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Post by bexplorer on Aug 4, 2023 9:29:52 GMT 1
The problem i think is our inability to identify the reason why we have been struggling for the last three seasons. In my opinion we should revise some old school managerial ideas and concepts First the board couldnt pick the right manager and then managers showed us that their managerial skills are outdated and experience is clearly overvalued especially SC who first four weeks apart is quickly becoming a big headache for club attracting all sorts of problems. A solution could be a change in management structure, in my opinion a coach shouldnt manage because it requires special knowledge which they dont have as we all have seen over the last three, four seasons. All our difficulties have showed old school football doesnt work Wonder who will be responsible for results with the new structure. Its always been manager, but now we have DoF who appoints the head coach. We have been told that MM did a good job at Cheltenham and that was the reason we brought him. I think its Michael Duff we need to give credit to who managed to get them promoted and secured their L1 status. I assume his job is identifying the right head coach, players and sign them. I doubt he can do it better than the chairman. As to players its the head coach who will have to build the team and get the best out of them and it seems we already have worrying signs that things dont go well. As i posted before the amount of injuries tells you about atmosphere inside the dressing room, if you play worse than you could it becomes stressful and tense. Stress and anxiety weaken the immune system and then we get injuries. If you don't believe compare it between top of the table and relegation zone teams. I don't believe in transitional seasons, i believe in transitional people, all managers we had since play-off final have been transitional. It seems club has been reluctant to let wrong managers succeed |
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 4, 2023 9:34:11 GMT 1
First the board couldnt pick the right manager and then managers showed us that their managerial skills are outdated and experience is clearly overvalued especially SC who first four weeks apart is quickly becoming a big headache for club attracting all sorts of problems. A solution could be a change in management structure, in my opinion a coach shouldnt manage because it requires special knowledge which they dont have as we all have seen over the last three, four seasons. All our difficulties have showed old school football doesnt work Wonder who will be responsible for results with the new structure. Its always been manager, but now we have DoF who appoints the head coach. We have been told that MM did a good job at Cheltenham and that was the reason we brought him. I think its Michael Duff we need to give credit to who managed to get them promoted and secured their L1 status. I assume his job is identifying the right head coach, players and sign them. I doubt he can do it better than the chairman. As to players its the head coach who will have to build the team and get the best out of them and it seems we already have worrying signs that things dont go well. As i posted before the amount of injuries tells you about atmosphere inside the dressing room, if you play worse than you could it becomes stressful and tense. Stress and anxiety weaken the immune system and then we get injuries. If you don't believe compare it between top of the table and relegation zone teams. I don't believe in transitional seasons, i believe in transitional people, all managers we had since play-off final have been transitional. It seems club has been reluctant to let wrong managers succeed Think MM was quoted last year as saying he was proud Cheltenham weren't in the relegation zone all year. I’d be happy with that although it puts him under pressure to achieve it. My point he took credit for avoiding the relegation zone so in my mind he’s responsible. It’s his job to get the best out of the manager having chosen him. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 4, 2023 9:35:41 GMT 1
I'll think you'll find too many already have knives sharpened and they are not fussy who they stick them in , their one and only benchmark is 12th no matter how much jeopardy it previously put the club in
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 4, 2023 10:08:35 GMT 1
I'll think you'll find too many already have knives sharpened and they are not fussy who they stick them in , their one and only benchmark is 12th no matter how much jeopardy it previously put the club in 🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪 You're discounting the majority in the middle, the ones who respect the great job SC did and also want the new setup to be a roaring success as well. That said, if we're bottom four and scrapping for our lives, a number of questions will be asked and rightly so; though in my opinion all the heat should be on RW, not the new setup. Some point to the chairmans financial statement but I don't for one second believe it in its entirety. The budget hasn't been cut and that's quite obvious, it just looks to have just been spread; it was just a convenient reason to break ties with the previous regime in my opinion. The beauty of the game is opinions, the season is nearly upon us so fingers crossed! |
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Post by block12massive on Aug 4, 2023 10:10:16 GMT 1
I'll think you'll find too many already have knives sharpened and they are not fussy who they stick them in , their one and only benchmark is 12th no matter how much jeopardy it previously put the club in 🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪 You're discounting the majority in the middle, the ones who respect the great job SC did and also want the new setup to be a roaring success as well. That said, if we're bottom four and scrapping for our lives, a number of questions will be asked and rightly so; though in my opinion all the heat should be on RW, not the new setup. Some point to the chairmans financial statement but I don't for one second believe it in its entirety. The budget hasn't been cut and that's quite obvious, it just looks to have just been spread; it was just a convenient reason to break ties with the previous regime in my opinion. The beauty of the game is opinions, the season is nearly upon us so fingers crossed! Don't confuse the man with nuance and logic. It'll blow his mind. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 4, 2023 12:08:59 GMT 1
You're discounting the majority in the middle, the ones who respect the great job SC did and also want the new setup to be a roaring success as well. That said, if we're bottom four and scrapping for our lives, a number of questions will be asked and rightly so; though in my opinion all the heat should be on RW, not the new setup. Some point to the chairmans financial statement but I don't for one second believe it in its entirety. The budget hasn't been cut and that's quite obvious, it just looks to have just been spread; it was just a convenient reason to break ties with the previous regime in my opinion. The beauty of the game is opinions, the season is nearly upon us so fingers crossed! Don't confuse the man with nuance and logic. It'll blow his mind. When I said ALL your posts are about me I wasn't joking, very sad and worrying As for the opinion I've made , time will tell But I'll be right as usual 😝 |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 4, 2023 12:28:46 GMT 1
I'll think you'll find too many already have knives sharpened and they are not fussy who they stick them in , their one and only benchmark is 12th no matter how much jeopardy it previously put the club in 🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪 You're discounting the majority in the middle, the ones who respect the great job SC did and also want the new setup to be a roaring success as well. That said, if we're bottom four and scrapping for our lives, a number of questions will be asked and rightly so; though in my opinion all the heat should be on RW, not the new setup. Some point to the chairmans financial statement but I don't for one second believe it in its entirety. The budget hasn't been cut and that's quite obvious, it just looks to have just been spread; it was just a convenient reason to break ties with the previous regime in my opinion. The beauty of the game is opinions, the season is nearly upon us so fingers crossed! I'm certainly not , i said too many, not the vast majority , time will tell |
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 4, 2023 12:51:43 GMT 1
You're discounting the majority in the middle, the ones who respect the great job SC did and also want the new setup to be a roaring success as well. That said, if we're bottom four and scrapping for our lives, a number of questions will be asked and rightly so; though in my opinion all the heat should be on RW, not the new setup. Some point to the chairmans financial statement but I don't for one second believe it in its entirety. The budget hasn't been cut and that's quite obvious, it just looks to have just been spread; it was just a convenient reason to break ties with the previous regime in my opinion. The beauty of the game is opinions, the season is nearly upon us so fingers crossed! I'm certainly not , i said too many, not the vast majority , time will tell I'm not sure I've seen that many negatives and that many ready to pounce on failure? I've seen a few pesemistic viewpoints, but that can't be discounted as we've gone from top half and experience to the unknown; that said it could end up being far better yet! |
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Post by hectord0g137 on Aug 4, 2023 16:49:44 GMT 1
It will all be fine.....honestly......I think....don't stress etc.etc.etc oi mind the ice berg
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Post by Mortgagehound on Aug 4, 2023 17:14:54 GMT 1
I'm concerned....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2023 17:34:16 GMT 1
Let's hope we get off to a winning start tomorrow...that will help to settle some nerves.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Aug 4, 2023 17:44:42 GMT 1
Don’t we usually lose our first home game most seasons?
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Post by Valerioch on Aug 4, 2023 18:01:01 GMT 1
Don’t we usually lose our first home game most seasons? It has become an occurrence in recent (three) seasons (I blame nasty Steve), but there’s no longer term problem there I can think of plenty of opening day home wins too in the last 10/12 years (Bradford, Northampton, Portsmouth) |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 4, 2023 19:31:40 GMT 1
Don’t we usually lose our first home game most seasons? It has become an occurrence in recent (three) seasons (I blame nasty Steve), but there’s no longer term problem there I can think of plenty of opening day home wins too in the last 10/12 years (Bradford, Northampton, Portsmouth) last 2 starts to the season have been the same under Stevie , played 5 , scored in 1 game and the played 5 , scored in 1 game |
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Post by bexplorer on Aug 15, 2023 12:59:56 GMT 1
At this stage of the season Its obvious that all fans want to know where the team is in terms of form, what to expect in the next games. We read reports, watch games, interviews, listen to expert's on radio, one of those i remember suggested we give SC 3 year contract at the end of last season. Reading reports you might think we did well getting three points and showing promising performance against big hitters Leads. Needless to say that you want correct analysis of your performances otherwise all you do on the training ground might not lead to your desirable level of play. We beat Cheltenham who lost all games so far, and then we go and get narrowly beat by big club Leads to find out that they struggle themselves with one point in two games. We thought we were good but in reality we were not and i don't think extra day of rest for Stevenage is the reason. In the last few campaigns we were not good enough against bottom sides with last season being exeption which is one of reasons we finished 12th apart from the fact that we probably had one of most expensive starting XI in league as experienced manager to get results desided to resort to a trick by spending 18th league budget on only around dozen of players.
By the way guess what clubs among established in L1 haven't been in the play- offs last five seasons, it's Shrewsbury Town and Burton, who haven't scored a single goal this season, an easy game for us in theory but we will see if staff can draw the right conclusions after Saturday
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Post by bexplorer on Sept 8, 2023 9:59:38 GMT 1
don't see any difference in team selection between current and previous manager, and style of football is pretty much the same. Late subs, the same team week in week out.
We didn't knew that Sobowale was a good player, it took him 10 minutes to show it against Lincoln what was obvious to many except head coach. It looks only injuries and suspension make him change starting XI.
We heard a lot from both MM and MT about creating a path for academy youngsters into the first team but reality is different as i think they use every opportunity to get rid of young players. There have been many in the last few seasons who we could develop and sell on for bigger fees and invest in infrastructure and wages. Losing young talent to bigger clubs for peanuts is being sold as a good thing, no doubt that happens when managers don't see themselves at the club for a long period of time. Was expecting more from MM in that area which backs my initial opinion about him as someone overrated.
The level of our opposition so far have been similar to that of six months ago when we won six games, what happened after that at the end of the season we all know.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Sept 8, 2023 14:37:33 GMT 1
I'm still concerned.....
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 8, 2023 15:29:21 GMT 1
Don't be, I'm sure Roland has pulled off another managerial appointment masterstroke.... But this time he did have help from Mickey Moore.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 8, 2023 19:37:38 GMT 1
don't see any difference in team selection between current and previous manager, and style of football is pretty much the same. Late subs, the same team week in week out. We didn't knew that Sobowale was a good player, it took him 10 minutes to show it against Lincoln what was obvious to many except head coach. It looks only injuries and suspension make him change starting XI. We heard a lot from both MM and MT about creating a path for academy youngsters into the first team but reality is different as i think they use every opportunity to get rid of young players. There have been many in the last few seasons who we could develop and sell on for bigger fees and invest in infrastructure and wages. Losing young talent to bigger clubs for peanuts is being sold as a good thing, no doubt that happens when managers don't see themselves at the club for a long period of time. Was expecting more from MM in that area which backs my initial opinion about him as someone overrated. The level of our opposition so far have been similar to that of six months ago when we won six games, what happened after that at the end of the season we all know. I agree about Sobowale, but he was likely injured for Fleetwood, and came on late at Carlisle, maybe still not fit, of course if they are valid excuses there cant be one if he doesn't start next week my worries are still the midfield, I shouted it out after coventry & Notts County games, and got battered for it, ive shouted it ever since, kenneh is wasted sitting so deep, its like having 6 at the back, and Perry, jeez I would love egg on my face anytime soon with him showing us a performance, the annoying thing is we could have the 2 best midfielders in the division already in our side, winchester and udoh, I might have convinced myself about this but I'd love to see it happen all the same my opinion of Taylor at the moment is he is very much like Alex Ferguson  , ok just in the way where he continued to play his son Darren week after week in hope that one day he had a good game and Alex could say "there told you so", but it never happened , I think all managers do it to a certain extent but come on change it if its obvious its not happening anytime soon, even Simpson had to ditch Jake ;-) |
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Post by bexplorer on Oct 4, 2023 11:13:29 GMT 1
The level of our opposition so far have been similar to that of six months ago when we won six games, what happened after that at the end of the season we all know. Shropshire Star report says Shrewsbury Town would give anything for a goal right now ,well i don't think a goal would stop our run of bad results. We need a long term solution, we've changed a structure, but to expect it to work right from the off is a bit unrealistic, we have to make a second step, then a third. But without putting a proper diagnosis to our long term problem on the pitch would only extend crisis We have been struggling for the sixth consecutive season, we've had all types of managers but results have always been the same, so a question could be is their skills, experience work at Town, are they best qualified for the job |
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Post by bexplorer on Oct 31, 2023 9:23:55 GMT 1
The level of our opposition so far have been similar to that of six months ago when we won six games, what happened after that at the end of the season we all know. We need a long term solution, we've changed a structure, but to expect it to work right from the off is a bit unrealistic, we have to make a second step, then a third. Any structure needs right people in charge something we haven't had for the sixth season in a row. It doesn't mean PH was the right manager because before and after leaving Town he didn't get results similar to that made at the club when we were top of the league for months. No wonder he failed in alI competitions and left the way he left otherwise he could become a club legend which would be nonsence because average managers don't become legends. I think he's an average at best manager and results were given to him to show us what is possible and to get fans and club more ambitious. If an average manager gets the club to the Wembley imagine what would be achieved under the right people... only automatic promotion and not play offs. That would be the second step in our restructuring --- bring right people. Already said before, Cheltenham progress was down to Michael Duff, not MM who appointed both Wade Elliott and Mat Taylor, head coaches whose teams just can't score goals for months. It's obvious he has turned wine back into water and shouldn't keep showing us what he's capable of. When we get to the Championship we will need more funds to pay bigger wages, to keep season ticket prices and many other things. The only reliable source of income in our current environment when there is no big business or potentially bigger fan base is i think developing and selling players. That would be part of the third step in our restructuring. We all know that head coaches and managers will never allow club sell players in demand and as a result we lose good players for free or for peanuts just because manager didn't bother extending their contracts. They talk a lot about long term future of the club but never do what they say, because they don't see themselves that long at the club and most likely they don't care that much as they are the ones who have the tools to do that, so the third step would also include depriving head coaches the right to ban selling players and to keep the system going successfully we need to be very actively recruiting as i believe there are many talented youngsters and experienced good age players in L1, and L2, we just need to recruit well in advance before selling our players and develop them by giving them confidence and game time |
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 31, 2023 9:38:29 GMT 1
We need a long term solution, we've changed a structure, but to expect it to work right from the off is a bit unrealistic, we have to make a second step, then a third. Cheltenham progress was down to Michael Duff, not MM who appointed both Wade Elliott and Mat Taylor, head coaches whose teams just can't score goals for months. It's obvious he has turned wine back into water and shouldn't keep showing us what he's capable of. I've called it early on another thread, but you're spot on here. Micky Moore will be found out for being nothing more than an incompetent fraud; what remains is how long it'll take and how many coaches we'll rinse through before RW realises. |
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Post by rickyspanish on Oct 31, 2023 10:07:24 GMT 1
Cheltenham progress was down to Michael Duff, not MM who appointed both Wade Elliott and Mat Taylor, head coaches whose teams just can't score goals for months. It's obvious he has turned wine back into water and shouldn't keep showing us what he's capable of. I've called it early on another thread, but you're spot on here. Micky Moore will be found out for being nothing more than an incompetent fraud; what remains is how long it'll take and how many coaches we'll rinse through before RW realises. Incompetent fraud 😳. |
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Post by bexplorer on Nov 10, 2023 9:33:02 GMT 1
we already have worrying signs that things dont go well. As i posted before the amount of injuries tells you about atmosphere inside the dressing room, if you play worse than you could it becomes stressful and tense. Stress and anxiety weaken the immune system and then we get injuries. The amount of injuries is the sign that things are not ok in the dressing room and to let MT bring new additions doesn't make sense as it's because of him we have so many injuries and with all medical bills and upcoming transfer window we are in a risk of overspending once again while he's in charge It may not yet be time to sack the head coach but the question is will we be ready when it comes? Why not start the process now so by the time we have decided to part ways with our head coach we have a replacement as we know it could take weeks to get a new management in place. No point in keeping MM too as i said before he' isn't better than the chairman in selection process. |
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 10, 2023 9:34:36 GMT 1
we already have worrying signs that things dont go well. As i posted before the amount of injuries tells you about atmosphere inside the dressing room, if you play worse than you could it becomes stressful and tense. Stress and anxiety weaken the immune system and then we get injuries. The amount of injuries is the sign that things are not ok in the dressing room and to let MT bring new additions doesn't make sense as it's because of him we have so many injuries and with all medical bills and upcoming transfer window we are in a risk of overspending once again while he's in charge It may not yet be time to sack the head coach but the question is will we be ready when it comes? Why not start the process now so by the time we have decided to part ways with our head coach we have a replacement as we know it could take weeks to get a new management in place. No point in keeping MM too as i said before he' isn't better than the chairman in selection process. Probably in the top 10 most ridiculous posts I've seen on the board in a long time. |
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Post by bexplorer on Dec 30, 2023 15:17:03 GMT 1
A couple of reasons why we have been struggling last three, four seasons. First the board couldnt pick the right manager and then managers showed us that their managerial skills are outdated and experience is clearly overvalued especially SC who first four weeks apart is quickly becoming a big headache for club attracting all sorts of problems. A solution could be a change in management structure, in my opinion a coach shouldnt manage because it requires special knowledge which they dont have as we all have seen over the last three, four seasons. All our difficulties have showed old school football doesnt work for us anymore Our current situation is the result of decisions we took in the last seasons and where will we finish depends on the decision we are going to take in the next days and weeks. I said before that MM wasn't better than the chairman in that area and results of his work we've seen too many times. And our decisions depend on our understanding, what we think about football, how open we are to new ideas, if things don't improve we need to see what is it that we do wrong . A new structure can't get results for MT, any structure needs right people in charge, if it doesn't work from the first try it doesn't mean we should ditch it and get back to old ways especially if they don't work for decades |
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Post by bexplorer on Jan 22, 2024 9:50:37 GMT 1
When SC struggled to finish well in the first and second season nobody suggested we ditch old school management methods and start a new way of doing things, instead we heard we needed to spend more, bring good players , proven goalscorer, that is keep doing the same thing over and over again. Has it worked? Six seasons, four managers, Askey and Ricketts were doing well before coming to Town, then experienced manager that fans wanted made it even worse , they have all failed and still people trying to go down the same route. I wonder if there are fans who tried to use outdated technology devices in their everyday life, it would be impossible no matter how hard you try
As to PH, even if he left the way fans would have liked it wouldn't bring the result we had. People think that managers and players are like biorobots who have predetermined level of performance and all you need to do is bring , buy or attract them by offering better conditions. Since he left he contributed to relegation of three clubs, we'd better ask Ipswich and Sc***horpe fans what they think about PH to have a better picture. I said at the time that he was given results, otherwise he wouldn't have failed at Ipswich and maybe have become an established Championship manager.
About Duff i said he was a good manager, but that was at Cheltenham and Barnsley a season or two ago. Looks like he hasn't had luck recently As i said they are not biorobots to deliver results whenever you need them. We need to be careful with what MM wants to bring. Just one promotion made him " successful" DoF, but now we are more experienced in that field as we know his last two appointments can score goals once a month at best and also he's famous in bringing injury prone future stars
Unfortunately we mainly come up with easy solutions while solving difficult issues. You can't solve a complex problem using a simplistic method and i think that has been the reason we've been struggling for seasons
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Post by bexplorer on Apr 13, 2024 12:21:47 GMT 1
When SC struggled to finish well in the first and second season nobody suggested we ditch old school management methods and start a new way of doing things As to PH, even if he left the way fans would have liked it wouldn't bring the result we had. People think that managers and players are like biorobots who have predetermined level of performance. Since he left he contributed to relegation of three clubs, we'd better ask Ipswich and Sc***horpe fans what they think about PH to have a better picture. I said at the time that he was given results, otherwise he wouldn't have failed at Ipswich and maybe have become an established Championship manager. Many say PH's teams are fit and that he needs his own players and a pre-season and then finally we will see how good he is as a manager. Well, he had all that at Ipswich, in PH they probably saw someone who could help them to get back up to PL as they had 12th, 16th, 7th and 6th finishes in four previous seasons before PH came. He left them rock bottom with W1 D6 L7, 9 pts from 14 games and 7,1% win ratio. His next job was at Sc***horpe, they got relegated from L1, had full pre season, probably L1 players. Got sacked with the club in 16th, W8 D9 L13, 33 pts after 30 games, 26% win ratio. The same year he returns to Grimsby who were 22nd in L2 and three points above relegation places. Finishes 24th, 23 points from 25 games W5 D8 L12, 20% win ratio. Town is his fourth club since leaving in 2018, every club ends up relegated with or without him in charge. Previous manager was fan's favourite and ruined club financially, current manager might finish off football wise. Conclusion: as i posted before support the club first, not the manager |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2024 14:13:21 GMT 1
When SC struggled to finish well in the first and second season nobody suggested we ditch old school management methods and start a new way of doing things As to PH, even if he left the way fans would have liked it wouldn't bring the result we had. People think that managers and players are like biorobots who have predetermined level of performance. Since he left he contributed to relegation of three clubs, we'd better ask Ipswich and Sc***horpe fans what they think about PH to have a better picture. I said at the time that he was given results, otherwise he wouldn't have failed at Ipswich and maybe have become an established Championship manager. Many say PH's teams are fit and that he needs his own players and a pre-season and then finally we will see how good he is as a manager. Well, he had all that at Ipswich, in PH they probably saw someone who could help them to get back up to PL as they had 12th, 16th, 7th and 6th finishes in four previous seasons before PH came. He left them rock bottom with W1 D6 L7, 9 pts from 14 games and 7,1% win ratio. His next job was at Sc***horpe, they got relegated from L1, had full pre season, probably L1 players. Got sacked with the club in 16th, W8 D9 L13, 33 pts after 30 games, 26% win ratio. The same year he returns to Grimsby who were 22nd in L2 and three points above relegation places. Finishes 24th, 23 points from 25 games W5 D8 L12, 20% win ratio. Town is his fourth club since leaving in 2018, every club ends up relegated with or without him in charge. Previous manager was fan's favourite and ruined club financially, current manager might finish off football wise. Conclusion: as i posted before support the club first, not the manager Surely you give the manager 100% support whilst he's in charge? I'm guessing that you have no confidence in Paul Hurst? |
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Post by Pilch on Apr 14, 2024 12:05:22 GMT 1
heres a stat for you, I dont think there isn't a town fan out there who would not take 2 away defeats at bolton & Charlton combined with a win v orient
can just picture it now, last game , fans singing 'Paul hurst barmy army, hurst the hero, saviour and all that
currently points per game
Matty Taylor 28 games - 30 points points per game 1.07
Paul Hurst 15 games - 16 points points per game 1.06. ( worse that Taylor )
if hurst manages just 3 more points, he will end on 1.05 ( worse that Taylor )
if hurst manages 4 points from the remaining game he will finish better than Taylor with 1.11
strange how the fans gave the one guy nothing but abuse but worship the other
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, ok just in the way where he continued to play his son Darren week after week in hope that one day he had a good game and Alex could say "there told you so", but it never happened , I think all managers do it to a certain extent but come on change it if its obvious its not happening anytime soon, even Simpson had to ditch Jake ;-)
