s really been a steady decline in managerial appointments and gradually the quality and style of play has got worse each year, with the board also shrinking and gap between us and the divisions big spenders getting bigger and bigger. Still think that play off loss and subsequent loss of players and Hurst to Ipswich really knocked the stuffing out of the club and we’ve never quite recovered since Sort of resigned to League 2 already but do also have the nagging feeling that will be no easy option either. Especially if no new finance and working practices come in too. That 2007 to 2018 period might just be as good as it gets for Town for a long while yet Think there's two really good points in here. The first is the change in the landscape between 2018 and now - while it's been well-acknowledged what a fantastic job Hurst did in his first spell here, and even at the time it felt like a lightening in a bottle moment that wouldn't be sustainable, it was much more possible for that sort of thing to happen. In the years around 2017-18, teams like Fleetwood, Sc***horpe, Southend, Doncaster and Walsall were finishing in or just outside the play-offs with Burton getting automatic. Our success then was remarkable, and we were unlucky to finish behind two financially doped rivals for automatic, but the point was at that time it was possible. I'm not sure it even would be now - a combination of more historically well-supported teams, teams having increased budgets from time in the Championship, teams with increased budgets post-takeover and of course well-funded teams from divisions below that we're well acquainted with by now. Even if we'd done a better job of assembling the squad, or performances were better I'm not really sure what our realistic ceiling would be - 18th? It's pretty depressing that even the squad in Cotterill's final season that we allegedly couldn't afford only got us to 12th. For all this squad looks pretty awful, I feel like as recently as three or four years ago it would have been able to scrape its way to a boring but relatively comfortable survival like other crap squads we've had under Turner, Mellon, Ricketts and Cotterill managed. The league's completely changed, and while I don't think Roland's blameless for the mess we're in it's not his fault how quickly that's happened, he's just been left behind. I also completely agree with us never quite recovering from the departure of Hurst and the breakup of the squad. I called it pretty soon after Askey's sacking, and it's felt like there's always been this almost culture-war climate amongst a lot of the supporters online and in the stands ever since, with the possible exception of a few months at different spells under Cotterill when we were doing alright. A series of largely poor recruitment on and off the pitch certainly hasn't helped that, and has led to the pretty massive moonshot of bringing Hurst back which after an initial boost hasn't really worked. All pretty depressing. |
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Post by shrewswolf on Oct 2, 2024 18:37:32 GMT 1
Yep, agree with the above. The division is fast becoming like the leagues above it, distorted by money. That’s absolutely fine if you’re one of the 10-15 who have A) huge gate receipts or B) the backing of a chairman who covers significant losses and ‘gambles’. It’s not going to be pretty for the ones who don’t.
That’s why the league has outgrown Roland. It just has, sadly.
You either try and ‘join them’ or drop down the league(s) trying to do it the sensible way. It’s less and less likely to work.
We all thought we’d be last man standing as the overspending clubs (now 90% of the division) went bust. Contrary to the scare stories (some of which are fair) unfortunately for us, most clubs survive. Look at Reading. I wouldn’t want to be them, no way, but they’ll still comfortably beat us in league placings this season. Just like Wigan…
Plus, we’re losing money anyway, so it’s all been a waste of time. Football is leaving us behind, rightly or wrongly.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 2, 2024 19:02:40 GMT 1
Think that contrast between the 2007 - 2018 period and 2018 to now is a very stark one. The move to the new ground did herald a big improvement in the clubs fortunes with promotions and relegations and play off finals and a general feeling progress was being made Since 2018 it’s really been a steady decline in managerial appointments and gradually the quality and style of play has got worse each year, with the board also shrinking and gap between us and the divisions big spenders getting bigger and bigger. Still think that play off loss and subsequent loss of players and Hurst to Ipswich really knocked the stuffing out of the club and we’ve never quite recovered since Sort of resigned to League 2 already but do also have the nagging feeling that will be no easy option either. Especially if no new finance and working practices come in too. That 2007 to 2018 period might just be as good as it gets for Town for a long while yet Think there's two really good points in here. The first is the change in the landscape between 2018 and now - while it's been well-acknowledged what a fantastic job Hurst did in his first spell here, and even at the time it felt like a lightening in a bottle moment that wouldn't be sustainable, it was much more possible for that sort of thing to happen. In the years around 2017-18, teams like Fleetwood, Sc***horpe, Southend, Doncaster and Walsall were finishing in or just outside the play-offs with Burton getting automatic. Our success then was remarkable, and we were unlucky to finish behind two financially doped rivals for automatic, but the point was at that time it was possible. I'm not sure it even would be now - a combination of more historically well-supported teams, teams having increased budgets from time in the Championship, teams with increased budgets post-takeover and of course well-funded teams from divisions below that we're well acquainted with by now. Even if we'd done a better job of assembling the squad, or performances were better I'm not really sure what our realistic ceiling would be - 18th? It's pretty depressing that even the squad in Cotterill's final season that we allegedly couldn't afford only got us to 12th. For all this squad looks pretty awful, I feel like as recently as three or four years ago it would have been able to scrape its way to a boring but relatively comfortable survival like other crap squads we've had under Turner, Mellon, Ricketts and Cotterill managed. The league's completely changed, and while I don't think Roland's blameless for the mess we're in it's not his fault how quickly that's happened, he's just been left behind. I also completely agree with us never quite recovering from the departure of Hurst and the breakup of the squad. I called it pretty soon after Askey's sacking, and it's felt like there's always been this almost culture-war climate amongst a lot of the supporters online and in the stands ever since, with the possible exception of a few months at different spells under Cotterill when we were doing alright. A series of largely poor recruitment on and off the pitch certainly hasn't helped that, and has led to the pretty massive moonshot of bringing Hurst back which after an initial boost hasn't really worked. All pretty depressing. its amazing how many of those sides that once threatened have since fallen on hard times mostly as a result of their own misadventure, we are still suffering as a result of an employee's wilful damage |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Oct 2, 2024 21:05:25 GMT 1
Just saw a further random (and depressing) stat on Twitter, since the beginning of 22/23 season, no football league side has lost more home games than us, we are tied with QPR and Vale on 24 defeats.
So yes, people's frustrations have been built up over time and it's no wonder people are starting to stay away.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 2, 2024 21:12:29 GMT 1
Just saw a further random (and depressing) stat on Twitter, since the beginning of 22/23 season, no football league side has lost more home games than us, we are tied with QPR and Vale on 24 defeats. So yes, people's frustrations have been built up over time and it's no wonder people are starting to stay away. How times change, in their respective good times we would be proud to be tied with QPR and ok with being tied with Vale. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2024 21:16:40 GMT 1
Hurst won a lot of games in his first spell, by 1-0 margins it seems to be the case that he's now losing games by 0-1, it is fine margins yes but it will all add up at the end of the season.
I don't think its fitness, I think its belief or a lack of it that kicks in during the second half. I wonder what the table would look like if you took the half time scores, Town would have a lot more points and at least two wins against Rotherham and Mansfield.
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 2, 2024 22:03:10 GMT 1
Handrails at each end of every stand to assist exiting via very steep steps. Perhaps more important than Carpet? This has been bought up and the chief safety officer / stadium managers / club are aware but no solution due to cost 😔 Definitely more important. |
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Post by SamHarvey on Oct 2, 2024 23:20:31 GMT 1
Yep, agree with the above. The division is fast becoming like the leagues above it, distorted by money. That’s absolutely fine if you’re one of the 10-15 who have A) huge gate receipts or B) the backing of a chairman who covers significant losses and ‘gambles’. It’s not going to be pretty for the ones who don’t. That’s why the league has outgrown Roland. It just has, sadly. You either try and ‘join them’ or drop down the league(s) trying to do it the sensible way. It’s less and less likely to work. We all thought we’d be last man standing as the overspending clubs (now 90% of the division) went bust. Contrary to the scare stories (some of which are fair) unfortunately for us, most clubs survive. Look at Reading. I wouldn’t want to be them, no way, but they’ll still comfortably beat us in league placings this season. Just like Wigan… Plus, we’re losing money anyway, so it’s all been a waste of time. Football is leaving us behind, rightly or wrongly. Good comment. Things have changed rapidly, particularly since covid it seems. Many rich owners showing interest in English football. Just a quick search online shows this. Barnsley owners worth: $9.1b Birmingham City: $9.76b Leyton Orient: $38m Rotherham: $180m SHREWSBURY: $17mStevenage: $90m Wrexham: $400m Wycombe: $5.8b That's just some of the ones found. Even clubs we would usually say we're a similar size to dwarf us financially. It's just how it is at the moment, unfortunately. |
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Post by MetaShrew on Oct 3, 2024 9:48:30 GMT 1
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a traditionally small, rural football club with a potentially limited fanbase of whatever size. The problem is that the football world has grown so dramatically, especially in the last two decades, that even in Leagues One and Two, many teams have the financial resources to build squads without much concern for cost. Simply being 'plucky' isn't nearly enough to stay competitive like it used to be, perhaps just five years ago.
This issue affects more than just Shrewsbury Town, but what can realistically be done now that the genie is out of the bottle with billionaire owners?
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 3, 2024 10:05:32 GMT 1
Agreed. Football has changed so much that I am literally out of its league!
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Post by zenfootball on Oct 3, 2024 11:19:35 GMT 1
i understand the point you are making and it mifgt be. my concern about dropping down to league two is unless things change we could drop out of that league as well Be careful what you wish for. We've worked damn hard to retain our league one place over the last 10 seasons, I don't like the idea of just submitting to relegation, even if the inevitable does happen. If we do go down then let's go down fighting. i really hope it does not happen but i do dread that it might. |
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Post by zenfootball on Oct 3, 2024 11:22:50 GMT 1
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a traditionally small, rural football club with a potentially limited fanbase of whatever size. The problem is that the football world has grown so dramatically, especially in the last two decades, that even in Leagues One and Two, many teams have the financial resources to build squads without much concern for cost. Simply being 'plucky' isn't nearly enough to stay competitive like it used to be, perhaps just five years ago. This issue affects more than just Shrewsbury Town, but what can realistically be done now that the genie is out of the bottle with billionaire owners? when you have a club in league 1 paying one and half million for three players, small clubs like us have to either develop the talent from our academy or find some hidden gems from the lower leagues than we can develop. unfortunately we don't seem to be doing either in enough quantity at the present time. |
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Post by Minormorris64 on Oct 3, 2024 13:12:01 GMT 1
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a traditionally small, rural football club with a potentially limited fanbase of whatever size. The problem is that the football world has grown so dramatically, especially in the last two decades, that even in Leagues One and Two, many teams have the financial resources to build squads without much concern for cost. Simply being 'plucky' isn't nearly enough to stay competitive like it used to be, perhaps just five years ago. This issue affects more than just Shrewsbury Town, but what can realistically be done now that the genie is out of the bottle with billionaire owners? when you have a club in league 1 paying one and half million for three players, small clubs like us have to either develop the talent from our academy or find some hidden gems from the lower leagues than we can develop. unfortunately we don't seem to be doing either in enough quantity at the present time. Lest we forget that other Clubs probably thought the same about Shrewsbury Town. Record Football League Transfer in January 1979 £516,000 David Mills from Middlesborough to WBA Shrewsbury Town sign John Dungworth from Aldershot for £100,000 in October 1979 |
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Post by belfastshrew on Oct 3, 2024 13:13:51 GMT 1
I wonder what the table would look like if you took the half time scores We would have 12 points |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 3, 2024 14:48:53 GMT 1
I wonder what the table would look like if you took the half time scores We would have 12 points In future, Hurst's Half Time team message: "Keep doing whatever it is you are doing, I've gone down the shops to get a few bottles of champagne in to celebrate the win".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2024 15:28:31 GMT 1
I wonder what the table would look like if you took the half time scores We would have 12 points I suspect other teams would have less, Mansfield -3 Rotherham, Charlton, Peterborough and Stevenage -1 Although they may make up other points from other games. If I get time I'll look into it, but its very retrospective. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 3, 2024 16:03:32 GMT 1
I suspect other teams would have less, Mansfield -3 Rotherham, Charlton, Peterborough and Stevenage -1 Although they may make up other points from other games. If I get time I'll look into it, but its very retrospective. I suspect by the second half teams have worked out how to beat us and a combination of they go up a gear then score. Or score we seem to have no response, no plan b, are incapable of going up a gear or have the wind taken out of our sales and just quit. |
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Post by mattmw on Oct 3, 2024 18:04:37 GMT 1
I suspect other teams would have less, Mansfield -3 Rotherham, Charlton, Peterborough and Stevenage -1 Although they may make up other points from other games. If I get time I'll look into it, but its very retrospective. I suspect by the second half teams have worked out how to beat us and a combination of they go up a gear then score. Or score we seem to have no response, no plan b, are incapable of going up a gear or have the wind taken out of our sales and just quit. Think there is also the factor that the increased ability to use more substitutes has changed the game in recent seasons. You almost get two distinct tactical phases to the game - up-to 60 minutes one set of tactics then another in the last 30 This favours the bigger wealthy sides who can bring 3-4 fresh quality players on in the last third of the match and really stretch a tiring defence. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2024 20:07:05 GMT 1
Yes it was quite menacing when Stockport brought on 4 fresh faces, it's almost half the outfield personal.
The subs were far too late from Hurst.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2024 20:26:53 GMT 1
What a depressing state of affairs.
I understand that Wycherley has been trying to bring in investment and more recently being trying to sell the club. I have to wonder why neither is happening. We have a long and proud history, we have a reasonable support base (our attendance the other night wasn't the worst in League 1, by a long way) and we own not only the ground, but the land the ground is built on. How many clubs throughout the leagues can say that? It would be great to see the ground full for every game, but that's never going to happen, even when we were in the 2nd tier we didn't sell out Gay Meadow. Unless we draw a big PL club in the 3rd round of the FA cup there will always be spaces.
The worrying thing for me is the apathy from the fans. We all love the club, most have done so for many years and we seem prepared to go out with a whimper, settle for League 2 football and with the way it's looking probably dropping down even further.
I don't have the answers and I very much doubt that anyone on here does either, but without change at the top I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel.
One thing I would say though is that if you want to sell your car it helps if it is in tiptop condition with a service history and a long MOT. Shrewsbury Town are currently in p**s poor nick, without any recent care and attention and a long list of advisories on top of the failed MOT. I don't know how much Wycherley has the club on the market for, but he ain't gonna get top dollar judging by the state that we're presently in.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Oct 3, 2024 21:16:57 GMT 1
Aparthy is absolutely the best way to describe things right now, and like many others I'm not immune to that but the sad fact is there's just no excitement, replaced by a slow and steady death rattle as any vitality drains out of a now stale club. Like others have said, and with hindsight it's obvious, but the decline as been going on steadily for the past 5-6 years. It's pretty clear this phase of the club's existence is at an end, like the ten years at Division Two level from 79-89, we're now at the tail end of what is looking increasingly like the same period at League 1 level. The effort needed to even stand still has increased dramatically, and the sense that no one really seems to care any more is getting more and more obvious by the day. None of us are glory hunters, let's face it, we're here out of loyalty and the deep grained passion ths club engenders in us. I've done 35 seasons, was at many of the infamous games, both Dagenham thrashings, the famous mullerings at Rushden, Boston, Cambridge, been to Hartlepool, Cardiff, Plymouth, Dover and all points in between. Never at any point in all that time have I felt the way I do now. Even the relegation season in 2003 after my then fiance drove me all the way to Bournemouth and I sat weeping in the stands after that defeat knowing we were almost certainly going to get relegated have I have felt quite the way I do now. It's perhaps best described as a strange sense of disconnection. I'll still watch every game, I'm still going to go to Burton, and Birmingham at home, and I'll be there on Boxing day and I don't doubt I'll get to my usual figure of around 15 league games a season, but there's just an all pervading resignation. Everyone has their theories on the reasons here. Hurst plainly has to take his fair share of responsibility, and by any objective measure his tactical response to the Stockport game on Tuesday was abysmal, but through no fault of his own he's got a league 2 squad. Hardly surprising when he has a league two budget. There's some sense of course, and the past 35 years of my time supporting Town show this, but our natural level is league 2. So, for me, part of the despair here is the realisation that this is as good as it gets. That's it. In a nutshell. We've punched above our weight for ten years, and next year, and beyond, we'll be back at our natural level. For the vast majority of my time supporting this club we've been a bottom half league two team, and that's where our budget and management structure will leave us. The sense that once we are inevitably relegated that we'll slide back into 14th place in league two is part of what's absolutely killing me right now.
For many years I've had a tremendous amount of respect for Roland. He can and must take a lot of credit and pride in making the club what it is, and I've been very proud for a long time that we are a sustainably run club, but his delinquency in allowing the overspend sits right at his door. His refusal to take any responsibility, despite being Chairman, leaves me with no faith in his ability or judgement and he's right on the cusp of, with regret, if not already slightly beyond, the stage where he's ruined the wonderful legacy he's built. I'd already resigned myself to relegation before the season started and I've seen nothing so far that gives me any indication that won't be the case. Quite where that leaves us as an investment is anyone's guess but nothing I see right now gives me any comfort that the club will be bought by anyone other than another local tin pot business person, and that we'll eventually get used to lower mid table league two footall like many of us used to. Right now, and to say this in early October is crazy, but this season simply can't end soon enough.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 3, 2024 21:17:44 GMT 1
What a depressing state of affairs.
I understand that Wycherley has been trying to bring in investment and more recently being trying to sell the club. I have to wonder why neither is happening. We have a long and proud history, we have a reasonable support base (our attendance the other night wasn't the worst in League 1, by a long way) and we own not only the ground, but the land the ground is built on. How many clubs throughout the leagues can say that? It would be great to see the ground full for every game, but that's never going to happen, even when we were in the 2nd tier we didn't sell out Gay Meadow. Unless we draw a big PL club in the 3rd round of the FA cup there will always be spaces.
The worrying thing for me is the apathy from the fans. We all love the club, most have done so for many years and we seem prepared to go out with a whimper, settle for League 2 football and with the way it's looking probably dropping down even further.
I don't have the answers and I very much doubt that anyone on here does either, but without change at the top I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel.
One thing I would say though is that if you want to sell your car it helps if it is in tiptop condition with a service history and a long MOT. Shrewsbury Town are currently in p**s poor nick, without any recent care and attention and a long list of advisories on top of the failed MOT. I don't know how much Wycherley has the club on the market for, but he ain't gonna get top dollar judging by the state that we're presently in.
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 3, 2024 21:36:48 GMT 1
Couple of excellent well thought out contributions just a tad above that I agree with
It’s very fair to hold respect and thanks for how the club was run for the first 2 decades of RW tenure, but also think that change is many years overdue and is now costing us dear
It really pains me to see, hear and feel the sheer apathy around our club currently. Heartbreaking
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Post by Pilch on Oct 3, 2024 21:43:55 GMT 1
I honestly think some of our fans revel in it
they cant wait to post negative stuff, like other negative stuff without fail, ignore positive posts
it pains me to see it
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Post by Pilch on Oct 3, 2024 21:56:49 GMT 1
did anyone else see Shay Given leaving the ground today ?
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Post by chirkshrew on Oct 3, 2024 22:08:26 GMT 1
He's in goal satday 👍
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Post by shrewswolf on Oct 3, 2024 23:52:29 GMT 1
Aparthy is absolutely the best way to describe things right now, and like many others I'm not immune to that but the sad fact is there's just no excitement, replaced by a slow and steady death rattle as any vitality drains out of a now stale club. Like others have said, and with hindsight it's obvious, but the decline as been going on steadily for the past 5-6 years. It's pretty clear this phase of the club's existence is at an end, like the ten years at Division Two level from 79-89, we're now at the tail end of what is looking increasingly like the same period at League 1 level. The effort needed to even stand still has increased dramatically, and the sense that no one really seems to care any more is getting more and more obvious by the day. None of us are glory hunters, let's face it, we're here out of loyalty and the deep grained passion ths club engenders in us. I've done 35 seasons, was at many of the infamous games, both Dagenham thrashings, the famous mullerings at Rushden, Boston, Cambridge, been to Hartlepool, Cardiff, Plymouth, Dover and all points in between. Never at any point in all that time have I felt the way I do now. Even the relegation season in 2003 after my then fiance drove me all the way to Bournemouth and I sat weeping in the stands after that defeat knowing we were almost certainly going to get relegated have I have felt quite the way I do now. It's perhaps best described as a strange sense of disconnection. I'll still watch every game, I'm still going to go to Burton, and Birmingham at home, and I'll be there on Boxing day and I don't doubt I'll get to my usual figure of around 15 league games a season, but there's just an all pervading resignation. Everyone has their theories on the reasons here. Hurst plainly has to take his fair share of responsibility, and by any objective measure his tactical response to the Stockport game on Tuesday was abysmal, but through no fault of his own he's got a league 2 squad. Hardly surprising when he has a league two budget. There's some sense of course, and the past 35 years of my time supporting Town show this, but our natural level is league 2. So, for me, part of the despair here is the realisation that this is as good as it gets. That's it. In a nutshell. We've punched above our weight for ten years, and next year, and beyond, we'll be back at our natural level. For the vast majority of my time supporting this club we've been a bottom half league two team, and that's where our budget and management structure will leave us. The sense that once we are inevitably relegated that we'll slide back into 14th place in league two is part of what's absolutely killing me right now. For many years I've had a tremendous amount of respect for Roland. He can and must take a lot of credit and pride in making the club what it is, and I've been very proud for a long time that we are a sustainably run club, but his delinquency in allowing the overspend sits right at his door. His refusal to take any responsibility, despite being Chairman, leaves me with no faith in his ability or judgement and he's right on the cusp of, with regret, if not already slightly beyond, the stage where he's ruined the wonderful legacy he's built. I'd already resigned myself to relegation before the season started and I've seen nothing so far that gives me any indication that won't be the case. Quite where that leaves us as an investment is anyone's guess but nothing I see right now gives me any comfort that the club will be bought by anyone other than another local tin pot business person, and that we'll eventually get used to lower mid table league two footall like many of us used to. Right now, and to say this in early October is crazy, but this season simply can't end soon enough. Great post. The type of game that ‘makes all the bad times worth it’ seems so few and far between now, and over the last few years. It is truly depressing. But you never know, Bolton away might just be one of those days. If you don’t pretend it may be, you’d never go at all. COYB  |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Oct 4, 2024 9:19:13 GMT 1
I was chatting to someone in the pub before last Saturday, it was a bit doom and gloom ahead of the game with not many people about. But we both recognised that football goes in cycles, there's good and bad times. The hope is that the takeover will be the reset which the club desperately needs and gets the fans back
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Post by ProudSalopian on Oct 4, 2024 9:26:01 GMT 1
I honestly think some of our fans revel in it they cant wait to post negative stuff, like other negative stuff without fail, ignore positive posts it pains me to see it Ok, I'll bite. I'll hold my hand up and say in recent years I've been negative/critical/moaning/crying (delete as appropriate) but that's because I don't see a lot of things to be positive about, on or off the field. That doesn't mean I revel in it, far from it in fact, the way I see the club and it's fanbase is quite depressing. But by that I mean the apathy, personally, I've been surprised at the lack of negativity, I can think of a lot of clubs where there would be a lot more anger, instead we have a fairly placid fanbase and apathy has really set in. Most people I know have accepted relegation which considering we are 9 games in is a sorry state of affairs As for ignoring positive posts, what are they? That isn't a dig, I'm genuinely interested to see what positivity fans are ignoring |
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