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Post by neilsalop on Sept 24, 2019 10:48:50 GMT 1
What are peoples views on kids going strike to bring the climate issues to the front pages?
Personally I think that it's a shame that 4,000,000+ children skipping school for a day is being portrayed in some quarters as 'a skive'.
I'm not saying that there weren't some that saw it as an opportuntiy to skip school for a day, but I truly believe that most of those kids on the marches throughout the world do actually care about the planet that they are going be left with. If massive cuts to CO2 aren't made soon our kids and grandkids aren't going to have a sustainable environment to live in.
The constant need for more profit and more growth aren't feasible, finite resources cannot feed infinite growth, it really is simple maths.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 24, 2019 10:54:43 GMT 1
personally I think that girl we keep hearing on the news, if only she'd have done that speech last week she might have made the Emmys ;-)
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 24, 2019 11:23:18 GMT 1
personally I think that girl we keep hearing on the news, if only she'd have done that speech last week she might have made the Emmys ;-) So I'll take it that you either don't believe that there is any problem with climate change or that it's 'fake news' or a Chinese conspiracy?
I suppose Elvis is still alive, the moon landings were faked and the Earth is flat too.
Greta Thunberg (or that girl as you call her) has had a bigger impact in the last year of her young life than you or I will ever have in ours.
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Post by kuffdam72 on Sept 24, 2019 11:41:04 GMT 1
put it this way, all adults involved in her circus should have their hard drives checked.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 24, 2019 12:04:26 GMT 1
What are peoples views on kids going strike to bring the climate issues to the front pages?
Personally I think that it's a shame that 4,000,000+ children skipping school for a day is being portrayed in some quarters as 'a skive'.
I'm not saying that there weren't some that saw it as an opportuntiy to skip school for a day, but I truly believe that most of those kids on the marches throughout the world do actually care about the planet that they are going be left with. If massive cuts to CO2 aren't made soon our kids and grandkids aren't going to have a sustainable environment to live in.
The constant need for more profit and more growth aren't feasible, finite resources cannot feed infinite growth, it really is simple maths.
She is right that it will be her and future generations who will be paying the price for the worlds rulers failing to deal with climate change. www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2010/04/big-melt-tibetan-plateau/i dont see how you can ignore such overwhelming evidence .
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Sept 24, 2019 12:38:53 GMT 1
personally I think that girl we keep hearing on the news, if only she'd have done that speech last week she might have made the Emmys ;-) So I'll take it that you either don't believe that there is any problem with climate change or that it's 'fake news' or a Chinese conspiracy?
I suppose Elvis is still alive, the moon landings were faked and the Earth is flat too.
Greta Thunberg (or that girl as you call her) has had a bigger impact in the last year of her young life than you or I will ever have in ours.
The moon landings were faked
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Post by scooter on Sept 24, 2019 12:50:07 GMT 1
So I'll take it that you either don't believe that there is any problem with climate change or that it's 'fake news' or a Chinese conspiracy?
I suppose Elvis is still alive, the moon landings were faked and the Earth is flat too.
Greta Thunberg (or that girl as you call her) has had a bigger impact in the last year of her young life than you or I will ever have in ours.
The moon landings were faked There’s a common theme here. Don’t start Pilch on that one as well !
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Post by venceremos on Sept 24, 2019 13:09:09 GMT 1
personally I think that girl we keep hearing on the news, if only she'd have done that speech last week she might have made the Emmys ;-) Just the sort of dismissive, patronising response that makes me hope future generations turn out better than my own. I don't mind people disagreeing with Greta Thunberg ("that girl") with reasoned arguments but the mocking, sneering attacks on a courageous and extraordinary 16 year old just highlight the inability of some to engage on the real issue.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 24, 2019 13:09:58 GMT 1
put it this way, all adults involved in her circus should have their hard drives checked. I rest my case.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 24, 2019 13:22:39 GMT 1
personally I think that girl we keep hearing on the news, if only she'd have done that speech last week she might have made the Emmys ;-) Just the sort of dismissive, patronising response that makes me hope future generations turn out better than my own. I don't mind people disagreeing with Greta Thunberg ("that girl") with reasoned arguments but the mocking, sneering attacks on a courageous and extraordinary 16 year old just highlight the inability of some to engage on the real issue. i agree she is a remarkable and articulate person who cuts through the waffle to the heart of the matter and she seem to live her by her principles .
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 24, 2019 13:32:59 GMT 1
What are peoples views on kids going strike to bring the climate issues to the front pages?
Personally I think that it's a shame that 4,000,000+ children skipping school for a day is being portrayed in some quarters as 'a skive'.
I'm not saying that there weren't some that saw it as an opportuntiy to skip school for a day, but I truly believe that most of those kids on the marches throughout the world do actually care about the planet that they are going be left with. If massive cuts to CO2 aren't made soon our kids and grandkids aren't going to have a sustainable environment to live in.
The constant need for more profit and more growth aren't feasible, finite resources cannot feed infinite growth, it really is simple maths.
One thing that would be interesting to see is how many would have attended if this was a Saturday, or a summer holiday from school/college.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 24, 2019 13:41:42 GMT 1
What are peoples views on kids going strike to bring the climate issues to the front pages?
Personally I think that it's a shame that 4,000,000+ children skipping school for a day is being portrayed in some quarters as 'a skive'.
I'm not saying that there weren't some that saw it as an opportuntiy to skip school for a day, but I truly believe that most of those kids on the marches throughout the world do actually care about the planet that they are going be left with. If massive cuts to CO2 aren't made soon our kids and grandkids aren't going to have a sustainable environment to live in.
The constant need for more profit and more growth aren't feasible, finite resources cannot feed infinite growth, it really is simple maths.
One thing that would be interesting to see is how many would have attended if this was a Saturday, or a summer holiday from school/college. It might but it might also be that, for every student taking advantage of the strike to get out of school (and I have my doubts that the proportion would be very high), there'd be another who wouldn't (or been told by their parents they couldn't) strike during school time but would be free and willing to do so outside school hours, often with the active support of their teachers and school. You might even find more kids from private schools joining in.
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 24, 2019 13:55:34 GMT 1
i agree she is a remarkable and articulate person who cuts through the waffle to the heart of the matter and she seem to live her by her principles . Fox News called her mentally ill. Twice.
Her aspergers makes her see the world in a more black and white way than most of us do, but it also helps to focus her on finding solutions, rather than making excuses, like most of us do.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 24, 2019 14:33:17 GMT 1
i agree she is a remarkable and articulate person who cuts through the waffle to the heart of the matter and she seem to live her by her principles . Fox News called her mentally ill. Twice.
Her aspergers makes her see the world in a more black and white way than most of us do, but it also helps to focus her on finding solutions, rather than making excuses, like most of us do.
sad but not a suprise if you cant win the argument try to demonize or marganlize them
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 24, 2019 14:48:00 GMT 1
One thing that would be interesting to see is how many would have attended if this was a Saturday, or a summer holiday from school/college. It might but it might also be that, for every student taking advantage of the strike to get out of school (and I have my doubts that the proportion would be very high), there'd be another who wouldn't (or been told by their parents they couldn't) strike during school time but would be free and willing to do so outside school hours, often with the active support of their teachers and school. You might even find more kids from private schools joining in. Â I'm not sure which way it would go, I'd just be interested to see. I think there is a lot more focus in the youth of today in terms of climate change.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 24, 2019 15:21:07 GMT 1
I think a concern with kids taking time off is who else is down there looking to bend their ear. We're bound to have all sorts of s**testers out there looking to piggy back on the environmental issue in order to push their political agenda. I think if I saw my kid at some gathering with the hammer and sickle on display they wouldn't be there again. People will take advantage, that's a concern. I just hope efforts are taken to keep the nutters well away from the kids. And as for Thunberg, I just worry about what she is putting herself through. I think she mentioned only this week about her childhood being stolen? And when I see her... I do wonder about her mental health. She is putting herself through an awful lot at such a young age, she looks under an incredible amount of pressure. She looks angry and she looks scared. Not really comfortable seeing some kid put through that to be honest. Something needs to be done for sure by my understanding is that things are being done. Perhaps not at the speed that some would like but surely we should all appreciate that this needs to be managed with care and consideration. Its going to have a huge impact on the economy or? Meaning peoples jobs and livelihoods. That's not to be taken lightly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 15:37:20 GMT 1
I think Greta is inspirational. As has been highlighted above, the fact she has Asperger Syndrome and OCD make her approach far more black and white and direct than others. Climate change is real and we are slowly destroying the planet; we all have a responsibility to help irrespective of how small we think our actions will make a change.
As to the point about taking time off school... if I'd wanted to 'bunk off school' when I was younger, it wouldn't have been to travel a distance to join a political activist protesting climate change. If kids wanted an afternoon off school they'd have been down MacDonalds or at home on their playstation. Those who were there wanted to be there and were making their point as adults do when joining in a work-related strike. I have do doubt future protests will take place on a weekend to be open to all, but this weeks approach certainly helped create the media focus it needed. Well done Greta and the other children organising such an event.
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 24, 2019 15:42:16 GMT 1
I think a concern with kids taking time off is who else is down there looking to bend their ear. We're bound to have all sorts of s**testers out there looking to piggy back on the environmental issue in order to push their political agenda. I think if I saw my kid at some gathering with the hammer and sickle on display they wouldn't be there again. People will take advantage, that's a concern. I just hope efforts are taken to keep the nutters well away from the kids. And as for Thunberg, I just worry about what she is putting herself through. I think she mentioned only this week about her childhood being stolen? And when I see her... I do wonder about her mental health. She is putting herself through an awful lot at such a young age, she looks under an incredible amount of pressure. She looks angry and she looks scared. Not really comfortable seeing some kid put through that to be honest. Something needs to be done for sure by my understanding is that things are being done. Perhaps not at the speed that some would like but surely we should all appreciate that this needs to be managed with care and consideration. Its going to have a huge impact on the economy or? Meaning peoples jobs and livelihoods. That's not to be taken lightly. You have managed to voice my concerns about Greta really well. Thank you. There is something that makes me feel uneasy even though I agree with her point of view.
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 24, 2019 16:05:40 GMT 1
I think a concern with kids taking time off is who else is down there looking to bend their ear. We're bound to have all sorts of s**testers out there looking to piggy back on the environmental issue in order to push their political agenda. I think if I saw my kid at some gathering with the hammer and sickle on display they wouldn't be there again. People will take advantage, that's a concern. I just hope efforts are taken to keep the nutters well away from the kids. And as for Thunberg, I just worry about what she is putting herself through. I think she mentioned only this week about her childhood being stolen? And when I see her... I do wonder about her mental health. She is putting herself through an awful lot at such a young age, she looks under an incredible amount of pressure. She looks angry and she looks scared. Not really comfortable seeing some kid put through that to be honest. Something needs to be done for sure by my understanding is that things are being done. Perhaps not at the speed that some would like but surely we should all appreciate that this needs to be managed with care and consideration. Its going to have a huge impact on the economy or? Meaning peoples jobs and livelihoods. That's not to be taken lightly. You mention the impact on the economy and on peoples jobs and livelihoods and I completely agree that there will be impacts. These don't have to be negative impacts though. For every job lost in oil, gas and coal supplies there could be another created in fitting solar panels or building windfarms. For every factory farm we could have free range farms producing better quality food. For every old industry, there is a new one just waiting to take its place. For every new road not being built there are bus and train stations and routes that can take us out of our little boxes on wheels. Sitting on our hands isn't really an option.
You also mention that Miss Thunberg looks angry and scared. We should all be f**king angry and scared. The huge corporations have raped this planet for decades and instead of slowing down, it has increased in intensity over the last few years, fracking is endangering our water supplies, uncontrolled fires in the Amazon, Africa, Indonesia and Russia to name but a few are strangling our atmosphere, coal fired power stations still being built in China and many other countries, coups being orchestrated in Venezuela to gain access to their oil, wars being threatened against Iran to gain access to theirs, billionaires like Murdoch and Rothschild moving in on the oil in the Golan Heights (contrary to UN resolutions) with the full backing of Israel, lobbyists for big oil, car manufacturers, etc. pushing back on environmental concerns, drilling licences for the Alaskan wilderness and National Parks in the US are being handed out like confetti, vast swathes of rainforests being slashed and burnt to allow for beef farming or palm oil production, coral reefs dying out across the oceans, animals going extinct at an unprecedented rate. If you're not f**king angry, you're not paying attention.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 16:32:33 GMT 1
So, ASC and OCD = mental health issues.
The fact that some people need to label her and highlight her conditions tells you all you need to know about those people.
It's perfectly possible to lead a full and successful life with ASC and OCD without any more mental health issues than anybody else.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 24, 2019 16:34:03 GMT 1
I think a concern with kids taking time off is who else is down there looking to bend their ear. We're bound to have all sorts of s**testers out there looking to piggy back on the environmental issue in order to push their political agenda. I think if I saw my kid at some gathering with the hammer and sickle on display they wouldn't be there again. People will take advantage, that's a concern. I just hope efforts are taken to keep the nutters well away from the kids. And as for Thunberg, I just worry about what she is putting herself through. I think she mentioned only this week about her childhood being stolen? And when I see her... I do wonder about her mental health. She is putting herself through an awful lot at such a young age, she looks under an incredible amount of pressure. She looks angry and she looks scared. Not really comfortable seeing some kid put through that to be honest. Something needs to be done for sure by my understanding is that things are being done. Perhaps not at the speed that some would like but surely we should all appreciate that this needs to be managed with care and consideration. Its going to have a huge impact on the economy or? Meaning peoples jobs and livelihoods. That's not to be taken lightly. You have managed to voice my concerns about Greta really well. Thank you. There is something that makes me feel uneasy even though I agree with her point of view. I feel uneasy. I feel uneasy that climate change is happening, that even the most sceptical can't be sure we're not contributing to that and that we aren't doing enough, quickly enough, to prevent things getting much worse and widespread, irreversible damage being done. I feel angry that some (not you) would rather mock or attempt to discredit someone for her youth and/or supposed mental health than engage with the subject matter. Older generations have too many vested interests in the status quo to be entirely trusted. I'm delighted that Greta and her fellow strikers are changing the nature of the debate. It needs to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 16:49:09 GMT 1
Disgusting use of an autistic child by maniacal parents of a theatrical bent determined to get their publicity.
Greta is clearly disturbed to the point she truly believes the world is at boiling point. Tosh! The speech she gave yesterday was vomit inducing.
Termites give 10x the carbon dioxide output than human beings.
Call this s**t out for what it is; control mechanism.
Does this "child" ever do anything than spout poorly annunciated s**te spoon fed by globalists? If she had a brain cell it would die lonely.
USEFUL IDIOT and to be pitied.
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 24, 2019 16:55:17 GMT 1
Disgusting use of an autistic child by maniacal parents of a theatrical bent determined to get their publicity. Greta is clearly disturbed to the point she truly believes the world is at boiling point. Tosh! The speech she gave yesterday was vomit inducing. Termites give 10x the carbon dioxide output than human beings. Call this s**t out for what it is; control mechanism. Does this "child" ever do anything than spout poorly annunciated s**te spoon fed by globalists? If she had a brain cell it would die lonely. USEFUL IDIOT and to be pitied. That post has to be up there with the worst I've ever seen on this board.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 16:57:03 GMT 1
I've been listening to this Irish chap for some years and his insight into human psychology is astounding. Here, particularly in conjunction with Greta Thunberg, he lays bare the arch communists behind this s**te, and the ulterior motives.
* Highly Recommend *
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 24, 2019 17:04:37 GMT 1
Disgusting use of an autistic child by maniacal parents of a theatrical bent determined to get their publicity. Greta is clearly disturbed to the point she truly believes the world is at boiling point. Tosh! The speech she gave yesterday was vomit inducing. Termites give 10x the carbon dioxide output than human beings. Call this s**t out for what it is; control mechanism. Does this "child" ever do anything than spout poorly annunciated s**te spoon fed by globalists? If she had a brain cell it would die lonely. USEFUL IDIOT and to be pitied. That post has to be up there with the worst I've ever seen on this board. There have been some terrible posts over the years, but you're right this one takes the biscuit. I am tempted to delete the entire thread, because this kind of attack is unwarranted and downright spiteful.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 24, 2019 17:11:17 GMT 1
my relative is visting from new Zealand she was saying that tend to eat what is seasonal as some products we eat all year round are so expensive.many grow there own vegetables or get them from farmers markets.
in contrast look at the labels of the food we purchase it comes from virtually every part of the world. you can eat strawberries every day of the year. how is that sustainable?
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Post by venceremos on Sept 24, 2019 17:11:21 GMT 1
I've been listening to this Irish chap for some years and his insight into human psychology is astounding. Here, particularly in conjunction with Greta Thunberg, he lays bare the arch communists behind this s**te, and the ulterior motives. * Highly Recommend * Oh, dear God, the state of this. Where did you and your 10 posts suddenly appear from anyway?
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Post by venceremos on Sept 24, 2019 17:12:49 GMT 1
That post has to be up there with the worst I've ever seen on this board. There have been some terrible posts over the years, but you're right this one takes the biscuit. I am tempted to delete the entire thread, because this kind of attack is unwarranted and downright spiteful. Please don't delete the thread because of this individual's vile nonsense.
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 24, 2019 17:19:58 GMT 1
I've been listening to this Irish chap for some years and his insight into human psychology is astounding. Here, particularly in conjunction with Greta Thunberg, he lays bare the arch communists behind this s**te, and the ulterior motives. * Highly Recommend * Oh, dear God, the state of this. Where did you and your 10 posts suddenly appear from anyway? I watched a couple of minutes and wanted to bleach my eyes and ears.
Makes infowars look well balanced.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 17:27:21 GMT 1
That post has to be up there with the worst I've ever seen on this board. There have been some terrible posts over the years, but you're right this one takes the biscuit. I am tempted to delete the entire thread, because this kind of attack is unwarranted and downright spiteful. And mind numbingly ignorant!
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