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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 17:55:51 GMT 1
Paul this is a family site and as such I need to be careful how I describe the EDL but yes I do believe they are extremist and racist and if it wasn't the muslims they would find another group to vent their spleen on. Ed my personal opinion is that some individuals/a small group of people in Luton were not happy with seeing British soldiers heckled and abused by a group of extreme muslims. They therefore decided to set up a group to march through Luton to show their anger and opposition towards this. That march was successful (Im sure some people will argue with that) so it was decided to march in other towns and cities. The group has grown but ultimately has become tagged as yet another right wing group. The EDL try and portray themselves as a multi race and faith group whose one goal is to protest against extreme muslims. However I agree thats very, very debatable. My personal opinion is that the original march/point wasnt racist however things have grown and grown and sooner or later the EDL will implode as you have the original supporters trying to keep them respectable and people who have joined the group who clearly have different agendas. As much as people want to blame the EDL for these extremist muslim groups, I think its a bit of a cop-out. Isnt it more to do with Iraq & Afghanistan than a bunch of blokes having a sing song and fighting with the police on a Saturday afternoon
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Post by venceremos on Nov 19, 2010 18:39:13 GMT 1
Its difficult to see what the starting point is for increased integration - reduced sympathy for extremism would certainly be a start, as would protests at memorial services/the return of british forces. Schools which have 65%+ Muslim children cant help integration either of the youngest generation. People have pointed out previously that no towns/cities/boroughs are mainly Muslim so why are the schools? Edit to say: To hope2010 - So thats only 32,000 Muslims in the UK who would be proud of an Al-Qaeda relative, and that reassures you?!?!?! Maybe a good starting point would be recognising that a minority can't integrate with the majority unless that majority meets it along the way. The things you say would be a start are all one sided. Are you suggesting that, until the very small minority of muslims that in any way condone terrorism change their minds and condemn it, there's no possibility of integration? Think you'll be waiting a long time and nothing will get better while you do. If the vast majority of peaceful muslims feel integrated, not discriminated against, not threatened by racist marching groups, not treated as though they don't belong here etc, then integration will be much quicker and the idiot Islamist minority will vanish. But that's easier said than done - when people on this thread have talked of "rivers of blood" and immigration "floodgates" opening, it's hard to be encouraged by the prospects for integration. And what's the alternative - repatriation? It can't be a one way street, I know that much. As for those 4 year old poll statistics (when I think we were still fighting in Iraq as well as Afghanistan), I think a poll in Catholic or Protestant communities in Northern Ireland in the 1970s and 1980s would have come up with far more shocking results. Is there a muslim equivalent of the collections that used to be taken in pubs for IRA/Loyalist paramilitary funding? Do they routinely collect for Al Qaeda in the mosques? Does Al Qaeda run a criminal organisation in this country to fund paramilitary activity? Not that I'm aware, but that was part of everyday life in parts of this country for a long time and may still continue on a lesser scale. That sort of activity ingrained in the muslim community simply doesn't exist but would be far more worrying than what a few people answered to some poll questions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2010 10:37:40 GMT 1
[. Is there a muslim equivalent of the collections that used to be taken in pubs for IRA/Loyalist paramilitary funding? . not to mention high level funding from groups and some rather famous individuals in "the land of the free".
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