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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2010 21:51:04 GMT 1
I'm puzzled by the assertion that the act of remembrance has been politicised. For me it's about remembering those members of my family who died in both world wars and also those members of our armed forces who have been killed doing their duty as instructed by democratically elected governments. The act of remembrance does not indicate approval of government policy, it honours those killed in the service of their country, so I don't understand how it can be characterised as political. Top post, I do not associate remembrance day and the poppy with victories in war in the past or the current controversial conflicts, just the people who have fought and made the ultimate sacrifice. Particuarly in the two world wars where people had little choice For the argument that they the whole thing has become politicised, I would ask 1) Who has done this? 2) Just because some people see it as a political issue, does that mean that everybody should?
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Post by blum on Nov 16, 2010 21:51:28 GMT 1
Vencermos, you say that a EDL march is threatening whereas the burning of the poppy is something that can be easily ignored. Basically its that attitude which is causing people to join those EDL march's. When we see something that is sacred to many people in our country (of all religions) being burnt Id say we have a pretty good case of being angry about it. If you arent particuarly bothered about it then your perfectly entitled to feel that way but many people feel strongly about it. You say why should we be offended by burning of flags or poppies but by the same token why should the world bend over backwards when some idiot pastor threatens to burn a koran ? There's nothing "sacred" about the poppy. I'm not being disrespectful in saying that, just pointing out that it has no religious symbolism. It has become highly politicised in recent years though That's why, for the first time, I chose not to wear one this year. I still paid my respects and always would but the increasing glorification of the military is not something with which I want to be associated. You seem to think I don't want to offend another culture but I don't mind members of another culture offending us. You miss the point. If an "idiot pastor" burns a koran and it's widely reported, we know what's very likely to happen next. Someone loses their life at the hands of a barbarian incapable of interpreting the koran in the peaceful way that most of its exponents do. Is that a price worth paying? No, so stop the idiot pastor (or stop the reporting, which is harder). If some people burn some poppies a lot of people will be offended, I understand that. But no-one's likely to get killed. And we're grown up enough to live with occasionally being offended, aren't we? That's a compliment to the British people. The poppy politicised??? I think not. It is used as a symbol to remember the war dead, it is sold by the Royal British Legion to provide funds for ex service men and women and their families. It's a symbol of Britishness. People seem to be missing the point though. You are saying so what, we might be offended by it because in your opinion it's politicised!! Sorry but to me that is tosh. Like i have said before, if they dont want to be here then send them back to their motherland where they can fall under the strict muslim code, let them burn poppies over there but doing it here at this time of year is both insulting and disgusting. It might not be to some of you but it is to me..
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Post by indyinamerica on Nov 17, 2010 0:04:06 GMT 1
The poppy isnt just a symbol of rememberance for the Great War, it is now synonymous with all of our war dead from whatever conflict. I have an opinion, whether it's right or wrong I dont personally care. Had Hitler done a few things differently (mainly listen to his field marshalls and generals) the Germans might well have won the war. He was already preparing Europe for Germanification and IMO he wouldnt have stopped there. He saw many races as inferior and wanted the face of the planet rid of them, would he have continued into Asia? I bet he would, dont forget he was allied to the Japanese. Therefore again IMO these Flipers should be upholding the poppy for allowing them the freedom they enjoy. If they dont like it here (and I dont give a flying f**k that they were born here) they should get the next plane, train or boat and p**s off back to the lands and religious extremism they want to promote here. When I see banners saying British soldiers burn in hell, Islam will rule the world BLAH BLAH it makes my stomach churn... As far as I am concerned if they want a proper fight then great, but no!!!! they just do what cowards do, they hide in the shadows with bombs to kill innocent people. Sorry but personally I have had enough and many more people are starting to say the same.. Totally agree Blum. Your post says everything I feel. I am all for tolerance but there is a limit and actions such as these cross a line. I don't know what that makes me, but I don't really care either. As I said earlier, the student who p!ssed on a war memorial is just as despicable IMO.
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Post by SY3 on Nov 17, 2010 0:32:15 GMT 1
Top posts indyinamerica and blum, i wholeheartedly agree with you.
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Post by SY3 on Nov 17, 2010 0:36:43 GMT 1
people have been spouting the "rivers of blood" carp for 50 years, when do you think they are going to happen? There was quite a lot of blood spilt during the 7/7 bombings, and yes matron the perpetrators were muslims - what a surpise. I bet you say 'i can't confirm whether the perpetrators were muslim or not, as i am not an expert on this topic'.
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Post by brumshrew on Nov 17, 2010 0:38:37 GMT 1
I think the late great bill hicks summed this issue up nicely when talking about a similar incident in the usa where a stars and stripes flag was burnt. In response to a shout of "my daddy died for that flag" bill retorted "your daddy didn't die for that flag. He died for what that flag represents which is the freedom to burn that flag."
Just ignore it or turn the other cheek if you like. They're allowed to do it because this is a civilized country where we don't lock people up because of their political views. That's what our ancestors died for and we should all be proud of it.
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Post by scooter on Nov 17, 2010 1:48:17 GMT 1
people have been spouting the "rivers of blood" carp for 50 years, when do you think they are going to happen? There was quite a lot of blood spilt during the 7/7 bombings, and yes matron the perpetrators were muslims - what a surpise. I bet you say 'i can't confirm whether the perpetrators were muslim or not, as i am not an expert on this topic'. there is too much blood spilled everywhere, but i recall plenty of acts of terrorism and murder in London, Birmingham, Manchester and all over N Ireland that were nothing to do with muslims, but were supposedly in the name of religion After some of the terible things that happen all over the world this really is an over reaction
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2010 7:25:12 GMT 1
[ There was quite a lot of blood spilt during the 7/7 bombings, and yes matron the perpetrators were muslims - what a surpise. I bet you say 'i can't confirm whether the perpetrators were muslim or not, as i am not an expert on this topic'. i believe they where Muslims, but, again, i fail to see how that is even remotely relevant to the discussion. does the taking of life by people who follow a particular faith or religion mean that religion is evil or flawed? does it mean that everyone who follows that faith is some how an evil lunatic waiting to spread chaos and destruction?
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Post by Shrewed on Nov 17, 2010 8:30:38 GMT 1
Top Posts from Scooter and Matron.
Unfortunately many of the conflicts in the world over the years have been caused by religous bigotry. Equally in times of economic troubles societies find any excuse to blame other sections of society for all their woes. In past times it was the Jews then the Blacks and now the Muslims in Italy and France its the Romanies.
It is time that all people pulled together to defeat the extremists whatever colour their skin or religion.
Britain is reknowned as a tolerant society we allow people to express their views whether they are from the right or the left. Long may that carry, on once we stop fellow citizens from expressing their views we will no longer be the Britain my father and Grandfather fought for in two World WArs.
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Post by Amsterdammer on Nov 17, 2010 9:09:25 GMT 1
[ There was quite a lot of blood spilt during the 7/7 bombings, and yes matron the perpetrators were muslims - what a surpise. I bet you say 'i can't confirm whether the perpetrators were muslim or not, as i am not an expert on this topic'. i believe they where Muslims, but, again, i fail to see how that is even remotely relevant to the discussion. does the taking of life by people who follow a particular faith or religion mean that religion is evil or flawed? does it mean that everyone who follows that faith is some how an evil lunatic waiting to spread chaos and destruction? Agree. But other than the last sentence I also agree with blums post above. My main issue on this subject is the labelling the poppy burning against all muslims. I have a muslim colleague whose family is originally from Morocco. How can she be labelled with the same brush as these idiots burning poppies? No more than a christian can be "blamed" for the killing of muslims in Bosnia. These guys are plain and simply extremists. And there will always be people with extremist views that differ from our own, that's part of living in any society not just a multi-faith, multi-cultural one. The more you worry about the extremes the more you breed paranoia and fear. That's exactly what they want. If that makes me a lefty, so be it.
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Post by blum on Nov 17, 2010 10:47:26 GMT 1
Well summed up Amsterdammer, I fully agree with ths. My view point is, and it's not for us to stop free expression, but they way in which it is done. Of course not all Muslims are extremists, like not all people from Northern & Southern Ireland were/are in the IRA/UDF etc.
The Islamic fundamentalists want Islamic laws in this country (look at the campaigns and their banners), that is never going to happen (EVER), if these people want to practice these laws and they know full well they aren't going to get them here then surely they should be repatriated to lands where they can live within that code. If they want to do it here then as long as they keep it in their communities then so be it, however, would there be an outcry if a woman who is raped is stoned to death or tortured for not covering their face outside a mosque on a Friday morning? Of course there would. If any of you have visited or worked in towns and cities which are becoming predominently muslim controlled (and yes there are places where Muslims are forced to vote in extremist councillors and MP's) then you will see how the face of Britain is changing. I'm all for mulit culturism, I have great friends who are Indian, Taiwanise (?), French and Dutch, I think it is good for the country but they go about their daily lives in a civilised manner, adhere to the laws and the well being of the land.
The rise in membership of the EDL for example is no coincidence to the rise in Islamic exremism and IMO there will be a serious incident happening in the near future.
It's not scare mongering (Scoot) it's going to happen, look at how many foiled terror plots involve "British" Muslims, some of these proposed " dry runs" would make 9/11 & 7/7 pale into insignificance.
I cant really add any more, it's my own personal view, I'm not right wing whatsoever but I love my country (many know I am a complete royalist) and personally I worry that allowing such shows of "free speach" pours petrol on a smouldering fire.
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Post by SY3 on Nov 17, 2010 11:55:17 GMT 1
Well summed up Amsterdammer, I fully agree with ths. My view point is, and it's not for us to stop free expression, but they way in which it is done. Of course not all Muslims are extremists, like not all people from Northern & Southern Ireland were/are in the IRA/UDF etc. The Islamic fundamentalists want Islamic laws in this country (look at the campaigns and their banners), that is never going to happen (EVER), if these people want to practice these laws and they know full well they aren't going to get them here then surely they should be repatriated to lands where they can live within that code. If they want to do it here then as long as they keep it in their communities then so be it, however, would there be an outcry if a woman who is raped is stoned to death or tortured for not covering their face outside a mosque on a Friday morning? Of course there would. If any of you have visited or worked in towns and cities which are becoming predominently muslim controlled (and yes there are places where Muslims are forced to vote in extremist councillors and MP's) then you will see how the face of Britain is changing. I'm all for mulit culturism, I have great friends who are Indian, Taiwanise (?), French and Dutch, I think it is good for the country but they go about their daily lives in a civilised manner, adhere to the laws and the well being of the land. The rise in membership of the EDL for example is no coincidence to the rise in Islamic exremism and IMO there will be a serious incident happening in the near future. It's not scare mongering (Scoot) it's going to happen, look at how many foiled terror plots involve "British" Muslims, some of these proposed " dry runs" would make 9/11 & 7/7 pale into insignificance. I cant really add any more, it's my own personal view, I'm not right wing whatsoever but I love my country (many know I am a complete royalist) and personally I worry that allowing such shows of "free speach" pours petrol on a smouldering fire. Cracking post - i can certainly relate to that - you're on top form fella.
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Post by Shrewed on Nov 17, 2010 14:31:39 GMT 1
Well summed up Amsterdammer, I fully agree with ths. My view point is, and it's not for us to stop free expression, but they way in which it is done. Of course not all Muslims are extremists, like not all people from Northern & Southern Ireland were/are in the IRA/UDF etc. The Islamic fundamentalists want Islamic laws in this country (look at the campaigns and their banners), that is never going to happen (EVER), if these people want to practice these laws and they know full well they aren't going to get them here then surely they should be repatriated to lands where they can live within that code. If they want to do it here then as long as they keep it in their communities then so be it, however, would there be an outcry if a woman who is raped is stoned to death or tortured for not covering their face outside a mosque on a Friday morning? Of course there would. If any of you have visited or worked in towns and cities which are becoming predominently muslim controlled (and yes there are places where Muslims are forced to vote in extremist councillors and MP's) then you will see how the face of Britain is changing. I'm all for mulit culturism, I have great friends who are Indian, Taiwanise (?), French and Dutch, I think it is good for the country but they go about their daily lives in a civilised manner, adhere to the laws and the well being of the land. The rise in membership of the EDL for example is no coincidence to the rise in Islamic exremism and IMO there will be a serious incident happening in the near future. It's not scare mongering (Scoot) it's going to happen, look at how many foiled terror plots involve "British" Muslims, some of these proposed " dry runs" would make 9/11 & 7/7 pale into insignificance. I cant really add any more, it's my own personal view, I'm not right wing whatsoever but I love my country (many know I am a complete royalist) and personally I worry that allowing such shows of "free speach" pours petrol on a smouldering fire. I have never read such worrying rubbish. For a start where are these predominately muslim controlled cities and towns? If there are surely that is down to "white" people not voting and if the majority are muslims then you would expect a proportion of the council to be muslims. I have not heard of any council that has declared UDI and brought in sharia law. Where are the extremist MP's who are muslim? Where is the evidence that the membership of organisation's with a racist agenda increasing? Remember only 18 months ago 2 BNP members were elected to european parliament. You may not be old enough to remember Enoch Powells "Rivers of Blood" speech and that was over 40 years ago and as yet we remain a tolerant society. Lets be honest what you are talking about are a few Muslims who like the IRA and the UDA are terrorists who have little regard for who they are killing. It is time that people got a degree of perspective are we going to let a few extreme muslim destroy our reputation for tolerance.
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Post by venceremos on Nov 17, 2010 14:48:22 GMT 1
I think the late great bill hicks summed this issue up nicely when talking about a similar incident in the usa where a stars and stripes flag was burnt. In response to a shout of "my daddy died for that flag" bill retorted "your daddy didn't die for that flag. He died for what that flag represents which is the freedom to burn that flag." Just ignore it or turn the other cheek if you like. They're allowed to do it because this is a civilized country where we don't lock people up because of their political views. That's what our ancestors died for and we should all be proud of it. Exactly. Anyone that doesn't understand this distinction doesn't really understand free speech and democracy. If you can't tolerate being offended by someone else's views, you don't really want democracy and that goes for anyone (white, black, Christian, Muslim, liberal lefty, looney righty). As Churchill said when he was kicked out of office straight after the war - "well I guess that's what we were fighting for".
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Post by venceremos on Nov 17, 2010 15:06:41 GMT 1
I'm puzzled by the assertion that the act of remembrance has been politicised. For me it's about remembering those members of my family who died in both world wars and also those members of our armed forces who have been killed doing their duty as instructed by democratically elected governments. The act of remembrance does not indicate approval of government policy, it honours those killed in the service of their country, so I don't understand how it can be characterised as political. Top post, I do not associate remembrance day and the poppy with victories in war in the past or the current controversial conflicts, just the people who have fought and made the ultimate sacrifice. Particuarly in the two world wars where people had little choice For the argument that they the whole thing has become politicised, I would ask 1) Who has done this? 2) Just because some people see it as a political issue, does that mean that everybody should? I don't mean it's party political, left v right or any such thing. What I mean is that, where I've always worn a poppy as an act of remembrance (and still observed the 2 minutes on Sunday morning for that purpose), this year I felt uncomfortable about wearing one. I can't say exactly why that was. Maybe it's something to do with the way everyone on TV for the past month has worn one, including foreign visitors, as though they're automatically pinned on as they go in front of a camera. Jon Snow refused to do so and that became a news item. Why would that be unless there was an element of coercion? It might be different if we weren't fighting a war now. Sometimes it seems as though we salve our consciences about our troops dying (and killing) and being maimed (and maiming) simply by wearing a poppy. It doesn't seem to me to be enough. And I don't want Remembrance Day to become just another calendar event - buy a poppy and that's it. To me, the most shocking and disrespectful aspect of remembrance this year wasn't the poppy burning. It was the reported survey that something like 1/3 of people questioned thought it was OK to observe the 2 minutes' silence while emailing or texting. To me that's not remembrance, that's indifference, but you could hide behind a poppy and that would be acceptable.
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Post by blum on Nov 17, 2010 17:15:18 GMT 1
Well summed up Amsterdammer, I fully agree with ths. My view point is, and it's not for us to stop free expression, but they way in which it is done. Of course not all Muslims are extremists, like not all people from Northern & Southern Ireland were/are in the IRA/UDF etc. The Islamic fundamentalists want Islamic laws in this country (look at the campaigns and their banners), that is never going to happen (EVER), if these people want to practice these laws and they know full well they aren't going to get them here then surely they should be repatriated to lands where they can live within that code. If they want to do it here then as long as they keep it in their communities then so be it, however, would there be an outcry if a woman who is raped is stoned to death or tortured for not covering their face outside a mosque on a Friday morning? Of course there would. If any of you have visited or worked in towns and cities which are becoming predominently muslim controlled (and yes there are places where Muslims are forced to vote in extremist councillors and MP's) then you will see how the face of Britain is changing. I'm all for mulit culturism, I have great friends who are Indian, Taiwanise (?), French and Dutch, I think it is good for the country but they go about their daily lives in a civilised manner, adhere to the laws and the well being of the land. The rise in membership of the EDL for example is no coincidence to the rise in Islamic exremism and IMO there will be a serious incident happening in the near future. It's not scare mongering (Scoot) it's going to happen, look at how many foiled terror plots involve "British" Muslims, some of these proposed " dry runs" would make 9/11 & 7/7 pale into insignificance. I cant really add any more, it's my own personal view, I'm not right wing whatsoever but I love my country (many know I am a complete royalist) and personally I worry that allowing such shows of "free speach" pours petrol on a smouldering fire. I have never read such worrying rubbish. >>> Your opinion For a start where are these predominately muslim controlled cities and towns? If there are surely that is down to "white" people not voting and if the majority are muslims then you would expect a proportion of the council to be muslims. I have not heard of any council that has declared UDI and brought in sharia law. Where are the extremist MP's who are muslim? >>> I watched Dispatches this year where it showed cities where Muslims were cajoled and pressured into voting for chosen candidates supplied by the MCB & the MAB - Each of these organisations when questions did not entirely condemn extremism, they suggested it was a case of safeguarding Muslim culture (dont tell me what I did or didnt watch). In the prgramme a number of people voted into office had very shady backgrounds and were proven (yes proven) to have been involved or funded anti western activities. I will see if I can find the name of the documentary, you should watch it, it might cloud the rose tinted glasses. This article explains bits of it. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1556368/Muslim-organisations-in-Britain.htmlWhere is the evidence that the membership of organisation's with a racist agenda increasing? Remember only 18 months ago 2 BNP members were elected to european parliament. >>> I didnt say organisations (read it properly and dont exagerate) I said the EDL. I know for a FACT that their numbers are increasing as well as the number of groups within it... I know this because I know at least 6 people who have joined this year and they all know others who have joined (and before you say anything I am not in that number) You may not be old enough to remember Enoch Powells "Rivers of Blood" speech and that was over 40 years ago and as yet we remain a tolerant society. >>> Again irrelavent - Even if I wasnt old enough to remember this speech does that mean I am not intelligent enough to read political history? Lets be honest what you are talking about are a few Muslims who like the IRA and the UDA are terrorists who have little regard for who they are killing. >>> Isnt that the whole point here??? We arent talking about the IRA, we're discussing MUSLIM extremists burning poppies. Just remember there were 4 (a few) 7/7 bombers. Even one in the right place can cause devestation so that is a flawed comment. It is time that people got a degree of perspective are we going to let a few extreme muslim destroy our reputation for tolerance. >>>> Poppycock IMO, I know let's turn the other cheek and ignore them!!! Stiff upper lip and all that. >>>> I'm not even going to agree to disagree. You know what you know, I know what I know.. EOS
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Post by nicko on Nov 17, 2010 17:34:14 GMT 1
Thing is with the Telegraph it has its own right wing agenda. MCN and MAB aren't the first, or the last, political activist group to pressurise people into voting for a vested interest. Anyhow if people feel strongly enough they can always support this group. www.ex-muslim.org.uk/indexMembers.htmlI would also like to know which towns and cities are controlled by Muslims.
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Post by Shrewed on Nov 17, 2010 18:41:09 GMT 1
I have never read such worrying rubbish. >>> Your opinion For a start where are these predominately muslim controlled cities and towns? If there are surely that is down to "white" people not voting and if the majority are muslims then you would expect a proportion of the council to be muslims. I have not heard of any council that has declared UDI and brought in sharia law. Where are the extremist MP's who are muslim? >>> I watched Dispatches this year where it showed cities where Muslims were cajoled and pressured into voting for chosen candidates supplied by the MCB & the MAB - Each of these organisations when questions did not entirely condemn extremism, they suggested it was a case of safeguarding Muslim culture (dont tell me what I did or didnt watch). In the prgramme a number of people voted into office had very shady backgrounds and were proven (yes proven) to have been involved or funded anti western activities. I will see if I can find the name of the documentary, you should watch it, it might cloud the rose tinted glasses. This article explains bits of it. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1556368/Muslim-organisations-in-Britain.htmlWhere is the evidence that the membership of organisation's with a racist agenda increasing? Remember only 18 months ago 2 BNP members were elected to european parliament. >>> I didnt say organisations (read it properly and dont exagerate) I said the EDL. I know for a FACT that their numbers are increasing as well as the number of groups within it... I know this because I know at least 6 people who have joined this year and they all know others who have joined (and before you say anything I am not in that number) You may not be old enough to remember Enoch Powells "Rivers of Blood" speech and that was over 40 years ago and as yet we remain a tolerant society. >>> Again irrelavent - Even if I wasnt old enough to remember this speech does that mean I am not intelligent enough to read political history? Lets be honest what you are talking about are a few Muslims who like the IRA and the UDA are terrorists who have little regard for who they are killing. >>> Isnt that the whole point here??? We arent talking about the IRA, we're discussing MUSLIM extremists burning poppies. Just remember there were 4 (a few) 7/7 bombers. Even one in the right place can cause devestation so that is a flawed comment. It is time that people got a degree of perspective are we going to let a few extreme muslim destroy our reputation for tolerance. >>>> Poppycock IMO, I know let's turn the other cheek and ignore them!!! Stiff upper lip and all that. >>>> I'm not even going to agree to disagree. You know what you know, I know what I know.. EOS I'm afraid you have provided no evidence of extremist muslim MP or councillors and no evidence of a towns or city which are becoming predominently muslim controlled. Like a city where the majority of the council are muslims. All major organisations have groups that lobby parliament, I suggest you look at the strength of the Jews lobby as just one example. The point about racist organisation is that many ex members of the BNP have now joined the EDL. The Labour Party has enrolled close on 50,000 new members since May. So the EDL are a tiny minority. 4 is a small number you are right, how many were there that planted the Birmingham Pub bombs or the Enniskillen bomb one maybe 2. I am not suggesting turn the other cheek I'm saying stop branding 2,000,000 British Muslims because of what a few hundred say. Its like branding all Town fan hooligans because of the actions of 5 or 6 EBF.
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Post by neilsalop on Nov 17, 2010 20:51:45 GMT 1
Maybe there a few Muslims burning poppies as retaliation for our (and US) troops burning fields full of 'em in Afghanistan. I am not suggesting turn the other cheek I'm saying stop branding 2,000,000 British Muslims because of what a few hundred say. Its like branding all Town fan hooligans because of the actions of 5 or 6 EBF. If you look at some of the treatment handed out by the Old Bill over the last few years, it becomes obvious that some people do believe that anyone suporting the Town is a hooligan. It's about time we had a bloody good debate on B&A, there has hardly been a wasted post so far (except for heavenly of course, but he doesn't count). In my opinion these (and I hesitate to use the word) people are a disgrace to the vast majority of Muslims and all the Muslims that have laid down their lives for this country. They are nothing more than scum and if they hate this country so much, maybe they should sod off to somewhere that respects their veiws and allows them to express them whenever and wherever they wish to. Oh they just happen to already be in one of the few countries that actually allows this. In that case just sod off to some country where any free speech is forbidden and hatred of the symbols of freedom that many have fought and died for would be severely punished.
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Post by blum on Nov 17, 2010 22:33:21 GMT 1
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Post by stockportershrew on Nov 17, 2010 22:56:54 GMT 1
Are you sure that's right Blum? The last census suggested that the muslim population of England & Wales was just over 3%. The highest density of Muslim populations was in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets I believe which was around 37%. Nowhere can I find evidence that Muslims outnumber so called indigenous people in towns and cities unless you break it down into specific smaller districts & even then it is likely to be a handful of areas.
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Post by Shrewed on Nov 17, 2010 23:39:07 GMT 1
Could you please explain who is exfl are and what there expertise is?
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Post by blum on Nov 18, 2010 1:19:30 GMT 1
All I know is that these people assisted in the making of the Dispatches programme, I hadnt heard of them previously, why would I? My point is about the title of this thread, you have consistantly cajoled me, are you trying to say I am a racist maybe? They tell the same story as the Times but in blunter terms (January 30th 2009): Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society' Richard Kerbaj
The Muslim population in Britain has grown by more than 500,000 to 2.4 million in just four years, according to official research collated for The Times.
The population multiplied 10 times faster than the rest of society, the research by the Office for National Statistics reveals. In the same period the number of Christians in the country fell by more than 2 million.
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It is quite clear that many people are happy for extremists to promote violence on the streets.
Stockportshrew, I do agree that at the moment it may well be certain areas within towns and cities but with the population explosion taking place across Britain it doesnt take a scientist to realise that eventually the numbers will be alarming. Just take a visit to somewhere like Oldham, Burnley, Bradford, Huddersfield and certain parts of London. I think you will also find that most of these places have a great deal of control by Muslim leaders. The Dispatches documentary highlighted the fact that some had been helped there by the IFE.
Hope2010 What I dont like (and the whole point of my input into this thread) is the fact that extremists can preach hate, burn the Union Flag, burn poppies (knowing what it means to people) and protest in places like Wooton Bassett when our dead are brought home. If you're okay with this then good on ya! It's a free country after all.
As I've already said this is my opinion, and you nor anyone else will ever make me feel differently. You keep believing in what you want, and i'll do the same.
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Post by venceremos on Nov 18, 2010 1:27:16 GMT 1
It is quite clear that many people are happy for extremists to promote violence on the streets. Do you really think so? I can't remember anyone on this thread having that view. What have I missed?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 7:22:08 GMT 1
It is quite clear that many people are happy for extremists to promote violence on the streets. Im not, as far as im concerned anyone who does should feel the full force of the law. no more and no less. What I dont like (and the whole point of my input into this thread) is the fact that extremists can preach hate, burn the Union Flag, burn poppies (knowing what it means to people) and protest in places like Wooton Bassett when our dead are brought home. If you're okay with this then good on ya! It's a free country after all. what i dont like is a whole religion and culture being vilified because of the actions of a tiny minority. it wouldnt happen with any other religion. as i have pointed out previous, the catholic community of britain was not cast out because of the terrible actions of a few extremists so why the Muslim community?
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Post by d00bie on Nov 18, 2010 12:58:03 GMT 1
Just maybe slightly off topic but there is a Daily Mail story that leads with: By 2066, white Britons 'will be outnumbered' if immigration continues at current rates. I don't want to highlight that article as I believe it's not 100% accurate (well it is the Mail) But I read this article a bit further down Link------> Muslim threat on Facebook to 12 year old And thought thank **** I live in Shrewsbury and not somewhere like Coventry.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 13:04:57 GMT 1
I saw the murders that have taken place in Shrewsbury recently and thought thank god I live in Birmingham and not Shrewsbury...
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Nov 18, 2010 13:12:57 GMT 1
Just maybe slightly off topic but there is a Daily Mail story that leads with: By 2066, white Britons 'will be outnumbered' if immigration continues at current rates. I don't want to highlight that article as I believe it's not 100% accurate (well it is the Mail) But I read this article a bit further down Link------> Muslim threat on Facebook to 12 year old And thought thank **** I live in Shrewsbury and not somewhere like Coventry. We dont need to worry about stoies like this,matron and others have told us everything will be ok. I am sure those making the threats against that lad will grow up to be model British citizens.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Nov 18, 2010 13:13:52 GMT 1
I saw the murders that have taken place in Shrewsbury recently and thought thank god I live in Birmingham and not Shrewsbury... Ant to be honest that is the most stupid thing you have posted on B&A
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Post by SY3 on Nov 18, 2010 13:29:12 GMT 1
I saw the murders that have taken place in Shrewsbury recently and thought thank god I live in Birmingham and not Shrewsbury... Ant to be honest that is the most stupid thing you have posted on B&A It does worry me and depress me hearing stories like this. Far lefties are just as dangerous as anyone imo, just seem so blinkered. It's quite funny that two of the frequent posters on this thread who see no problem with mass COLONIZATION[glow=red,2,300][/glow] in Britain according to their profiles are based in Holland and Germany. Thats a long long way from good ol' Smethwickstan.
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