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Post by shrewinjapan on Sept 25, 2019 4:38:30 GMT 1
So we are seeing Siberian & Alaskan heatwaves, rapid melting of polar ice, increasing frequency and intensity of destructive cyclones and floods, rising sea levels, coral bleaching and dying, rapid acceleration of extinctions & loss of biodiversity, bee colony collapse and a large decline in insect biomass, massive patches of floating garbage in the oceans and lots of marine life being found full of plastic, increasing levels of mercury in fish, stored quantities of radioactive water from Fukushima mounting to the point where they are going to have to dump it in the sea (shame on you Japan!), raging fires in the Amazon, etc, etc.
And yet some are still unwilling to admit that we are destroying the planet through our activity. Instead it's a globalist and/or communist conspiracy, a plot to tax and control us.
How blind and twisted some people are.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 7:59:57 GMT 1
To be fair, my mrs had the heating on last night so it can’t be that warm!👍
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 25, 2019 8:19:10 GMT 1
So I'll take it that you either don't believe that there is any problem with climate change or that it's 'fake news' or a Chinese conspiracy?
I suppose Elvis is still alive, the moon landings were faked and the Earth is flat too.
Greta Thunberg (or that girl as you call her) has had a bigger impact in the last year of her young life than you or I will ever have in ours.
not exactly sure how man landing on the moon is relevant to my reply, or even why you think what your opinion is is the correct one my reply was aimed at that girl and her performance the Emmys was Sunday please tell me that she wasn't cast for that role, wasn't given a professionally written script and hadn't rehearsed it as for the current climate remind me what the latest scare is cant remember if its a new ice age or the ice is melting whichever one it will be the other next year That girl was sitting outside the Swedish parliament on her own for weeks before the press picked up on her. I'm pretty sure that that she wasn't cast in a role. if you've ever even done a best man speech you would have rehearsed it, so I would imagine that she did stand in front of a mirror going through it a few times. Just because she doesn't fit in with your agenda it would seem that she must a stooge for the climate change lobby. Wow.
FYI the latest scare is apparantly a huge effin' glacier on Mont Blanc sliding off the mountain, but that is small fry compared to the ongoing fires in Brazil, Siberia, Africa and South East Asia, the bleaching and dying of the Great Barrier Reef, the continuing over use of single use plastics suffocating our oceans and the almost God like devotion to fossil fuels that is leading to attempted coups and probable wars in Venezuela and Iran to name but a few of my concerns.
Happy to know tht you care so much about the planet. I don't know if you have kids or grandkids, but I'd hope that if you do that you would like them to have a viable planet to live on. I've got 30 odd years left on this Earth if I'm lucky and I imagine that for most of those years the planet will still be sustaining me. My kids and grandkids have many more years than me left and if we don't do something soon, then I worry that the planet won't be able to sustain them. I suppose there is always the option of Soylent Green
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 25, 2019 8:33:56 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Sept 25, 2019 9:43:47 GMT 1
not exactly sure how man landing on the moon is relevant to my reply, or even why you think what your opinion is is the correct one my reply was aimed at that girl and her performance the Emmys was Sunday please tell me that she wasn't cast for that role, wasn't given a professionally written script and hadn't rehearsed it as for the current climate remind me what the latest scare is cant remember if its a new ice age or the ice is melting whichever one it will be the other next year That girl was sitting outside the Swedish parliament on her own for weeks before the press picked up on her. I'm pretty sure that that she wasn't cast in a role. if you've ever even done a best man speech you would have rehearsed it, so I would imagine that she did stand in front of a mirror going through it a few times. Just because she doesn't fit in with your agenda it would seem that she must a stooge for the climate change lobby. Wow.
FYI the latest scare is apparantly a huge effin' glacier on Mont Blanc sliding off the mountain, but that is small fry compared to the ongoing fires in Brazil, Siberia, Africa and South East Asia, the bleaching and dying of the Great Barrier Reef, the continuing over use of single use plastics suffocating our oceans and the almost God like devotion to fossil fuels that is leading to attempted coups and probable wars in Venezuela and Iran to name but a few of my concerns.
Happy to know tht you care so much about the planet. I don't know if you have kids or grandkids, but I'd hope that if you do that you would like them to have a viable planet to live on. I've got 30 odd years left on this Earth if I'm lucky and I imagine that for most of those years the planet will still be sustaining me. My kids and grandkids have many more years than me left and if we don't do something soon, then I worry that the planet won't be able to sustain them. I suppose there is always the option of Soylent Green
I listen to dr Chris smith most days on various podcasts, hes very interesting and knows absolutely everything, but never feels the need to produce an Oscar winning speech to explain things as for changing the climate, it all about money I drive a car everyday, I should be driving an electric car, cant afford one so I'll carry on polluting the air, buy hey its many years since I used to lob rubbish out of the window ;-)
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 25, 2019 10:57:46 GMT 1
I listen to dr Chris smith most days on various podcasts, hes very interesting and knows absolutely everything, but never feels the need to produce an Oscar winning speech to explain things as for changing the climate, it all about money I drive a car everyday, I should be driving an electric car, cant afford one so I'll carry on polluting the air, buy hey its many years since I used to lob rubbish out of the window ;-) Maybe if the good Dr. was giving a speech to the UN he would have to put a bit of effort in, especially if it was about something he was passionate about.
I too drive a car every day and I can't afford an electric car either, but I try to do my bit in other ways, recycling, etc. It's not enough I know, but it isn't made any easier by governments, both nationally and locally prioritising road transport above most other forms.
''as for changing the climate, it all about money'' I couldn't agree more. Apparantly the 100 biggest polluters in the world are responsible for over 70% of the worlds man made CO2 emissions and obviously these corporations aren't prepared to cut back until they're forced to. Maybe it's time to name and shame these companies and start boycotting them.
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 25, 2019 11:38:57 GMT 1
my relative is visting from new Zealand she was saying that tend to eat what is seasonal as some products we eat all year round are so expensive.many grow there own vegetables or get them from farmers markets. in contrast look at the labels of the food we purchase it comes from virtually every part of the world. you can eat strawberries every day of the year. how is that sustainable? who eats strawberries every day ? next you'll be saying we eat bread, potatoes etc every day of the year He actually makes a very valid point. If we went back to eating fruit and vegetables seasonally this would be far more sustainable.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 25, 2019 12:44:46 GMT 1
who eats strawberries every day ? next you'll be saying we eat bread, potatoes etc every day of the year He actually makes a very valid point. If we went back to eating fruit and vegetables seasonally this would be far more sustainable. my point was that we've been eating food out of season for centuries
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 25, 2019 14:23:38 GMT 1
He actually makes a very valid point. If we went back to eating fruit and vegetables seasonally this would be far more sustainable. my point was that we've been eating food out of season for centuries Wheat, pototoes, apples, etc. yes, we have. Strawberries, cabbages, sprouts, lettuce, tomatoes, etc. not so much.
Without going beyond our shores and having hundreds or even thousands of miles of transport involved we can't eat a lot of fresh produce out of season.
Have a look in you fridge or cupboards and see what is actually produced in the UK and then see how long it will last without being frozen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 15:10:05 GMT 1
He actually makes a very valid point. If we went back to eating fruit and vegetables seasonally this would be far more sustainable. my point was that we've been eating food out of season for centuries We were using capital punishment for centuries - might as well have carried on, what an inconvenience to change our ways eh.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 25, 2019 23:59:34 GMT 1
my point was that we've been eating food out of season for centuries We were using capital punishment for centuries - might as well have carried on, what an inconvenience to change our ways eh. yeah, we just cage them up now creating an unnecessary carbon footprint ;-) I voted leave by the way and that seems an inconvenience to those in power to make the decisions anyway we need to grow more strawberries to help convert the extra carbon dioxide we check out ;-)
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 26, 2019 10:00:03 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/25/1-of-english-residents-take-one-fifth-of-overseas-flights-survey-shows"Just 1% of English residents are responsible for nearly a fifth of all flights abroad, according to previously unpublished statistics. The figures, published in a Department for Transport survey, also reveal that the 10% most frequent flyers in England more than half of all international flights in 2018. However, 48% of the population did not take a single flight abroad in the last year." "The aviation sector accounted for about 7% of the UK’s total greenhouse gas emissions in 2017. It is projected to be the single biggest source of emissions in the UK by 2050 due to the steadily increasing demand for flights." this report just highlights the goverment have got the wrong approach to flying.the only suprise was 48% of did not take a single flight abroad last year.if the goverment wonts to get serious about pollution and air quality it whill need to take some unpopular measuers. i cant afford an electric car and due to health problems i cant cycle and i am limited to how far i can walk but whilst i have a car, when it is feasable i use the bus or train even though our tranport system is awful personally i think we need to change the tax system to how much polution we create. i am not a kill joy and everyon likes a nice holiday in the sun and that some people need to fly with there work ( with skype and means of communicating there are other ways which cause less pollution) but when 1% contribute to 20%of the flights then it needs looking at
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 26, 2019 10:10:33 GMT 1
my point was that we've been eating food out of season for centuries Wheat, pototoes, apples, etc. yes, we have. Strawberries, cabbages, sprouts, lettuce, tomatoes, etc. not so much.
Without going beyond our shores and having hundreds or even thousands of miles of transport involved we can't eat a lot of fresh produce out of season.
Have a look in you fridge or cupboards and see what is actually produced in the UK and then see how long it will last without being frozen.
exactly the point i was making neilsalop. i just fail to understand why aquaponics farmingn is not more poular in the uk Aquaponics is a form of agriculture that combines raising fish in tanks (recirculating aquaculture) with soilless plant culture (hydroponics). In aquaponics, the nutrient-rich water from raising fish provides a natural fertilizer for the plants and the plants help to purify the water for the fish. this method of farming whould produce not only the fish but also a number of vegetable such as leafy salads and tomatoes.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 26, 2019 11:49:30 GMT 1
Wheat, pototoes, apples, etc. yes, we have. Strawberries, cabbages, sprouts, lettuce, tomatoes, etc. not so much.
Without going beyond our shores and having hundreds or even thousands of miles of transport involved we can't eat a lot of fresh produce out of season.
Have a look in you fridge or cupboards and see what is actually produced in the UK and then see how long it will last without being frozen.
exactly the point i was making neilsalop. i just fail to understand why aquaponics farmingn is not more poular in the uk Aquaponics is a form of agriculture that combines raising fish in tanks (recirculating aquaculture) with soilless plant culture (hydroponics). In aquaponics, the nutrient-rich water from raising fish provides a natural fertilizer for the plants and the plants help to purify the water for the fish. this method of farming whould produce not only the fish but also a number of vegetable such as leafy salads and tomatoes. you'd think a chippy would incorporate this idea growing potatoes in the back of the shop with the aid of fish each leading to each others downfall I'm here all day ;-)
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 26, 2019 17:03:31 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/25/1-of-english-residents-take-one-fifth-of-overseas-flights-survey-shows"Just 1% of English residents are responsible for nearly a fifth of all flights abroad, according to previously unpublished statistics. The figures, published in a Department for Transport survey, also reveal that the 10% most frequent flyers in England more than half of all international flights in 2018. However, 48% of the population did not take a single flight abroad in the last year." "The aviation sector accounted for about 7% of the UK’s total greenhouse gas emissions in 2017. It is projected to be the single biggest source of emissions in the UK by 2050 due to the steadily increasing demand for flights." this report just highlights the goverment have got the wrong approach to flying.the only suprise was 48% of did not take a single flight abroad last year.if the goverment wonts to get serious about pollution and air quality it whill need to take some unpopular measuers. i cant afford an electric car and due to health problems i cant cycle and i am limited to how far i can walk but whilst i have a car, when it is feasable i use the bus or train even though our tranport system is awful personally i think we need to change the tax system to how much polution we create. i am not a kill joy and everyon likes a nice holiday in the sun and that some people need to fly with there work ( with skype and means of communicating there are other ways which cause less pollution) but when 1% contribute to 20%of the flights then it needs looking at I take one long haul return flight most years, occasionally two short haul instead. I work bloody hard and so does my wife and we deserve a break. Are you saying that I should endure staycations in the UK instead? Sorry, but no. If I go abroad I can almost guarantee decent weather, better value and an enjoyable holiday. If I stay in the UK I can't be sure of good weather, hotel and even Airbnb prices are poor value for anywhere half decent and eating out (unless I want to spend the whole time eating at 'spoons or Hungry Horses) is at best hit and miss and expensive. I fully understand that I am making a bigger negative impact on the environment by doing what I do, but I usually pay more in taxes on the flights than on the flights themselves. Planes are getting more fuel efficient and squeezing more and more passengers on board these days, so the actual personal impact per person is actually reduced. Like you I can't afford to buy an electric car, can't get to work on public transport and to be honest I'm not fit enough to cycle that far. I agree that something needs to be done, but when your and my carbon footprint is the size that it is and some companies throw out a million times what we do it should not be the likes of us that should be the ones paying.
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Post by smurf on Sept 26, 2019 18:34:40 GMT 1
Please have a listen to Patrick Moore, The Sensible Environmentalist on you tube only takes a few mins
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 26, 2019 19:21:38 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/25/1-of-english-residents-take-one-fifth-of-overseas-flights-survey-shows"Just 1% of English residents are responsible for nearly a fifth of all flights abroad, according to previously unpublished statistics. The figures, published in a Department for Transport survey, also reveal that the 10% most frequent flyers in England more than half of all international flights in 2018. However, 48% of the population did not take a single flight abroad in the last year." "The aviation sector accounted for about 7% of the UK’s total greenhouse gas emissions in 2017. It is projected to be the single biggest source of emissions in the UK by 2050 due to the steadily increasing demand for flights." this report just highlights the goverment have got the wrong approach to flying.the only suprise was 48% of did not take a single flight abroad last year.if the goverment wonts to get serious about pollution and air quality it whill need to take some unpopular measuers. i cant afford an electric car and due to health problems i cant cycle and i am limited to how far i can walk but whilst i have a car, when it is feasable i use the bus or train even though our tranport system is awful personally i think we need to change the tax system to how much polution we create. i am not a kill joy and everyon likes a nice holiday in the sun and that some people need to fly with there work ( with skype and means of communicating there are other ways which cause less pollution) but when 1% contribute to 20%of the flights then it needs looking at I take one long haul return flight most years, occasionally two short haul instead. I work bloody hard and so does my wife and we deserve a break. Are you saying that I should endure staycations in the UK instead? Sorry, but no. If I go abroad I can almost guarantee decent weather, better value and an enjoyable holiday. If I stay in the UK I can't be sure of good weather, hotel and even Airbnb prices are poor value for anywhere half decent and eating out (unless I want to spend the whole time eating at 'spoons or Hungry Horses) is at best hit and miss and expensive. I fully understand that I am making a bigger negative impact on the environment by doing what I do, but I usually pay more in taxes on the flights than on the flights themselves. Planes are getting more fuel efficient and squeezing more and more passengers on board these days, so the actual personal impact per person is actually reduced. Like you I can't afford to buy an electric car, can't get to work on public transport and to be honest I'm not fit enough to cycle that far. I agree that something needs to be done, but when your and my carbon footprint is the size that it is and some companies throw out a million times what we do it should not be the likes of us that should be the ones paying. i am not saying that at all but the report clearly indicates a small minority take significantly more flights than others , so what i was sugesting that it whould be that group that should conbtribute somthing to counter the poluttion they create. i agree that companies that generate high levels of poluttion should pay some sort of green tax. on the global stage only when we can get the biggest contributers to pollution signed up to a treaty that is more than empty phrases can we see the kind of changes the planet needs, but equally we can all do our bit even in small ways that can help.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 26, 2019 19:53:06 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/25/1-of-english-residents-take-one-fifth-of-overseas-flights-survey-shows"Just 1% of English residents are responsible for nearly a fifth of all flights abroad, according to previously unpublished statistics. The figures, published in a Department for Transport survey, also reveal that the 10% most frequent flyers in England more than half of all international flights in 2018. However, 48% of the population did not take a single flight abroad in the last year." "The aviation sector accounted for about 7% of the UK’s total greenhouse gas emissions in 2017. It is projected to be the single biggest source of emissions in the UK by 2050 due to the steadily increasing demand for flights." this report just highlights the goverment have got the wrong approach to flying.the only suprise was 48% of did not take a single flight abroad last year.if the goverment wonts to get serious about pollution and air quality it whill need to take some unpopular measuers. i cant afford an electric car and due to health problems i cant cycle and i am limited to how far i can walk but whilst i have a car, when it is feasable i use the bus or train even though our tranport system is awful personally i think we need to change the tax system to how much polution we create. i am not a kill joy and everyon likes a nice holiday in the sun and that some people need to fly with there work ( with skype and means of communicating there are other ways which cause less pollution) but when 1% contribute to 20%of the flights then it needs looking at I take one long haul return flight most years, occasionally two short haul instead. I work bloody hard and so does my wife and we deserve a break. Are you saying that I should endure staycations in the UK instead? Sorry, but no. If I go abroad I can almost guarantee decent weather, better value and an enjoyable holiday. If I stay in the UK I can't be sure of good weather, hotel and even Airbnb prices are poor value for anywhere half decent and eating out (unless I want to spend the whole time eating at 'spoons or Hungry Horses) is at best hit and miss and expensive. I fully understand that I am making a bigger negative impact on the environment by doing what I do, but I usually pay more in taxes on the flights than on the flights themselves. Planes are getting more fuel efficient and squeezing more and more passengers on board these days, so the actual personal impact per person is actually reduced. Like you I can't afford to buy an electric car, can't get to work on public transport and to be honest I'm not fit enough to cycle that far. I agree that something needs to be done, but when your and my carbon footprint is the size that it is and some companies throw out a million times what we do it should not be the likes of us that should be the ones paying. I understand your comments (although couldn't disagree more with your running down of the UK as a holiday destination, but never mind) and I fly occasionally myself and drive and all the rest of it. But if we believe climate change is a real issue and we can't be certain that mankind isn't contributing to it, we have to accept that changes to behaviour are needed and that these might inconvenience us in ways we don't like. Otherwise we really are virtue signalling (and I do hate that phrase). Technology hasn't changed quickly enough (hence electric cars aren't yet within reach to all) to excuse us from having to accept that our lifestyles might have to be different in future. It can't always be down to someone else to do something. That said, I'm not as pessimistic as some. We've seen a far bigger move to renewable energy than we were being told was possible only a few years ago, for example. As long as it's not too little, too late.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 20:39:35 GMT 1
I really don't think focusing on long haul flights, driving and the such, really helps.
It's really about the small changes we can make in our lifestyles that can help.
For example, I'm sat in the dark writing this, and only flush the loo for a number 2....
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Post by Pilch on Sept 27, 2019 1:58:08 GMT 1
one day, when we've all saved the planet and are living happily ever after, we need to work out how to attach a big whopping engine to it (electric one of course) , and just before our sun pops its clogs and takes us with it, we need to head off to find some sun elsewhere , I just hope we've not booked with Thomas Cook
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Post by lynch on Sept 27, 2019 12:24:21 GMT 1
At least the roads were quiet with no school run.
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 27, 2019 12:45:41 GMT 1
one day, when we've all saved the planet and are living happily ever after, we need to work out how to attach a big whopping engine to it (electric one of course) , and just before our sun pops its clogs and takes us with it, we need to head off to find some sun elsewhere , I just hope we've not booked with Thomas Cook I wouldn't worry about it owd lad, by the time this planet is drawing its last breath the 'great and good' will have already found a way to survive and the likes of you and me won't make it on to the list. Why do you think NASA, the Russians and even China and India are developing deep space probes and looking for other potential planets for us to destroy make a new life on? Trumps 'Space Force' is going be at the vanguard if we ever find one.
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Post by smurf on Sept 27, 2019 15:20:09 GMT 1
have a look at ronan& michael connally @connally scientific group, please be aware they may make you feel silly .
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 27, 2019 16:06:21 GMT 1
have a look at ronan& michael connally @connally scientific group, please be aware they may make you feel silly . Well that was five minutes of my life wasted.
A guy in Ireland with about 6 bloody degrees in all sorts of stuff unrelated to meteorology; his missus with 7 degrees in mostly Music and Special Educational Needs and their son with a Phd in Chemistry claiming 97% of the worlds top climate scientists are wrong. OK THEN
What is it with some people on here following barmy Irish climate change deniers? I thought that llewelyn guy earlier in the thread must have been a one off, but to think that there are more out there is actually scary.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 27, 2019 16:20:33 GMT 1
have a look at ronan& michael connally @connally scientific group, please be aware they may make you feel silly . Why would they? What convinces you that they're right and not the vast majority of scientists in this field who would disagree with them? I'm not qualified to make scientific judgments here, are you? If 97% of scientists said "it's fine, there's nothing about the climate to worry us", I'd accept that. But when it's 97% saying the opposite of that, I pay attention to people who know far more than I ever will on the subject, not seek out the odd one or two who'll conveniently tell me what I want to hear. Please feel silly at your leisure.
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Post by smurf on Sept 28, 2019 9:42:43 GMT 1
Where do you get 97% from?
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 28, 2019 10:48:38 GMT 1
Where do you get 97% from?
Enough?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 11:34:17 GMT 1
have a look at ronan& michael connally @connally scientific group, please be aware they may make you feel silly . Genuine question, what makes you believe this over virtually all of science? I'm not being a smart arse I'd really like to know.
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Post by smurf on Sept 28, 2019 18:52:13 GMT 1
All i am saying is think about it,lets get co2 levels down to what level do you want? what is that.
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Post by smurf on Sept 28, 2019 20:13:16 GMT 1
nielsalop you said earlier about coral reefs dying out the great barrier reef by any chance ?
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