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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 16:39:12 GMT 1
watching woods is alright if you're really into watching bursting runs then a sideways pass! Or if you like watching midfielders that never score ! Decent player don't get me wrong ! Far from the finished article and for me goldson is by far the more valuable asset at the moment ! I think I'll rely on the market to tell me that rather than your rather scathing opinion. As for finished articles, I certainly haven't come across one in all my years supporting Town yet ! You mean, you missed Jamie Tolley ?
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Aug 17, 2015 16:50:18 GMT 1
watching woods is alright if you're really into watching bursting runs then a sideways pass! Or if you like watching midfielders that never score ! Decent player don't get me wrong ! Far from the finished article and for me goldson is by far the more valuable asset at the moment ! I think I'll rely on the market to tell me that rather than your rather scathing opinion. As for finished articles, I certainly haven't come across one in all my years supporting Town yet ! im not saying woods is a bad player , far from it . He puts in 100% effort, is quick , can dribble with it a tough tackler! But Connor is more valuable to us in my opinion , he's more experienced, has come on leaps and bounds in the last 12 months and rarely makes any mistakes . And has probably got more goals than woodsy ! If woodsy could drive with the ball into dangerous areas and score more it would be a very Tough decision to choose between the two players .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 16:59:45 GMT 1
I think I'll rely on the market to tell me that rather than your rather scathing opinion. As for finished articles, I certainly haven't come across one in all my years supporting Town yet ! im not saying woods is a bad player , far from it . He puts in 100% effort, is quick , can dribble with it a tough tackler! But Connor is more valuable to us in my opinion , he's more experienced, has come on leaps and bounds in the last 12 months and rarely makes any mistakes . And has probably got more goals than woodsy ! If woodsy could drive with the ball into dangerous areas and score more it would be a very Tough decision to choose between the two players . Connor is prone to 1 major error per match that cost a few points away last season... and a few goals at home
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 17:00:15 GMT 1
QPR seem interested then. Far more concerned about Ryan Woods then Connor personally. Connor is a good defender and has many years ahead of him at a decent level, but I love watching Woods play, the way he takes the ball with players around him and makes it look so easy, I really hope we can keep hold of him for as long as possible. watching woods is alright if you're really into watching bursting runs then a sideways pass! Or if you like watching midfielders that never score ! Decent player don't get me wrong ! Far from the finished article and for me goldson is by far the more valuable asset at the moment ! Have to disagree to be honest. The way Woods takes the ball under control is brilliant, he bosses midfields far more experienced then himself and he's pinpointed as our best player by opposition fans every single game. Yes he passes sideways but that's where the options are, there's top names in the world who mainly pass sideways and are praised for their ability to keep the ball. As for the goals, the position he plays limits the goals he can get, he's not in the team to score goals and if he did it would just be a bonus. If you go down to pure ability, technique and footballing brain, I think Woods is far in excess of Goldson, but I'd prefer to enjoy watching two quality youngsters playing for us while we have the chance then debate over who's more valuable!
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Post by pepi75 on Aug 17, 2015 17:53:59 GMT 1
If Woodys was scoring goals he would of already gone by now!! lets hope he doesnt score a 30 yarder before the transfer date ends. Both are great players enjoy them while we can i say.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 18:45:50 GMT 1
QPR seem interested then. Far more concerned about Ryan Woods then Connor personally. Connor is a good defender and has many years ahead of him at a decent level, but I love watching Woods play, the way he takes the ball with players around him and makes it look so easy, I really hope we can keep hold of him for as long as possible. watching woods is alright if you're really into watching bursting runs then a sideways pass! Or if you like watching midfielders that never score ! Decent player don't get me wrong ! Far from the finished article and for me goldson is by far the more valuable asset at the moment ! The problem with this is two fold. Firstly it ignores the role that Ryan Woods is being asked to play. Secondly good players will never be the finished article because they will have the attitude to improve all the time.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 17, 2015 19:03:44 GMT 1
The value of any player is in the eyes of any clubs that would pay for them, not their relative importance to our team.
A club wanting a tidy midfielder who's a good passer, links the play well and rarely loses possession should find Woods valuable. Perhaps we look for too much because of his obvious quality (I know I'm guilty of that). The fact that he isn't an attacking playmaker and doesn't score may not bother another club as much as it does us!
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Post by venceremos on Aug 17, 2015 19:04:57 GMT 1
watching woods is alright if you're really into watching bursting runs then a sideways pass! Or if you like watching midfielders that never score ! Decent player don't get me wrong ! Far from the finished article and for me goldson is by far the more valuable asset at the moment ! good players will never be the finished article because they will have the attitude to improve all the time. Excellent point - I've been the finished article for a long, long time!
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Post by northwestman on Aug 17, 2015 19:09:00 GMT 1
Ray Wilkins was nicknamed 'the crab' by supporters because of his alleged preference for passing sideways.
Didn't stop him making 695 League appearances mostly for top flight clubs and scoring 49 goals.
For England he made 84 appearances and only scored 3 goals. So scoring goals ain't the be all and end all.
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Post by Llanelian on Aug 17, 2015 21:39:30 GMT 1
Have we all forgotten Sideways Sorvell? Need and tidy player, always available...he also got a lot of stick but did a job for us. I actually think that Jamie Tolley had the potential to be one of our best prospects and had showed more promise that David Edwards, but he wasn't coached properly and stayed too long..same as Sammy Irvine and Stevie Cross. Players benefit sometimes by moving on early...that's why we are seeing more and more younger kids with potential going to the premier League development squads....I actually think that if Ryan Woods or even Connor don't go soon it might be too late for them to develop their potential, cut out the bad stuff in their games and become complete players.
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Post by mattmw on Aug 17, 2015 21:53:12 GMT 1
Not knocking our forwards, but they aren't the best at making forward runs. Woods quite often makes space looks up and doesn't see anyone making a run up front - hence he cuts back and passes back or sideways
Have a feeling in a higher level side with strikers running off the ball more Woods would be a more attack minded player
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Aug 18, 2015 21:49:47 GMT 1
If anyone can say woods is more valuable to us than goldson After that then you watched a different game to me .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 22:31:59 GMT 1
So if Goldson has pulled his hamstring he will be out for a few games....how quick can we get Percival back.
Also after listening to Micky Mellon on the Radio Shrop where he said he also has to question his own decisions, I wonder is he big enough to revert to 352 and bring Micky Demetriou back in, or is it too soon?
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Post by shrewsace on Aug 18, 2015 22:37:48 GMT 1
So if Goldson has pulled his hamstring he will be out for a few games....how quick can we get Percival back. Also after listening to Micky Mellon on the Radio Shrop where he said he also has to question his own decisions, I wonder is he big enough to revert to 352 and bring Micky Demetriou back in, or is it too soon? He has to bite the bullet I think, but we're lacking a Bobby Grant-type player in centre mid and not sure what Tootle would offer going forward as a right wing back.
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Post by mattmw on Aug 18, 2015 22:39:21 GMT 1
I'm not totally sure it's possible for us to switch back to 5-3-2 especially if Goldson is injured
Can't see NKP being ready and we don't have a obvious right wing back - at least I don't think we do
Big puzzle so far this season is why that system was ditched after its success last season? Definitely a question that needs asking
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 22:41:31 GMT 1
Could Martin Woods move to LWB?
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Post by markglasgow on Aug 18, 2015 22:45:05 GMT 1
Was hoping that MM was waiting until the return of NKP before reverting to 3-5-2. He's obviously made his mind up about Mickey D and can't see him playing him anytime soon.
The return of NKP and Weso will be like two new signings. They certainly strengthen our squad so lets hope they slot back into first team action without too much of a transitional period.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 22:45:12 GMT 1
Or, perhaps, Connor isn't really injured and is on his way out?!
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Post by stfcfan87 on Aug 18, 2015 22:46:53 GMT 1
If anyone can say woods is more valuable to us than goldson After that then you watched a different game to me . I watched a different game than you obviously Woods is outstanding, again got mom from radio shrop. Yes we missed goldson at the back but then again jhis replacement, ellis , was by no means bad, and with awful performances from several other town players I dont think goldson would have saved us even
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Aug 18, 2015 22:51:19 GMT 1
If anyone can say woods is more valuable to us than goldson After that then you watched a different game to me . I watched a different game than you obviously Woods is outstanding, again got mom from radio shrop. Yes we missed goldson at the back but then again jhis replacement, ellis , was by no means bad, and with awful performances from several other town players I dont think goldson would have saved us even we were at sixes and sevens at the back all night . and with or without the armband on he's a leader. In my opinion Lawrence could do the job woods did tonight , and that would give woods the opportunity to do his stuff higher up the pitch and hurt the opposition instead of having to do it on our own box , and effectively costing us a goal .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 22:54:10 GMT 1
I'm not totally sure it's possible for us to switch back to 5-3-2 especially if Goldson is injured Can't see NKP being ready and we don't have a obvious right wing back - at least I don't think we do Big puzzle so far this season is why that system was ditched after its success last season? Definitely a question that needs asking While it sounds like we struggled defensively tonight but it is the attacking options that worry me with a 4-4-2. Collins are Barnett are old school strikers, working the channels and getting on the end of stuff. They need supply and there is v little creativity in the centre of midfield and mediocrity out wide. Criticism of Woods not be creative enough misses the point, that not what he's good at. Let him control the play, give it to xxx and xxx and they supply the strikers. And there's your problem! As Lawrence gets older he wants to drop back too. As it stands we have a midfield who on a good day will keep the ball all day but have little penetration.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Aug 18, 2015 22:55:10 GMT 1
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Post by victorsboots on Aug 18, 2015 22:58:50 GMT 1
One of my friends was in sovereign suite tonight and said ackpro said Goldson was off and wished him well He said mm and Connor had a fall out today and Goldson wasn't even there tonight. Andrew Trenton was shocked at ackpro's comments.
Sounds like Goldson reported in with a tactical hamstring.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 22:59:20 GMT 1
Can't see NKP being ready and we don't have a obvious right wing back - at least I don't think we do I think Agogo could do a decent job there. Maybe a while before we have the players for 5-3-2 / 3-5-2 if Goldson is on his way.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 18, 2015 23:26:05 GMT 1
A couple of the stewards in the East Stand said that Connor has gone to QPR.
One claimed to have spoken to Connor's dad today and said that apparently the transfer fee is 750k, plus a further 250k based on appearances, plus a 20% sell on clause.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Aug 19, 2015 0:45:48 GMT 1
I watched a different game than you obviously Woods is outstanding, again got mom from radio shrop. Yes we missed goldson at the back but then again jhis replacement, ellis , was by no means bad, and with awful performances from several other town players I dont think goldson would have saved us even we were at sixes and sevens at the back all night . and with or without the armband on he's a leader. In my opinion Lawrence could do the job woods did tonight , and that would give woods the opportunity to do his stuff higher up the pitch and hurt the opposition instead of having to do it on our own box , and effectively costing us a goal . Yep we were, but 2 full backs were poor, so was grandison and 3 of the midfield 4 Dont agree about Lawrence. For starters he often doesn't seem fit! He got caught on the second, but that was down to absolutely no options or shouting Kinda of irrelevant anyway as seems goldson is off!
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Post by victorsboots on Aug 19, 2015 12:44:31 GMT 1
Pete O'Rourke @sportspeteo "Brighton set to sign Shrewsbury Town defender Connor Goldson. #BHAFC #Shrewsbury"
Even with hamstring troubles lol
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Post by chelschris on Aug 19, 2015 12:45:18 GMT 1
Brighton it is then for Connor....bid submitted...
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 19, 2015 13:04:40 GMT 1
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Post by victorsboots on Aug 19, 2015 13:08:14 GMT 1
Might not be that high a figure due to hamstring problems lol so jlaa was right. Mellon not so open and honest on this one last night.
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