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Post by martinshrew on Jun 6, 2022 11:45:33 GMT 1
Its not a secret that misdiagnosis never lead to correct treatment, but thats what has been happening for the last four seasons. Looks like SC will be given another chance to fail in January and someday we will have to pay for not learning the lesson. I think we can expect more of the same from SC, another disappointing transfer window, small squad, not many pre- season games. I dont question him as a coach but i'm just not impressed by his managerial skills and recruitment approach. We've always been a club that gives a chance to young and up-and- coming players from lower leagues but these days we sign more PL or Championship and its no wonder they are not easy to bring to a constantly struggling L1 side, especially young players when they know the manager prefers experience and can play the same starting XI for months. His treatment of young players is quite worrying. Chapman for me has a PL potential and he didn't sign him, we could extend Ogbeta and then sell him for much more. Tom Bloxham was one of our best players in the first part of the season but when Bowman got back from injury Tom didn't play much, very little in the second part of the season. Many will say he has improved Udoh, Leahy, well i think Udoh always had that potential, the problem is he didn't have enough game time in the previous seasons and Leahy had a good season before coming to Town. We all know that trust of the manager improves players and the lack of it makes them worse then they really are and we have a manager who doesn't trust half the squad You are deluded. For starters Bloxham is 18 and has scored a couple of goals in 20+ appearances, why should he start? Secondly, you point about signing players from PL/Championship only is nonsense. Pennington - PL Marosi - CH Bennett - CH Flanagan - L1 Nurse - L2 Leahy - L2 Bowman - L2 Thirdly, Chapman that Burton didn't play regular, we didn't play regular and Blackburn don't want is potential PL player? Come off it. Fourth, the manager prefers experience? There was only Davis, Bennett & Whalley over 30 in the entire squad? Again, completely untrue. Fifth, your point about Udoh? Udoh has vastly improved, whether that's Cotterill, Wilbraham or somebody else, it's clear he's been coached better and the manager deserves credit for seeing potential and extending his deal. Sixth, the manager doesn't trust half the squad? Again that's wrong, he doesn't trust Daniels, Pyke or Pierre, all who have either gone backwards or not improved in their time with us. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 11:59:02 GMT 1
Its not a secret that misdiagnosis never lead to correct treatment, but thats what has been happening for the last four seasons. Looks like SC will be given another chance to fail in January and someday we will have to pay for not learning the lesson. I think we can expect more of the same from SC, another disappointing transfer window, small squad, not many pre- season games. Perhaps we should wait and see before jumping to conclusions? |
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Post by shrewder on Jun 6, 2022 12:01:11 GMT 1
I think we can expect more of the same from SC, another disappointing transfer window, small squad, not many pre- season games. I dont question him as a coach but i'm just not impressed by his managerial skills and recruitment approach. We've always been a club that gives a chance to young and up-and- coming players from lower leagues but these days we sign more PL or Championship and its no wonder they are not easy to bring to a constantly struggling L1 side, especially young players when they know the manager prefers experience and can play the same starting XI for months. His treatment of young players is quite worrying. Chapman for me has a PL potential and he didn't sign him, we could extend Ogbeta and then sell him for much more. Tom Bloxham was one of our best players in the first part of the season but when Bowman got back from injury Tom didn't play much, very little in the second part of the season. Many will say he has improved Udoh, Leahy, well i think Udoh always had that potential, the problem is he didn't have enough game time in the previous seasons and Leahy had a good season before coming to Town. We all know that trust of the manager improves players and the lack of it makes them worse then they really are and we have a manager who doesn't trust half the squad You are deluded. For starters Bloxham is 18 and has scored a couple of goals in 20+ appearances, why should he start? Secondly, you point about signing players from PL/Championship only is nonsense. Pennington - PL Marosi - CH Bennett - CH Flanagan - L1 Nurse - L2 Leahy - L2 Bowman - L2 Thirdly, Chapman that Burton didn't play regular, we didn't play regular and Blackburn don't want is potential PL player? Come off it. Fourth, the manager prefers experience? There was only Davis, Bennett & Whalley over 30 in the entire squad? Again, completely untrue. Fifth, your point about Udoh? Udoh has vastly improved, whether that's Cotterill, Wilbraham or somebody else, it's clear he's been coached better and the manager deserves credit for seeing potential and extending his deal. Sixth, the manager doesn't trust half the squad? Again that's wrong, he doesn't trust Daniels, Pyke or Pierre, all who have either gone backwards or not improved in their time with us. Seventh. How can it be a disappointing transfer window when it's no where near closed |
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 6, 2022 12:20:26 GMT 1
You are deluded. For starters Bloxham is 18 and has scored a couple of goals in 20+ appearances, why should he start? Secondly, you point about signing players from PL/Championship only is nonsense. Pennington - PL Marosi - CH Bennett - CH Flanagan - L1 Nurse - L2 Leahy - L2 Bowman - L2 Thirdly, Chapman that Burton didn't play regular, we didn't play regular and Blackburn don't want is potential PL player? Come off it. Fourth, the manager prefers experience? There was only Davis, Bennett & Whalley over 30 in the entire squad? Again, completely untrue. Fifth, your point about Udoh? Udoh has vastly improved, whether that's Cotterill, Wilbraham or somebody else, it's clear he's been coached better and the manager deserves credit for seeing potential and extending his deal. Sixth, the manager doesn't trust half the squad? Again that's wrong, he doesn't trust Daniels, Pyke or Pierre, all who have either gone backwards or not improved in their time with us. Seventh. How can it be a disappointing transfer window when it's no where near closed It's not even open is it? 😂 |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 6, 2022 12:32:17 GMT 1
Seventh. How can it be a disappointing transfer window when it's no where near closed It's not even open is it? 😂 didn't we sign a player from coventry weeks ago ? |
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 6, 2022 12:33:08 GMT 1
It's not even open is it? 😂 didn't we sign a player from coventry weeks ago ? Pre-agreed, although I doubt his contract will start until July 1st. |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 6, 2022 12:38:42 GMT 1
i think you can sign players at any time , playing them is another matter
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 6, 2022 13:07:12 GMT 1
Let's wait and see what happens, might be pleasantly surprised this season.his last year, so think we're gonna have a good go at it
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 6, 2022 13:19:19 GMT 1
Transfer window opens on Friday, we’ve already signed a player. Don’t think anybody can criticise Cotterill for the lack of signings at the moment.
I’d expect us to make some signings in the last 3 weeks of June.
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Post by bexplorer on Jun 13, 2022 15:33:34 GMT 1
It's almost seven weeks from our last game and we have only signed one player. But in this post i would like to review last season. A poor start and second disappointing finish to the season in a row makes me think the start could be as bad as a year ago. A few good results and a mini run in mid season saved club from the drop, but it's
really worrying to see the same pattern in this team, from mid March until mid September last year we had a underwhelming results and recruitment and it might happen again this season. Football is not reputation-based business, we need to be more critical and ambitious as i'm not sure SC has learnt the lesson
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 13, 2022 16:06:23 GMT 1
It's almost seven weeks from our last game and we have only signed one player. But in this post i would like to review last season. A poor start and second disappointing finish to the season in a row makes me think the start could be as bad as a year ago. A few good results and a mini run in mid season saved club from the drop, but it's really worrying to see the same pattern in this team, from mid March until mid September last year we had a underwhelming results and recruitment and it might happen again this season. Football is not reputation-based business, we need to be more critical and ambitious as i'm not sure SC has learnt the lesson lol |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 13, 2022 16:54:23 GMT 1
in all competitions the experienced cotterill has managed the town 90 times Win 28. 31.1% Draw 24. 26.66% Lose 38 42.22% compare that to the useless inexperienced boring waste of space with had the time before him  96 games Win 28. 29.16 % Draw 34. 35.41% Lose 34 35.41 % |
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Post by belfastshrew on Jun 13, 2022 19:36:59 GMT 1
If i say that we are going to have a thread-bare squad again next season, made up of desperate last minute buys... then things can only get better right? Haha
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Post by shrewder on Jun 14, 2022 5:30:16 GMT 1
It's almost seven weeks from our last game and we have only signed one player. But in this post i would like to review last season. A poor start and second disappointing finish to the season in a row makes me think the start could be as bad as a year ago. A few good results and a mini run in mid season saved club from the drop, but it's really worrying to see the same pattern in this team, from mid March until mid September last year we had a underwhelming results and recruitment and it might happen again this season. Football is not reputation-based business, we need to be more critical and ambitious as i'm not sure SC has learnt the lesson One question. How often did you attend Shrewsbury matches last season? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2022 7:12:45 GMT 1
in all competitions the experienced cotterill has managed the town 90 times Win 28. 31.1% Draw 24. 26.66% Lose 38 42.22% compare that to the useless inexperienced boring waste of space with had the time before him 96 games Win 28. 29.16 % Draw 34. 35.41% Lose 34 35.41 % My take from that post is that Ricketts had an awful record as manager and Cotterill's spell hasn't been much better which based on our league positions under him isn't exactly a major revelation. And if the season starts like last season started (and finished) then the fans will be on his back. |
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 14, 2022 7:58:31 GMT 1
in all competitions the experienced cotterill has managed the town 90 times Win 28. 31.1% Draw 24. 26.66% Lose 38 42.22% compare that to the useless inexperienced boring waste of space with had the time before him 96 games Win 28. 29.16 % Draw 34. 35.41% Lose 34 35.41 % Took us from rock bottom, kept us up and then secured safely with plenty of games to spare last season. This is the season he'll be judged, and rightly so. I think we'll finish somewhere between 11th and 15th. |
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Post by bexplorer on Jul 10, 2022 13:47:20 GMT 1
I think we can expect more of the same from SC, another disappointing transfer window, small squad, not many pre- season games. I dont question him as a coach but i'm just not impressed by his managerial skills and recruitment approach. We've always been a club that gives a chance to young and up-and- coming players from lower leagues but these days we sign more PL or Championship You are deluded. For starters Bloxham is 18 and has scored a couple of goals in 20+ appearances, why should he start? Secondly, you point about signing players from PL/Championship only is nonsense. Pennington - PL Marosi - CH Bennett - CH Flanagan - L1 Nurse - L2 Leahy - L2 Bowman - L2 I think we were going to see another shambolic transfer window. SC never made it secret of his transfer approach: good players or nobody, two consecutive poor windows are the proof of that. He's been holding the club for ransom, but it all changed after an alarm sounded by fans and media that put pressure on the board and subsequently caused reaction from the chairman that enabled us to sign so many players in a very short period of time. So i think it's down to the fans that SC has been finally backed like no one else before because in him we have someone who doesn't believe in his own abilities of developing players and at the moment it seems the only way for him to try to avoid relegation battle this season. No more excuses, it's time to live up to the expectations and start well right from the off
By the way Nurse was Bristol City player and 5 of the 6 that we've brought are from Championship
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Post by shrewder on Jul 10, 2022 13:56:04 GMT 1
You are deluded. For starters Bloxham is 18 and has scored a couple of goals in 20+ appearances, why should he start? Secondly, you point about signing players from PL/Championship only is nonsense. Pennington - PL Marosi - CH Bennett - CH Flanagan - L1 Nurse - L2 Leahy - L2 Bowman - L2 I think we were going to see another shambolic transfer window. SC never made it secret of his transfer approach: good players or nobody, two consecutive poor windows are the proof of that. He's been holding the club for ransom, but it all changed after an alarm sounded by fans and media that put pressure on the board and subsequently caused reaction from the chairman that enabled us to sign so many players in a very short period of time. So i think it's down to the fans that SC has been finally backed like no one else before because in him we have someone who doesn't believe in his own abilities of developing players and at the moment it seems the only way for him to try to avoid relegation battle this season. No more excuses, it's time to live up to the expectations and start well right from the off
By the way Nurse was Bristol City player and 5 of the 6 that we've brought are from Championship
Not a ball kicked yet in anger and as usual you post a load of codswallop. As I concluded a very long time ago, you are not a Town supporter and have probably never been to any of their matches. You are clearly just a nutty WUM. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 10, 2022 14:08:29 GMT 1
in all competitions the experienced cotterill has managed the town 90 times Win 28. 31.1% Draw 24. 26.66% Lose 38 42.22% compare that to the useless inexperienced boring waste of space with had the time before him 96 games Win 28. 29.16 % Draw 34. 35.41% Lose 34 35.41 % "that's the spirit", carry on putting our old manager on a pedestal "and concentrate on the" Steve Cotterill "witch-hunt ". |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2022 14:09:37 GMT 1
You are deluded. For starters Bloxham is 18 and has scored a couple of goals in 20+ appearances, why should he start? Secondly, you point about signing players from PL/Championship only is nonsense. Pennington - PL Marosi - CH Bennett - CH Flanagan - L1 Nurse - L2 Leahy - L2 Bowman - L2 I think we were going to see another shambolic transfer window. SC never made it secret of his transfer approach: good players or nobody, two consecutive poor windows are the proof of that. He's been holding the club for ransom, but it all changed after an alarm sounded by fans and media that put pressure on the board and subsequently caused reaction from the chairman that enabled us to sign so many players in a very short period of time. So i think it's down to the fans that SC has been finally backed like no one else before because in him we have someone who doesn't believe in his own abilities of developing players and at the moment it seems the only way for him to try to avoid relegation battle this season. No more excuses, it's time to live up to the expectations and start well right from the off
By the way Nurse was Bristol City player and 5 of the 6 that we've brought are from Championship
Genuine question. Do you actually support the Town? If so, you have a funny way of showing it. |
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Post by shrewder on Jul 10, 2022 14:16:58 GMT 1
I think we were going to see another shambolic transfer window. SC never made it secret of his transfer approach: good players or nobody, two consecutive poor windows are the proof of that. He's been holding the club for ransom, but it all changed after an alarm sounded by fans and media that put pressure on the board and subsequently caused reaction from the chairman that enabled us to sign so many players in a very short period of time. So i think it's down to the fans that SC has been finally backed like no one else before because in him we have someone who doesn't believe in his own abilities of developing players and at the moment it seems the only way for him to try to avoid relegation battle this season. No more excuses, it's time to live up to the expectations and start well right from the off
By the way Nurse was Bristol City player and 5 of the 6 that we've brought are from Championship
Genuine question. Do you actually support the Town? If so, you have a funny way of showing it. Think he is probably Billy no mates and revels in the attention he gets. |
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Post by Pilch on Jul 10, 2022 14:53:08 GMT 1
in all competitions the experienced cotterill has managed the town 90 times Win 28. 31.1% Draw 24. 26.66% Lose 38 42.22% compare that to the useless inexperienced boring waste of space with had the time before him 96 games Win 28. 29.16 % Draw 34. 35.41% Lose 34 35.41 % "that's the spirit", carry on putting our old manager on a pedestal "and concentrate on the" Steve Cotterill "witch-hunt ". if you look closely at those fairly balanced accurate figures you'll see my stats show cotterill has the biggest win percentage, stick to hunting the tories, you won't catch me ;-) |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 10, 2022 23:14:15 GMT 1
You are deluded. For starters Bloxham is 18 and has scored a couple of goals in 20+ appearances, why should he start? Secondly, you point about signing players from PL/Championship only is nonsense. Pennington - PL Marosi - CH Bennett - CH Flanagan - L1 Nurse - L2 Leahy - L2 Bowman - L2 I think we were going to see another shambolic transfer window. SC never made it secret of his transfer approach: good players or nobody, two consecutive poor windows are the proof of that. He's been holding the club for ransom, but it all changed after an alarm sounded by fans and media that put pressure on the board and subsequently caused reaction from the chairman that enabled us to sign so many players in a very short period of time. So i think it's down to the fans that SC has been finally backed like no one else before because in him we have someone who doesn't believe in his own abilities of developing players and at the moment it seems the only way for him to try to avoid relegation battle this season. No more excuses, it's time to live up to the expectations and start well right from the off
By the way Nurse was Bristol City player and 5 of the 6 that we've brought are from Championship
"We have someone who doesnt beleive in his own abilities of developing players..." I suppose our top goalscorer last season has slipped your mind, as has a youngster in Bloxham who looks like good work in progress and will hopefully improve further this season. Never mind, you think what you want to. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 11, 2022 8:29:24 GMT 1
"that's the spirit", carry on putting our old manager on a pedestal "and concentrate on the" Steve Cotterill "witch-hunt ". if you look closely at those fairly balanced accurate figures you'll see my stats show cotterill has the biggest win percentage, stick to hunting the tories, you won't catch me ;-) Great to see that you have researched and found that Cotterill has the biggest win percentage. Now he has your support, it's onwards and upwards with Steve! |
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Post by bexplorer on Jul 29, 2022 10:40:27 GMT 1
Regarding first team management what we've seen so far is Cotterill's reputation working for him which leaves us in a quite dependable situation. Inexperienced SR managed to get the club to the second best finish and a couple of good FA Cup runs, but it's SC who has had the backing of the chairman and trust of the fans. That's what reputation does, it helps you win time, get better players and have fans and club more patient. But since PH left we're not a "small club" anymore. The whole meaning of the PH season was to raise expectations, nothing more, that's why he failed at the final hurdle and left the way he left because wrong man can't be a legend. Many think the reason we struggle eversince is lack of investment. I think old school is our problem, outdated manager's knowledge, lack of understanding how football works, inability to read results and performances.
As to our current manager need to remind that 20 months on and after resent backing we shouldn't buy the same old excuses anymore.
From the end of August we could start seeing the real SC and then we might need a plan B
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 29, 2022 10:44:13 GMT 1
Regarding first team management what we've seen so far is Cotterill's reputation working for him which leaves us in a quite dependable situation. Inexperienced SR managed to get the club to the second best finish and a couple of good FA Cup runs, but it's SC who has had the backing of the chairman and trust of the fans. That's what reputation does, it helps you win time, get better players and have fans and club more patient. But since PH left we're not a "small club" anymore. The whole meaning of the PH season was to raise expectations, nothing more, that's why he failed at the final hurdle and left the way he left because wrong man can't be a legend. Many think the reason we struggle eversince is lack of investment. I think old school is our problem, outdated manager's knowledge, lack of understanding how football works, inability to read results and performances. As to our current manager need to remind that 20 months on and after resent backing we shouldn't buy the same old excuses anymore. From the end of August we could start seeing the real SC and then we might need a plan B Your most balanced post yet, I'm glad your change of medication was successful. |
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Post by shrewder on Jul 29, 2022 12:25:46 GMT 1
Regarding first team management what we've seen so far is Cotterill's reputation working for him which leaves us in a quite dependable situation. Inexperienced SR managed to get the club to the second best finish and a couple of good FA Cup runs, but it's SC who has had the backing of the chairman and trust of the fans. That's what reputation does, it helps you win time, get better players and have fans and club more patient. But since PH left we're not a "small club" anymore. The whole meaning of the PH season was to raise expectations, nothing more, that's why he failed at the final hurdle and left the way he left because wrong man can't be a legend. Many think the reason we struggle eversince is lack of investment. I think old school is our problem, outdated manager's knowledge, lack of understanding how football works, inability to read results and performances. As to our current manager need to remind that 20 months on and after resent backing we shouldn't buy the same old excuses anymore. From the end of August we could start seeing the real SC and then we might need a plan B Ok so who should the club be getting as manager? You don't know do you? You never have the guts to reply to any questions put to you. You are basically just a Billy no mates WUM. |
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Post by bexplorer on Aug 15, 2022 8:46:12 GMT 1
Three leagues games in, my first impression is that we're on a good mini run which might last until the end of August. After that performances should drop significantly, home form will not be good enough, bottom two, injuries, suspensions, late goals, poor referring
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 15, 2022 9:03:27 GMT 1
Three leagues games in, my first impression is that we're on a good mini run which might last until the end of August. After that performances should drop significantly, home form will not be good enough, bottom two, injuries, suspensions, late goals, poor referring Try to enjoy the run. Cheer up, the significant performance drop might never happen. We might even see this year's "ghost" players, O'Brien and Bennett. Success in August might feed success in September. |
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Post by shrewder on Aug 15, 2022 9:10:47 GMT 1
Three leagues games in, my first impression is that we're on a good mini run which might last until the end of August. After that performances should drop significantly, home form will not be good enough, bottom two, injuries, suspensions, late goals, poor referring Your such a sour grapes. |
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