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Post by SY3 on Nov 16, 2010 11:59:06 GMT 1
My point about the Chinese is the fact they moved over here in large numbers similar to the muslims. Do we see the Chinese causing us problems, jeering our troops and burning poppies on British soil? - i certainly haven't seen it. Perhaps if we'd invaded and occupied Taiwan or Malaysia, we might have seen a different side to our Chinese community, so that's hardly a good analogy. why on earth do we want peope here who have no respect for what we stand for, our way of life and our history? Could you explain what it is you think "we stand for, our way of life and our history"? I thought it was an Island nation made up of an ever changing mix of 'races', that once had a huge empire that influences the lives of billions of people even today and as a result attracts many of its former subjects to work and live here. Afghanistan was invaded due to Al Queida (or however you spell it) harboring and trianing up terrorists to attack our lands. Many of them are considered Bristish muslims too who were raised and educated on British soil. Have the British Chinese, Taiwanese or Malaysian communities started terrorist camps on foreign lands to attack Britain - i don't think they have, so on that basis what you've said isn't so great. Also do the Chinese et al, have terroroist cells to harm the western world in Britiain? i certianly haven't heard of or seen them. Answering your what is our way of life and history question. Well i agree that other cultures and people with different religions are welcome here, and i think it's a good thing when controlled. My argument is that surely it can't be a good thing when it is introduced on mass, when especially our religions, values and beliefs clash so much. Other religions don't seem to cause much hassle - the majority of the problems come from the muslim community. Our beliefs are so different to their it's unreal so t is bound to cause tension in the long run. Ok our history - your probably waiting to line up the whole ice age argument blah blah blah. I am focusing on the present, and our history doesn't suggest to me that we should encourage and welcome the barbaric sharia law or people that disrespect our troops and heritage.
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Post by Amsterdammer on Nov 16, 2010 12:56:49 GMT 1
Have the British Chinese, Taiwanese or Malaysian communities started terrorist camps on foreign lands to attack Britain - i don't think they have, so on that basis what you've said isn't so great. Also do the Chinese et al, have terroroist cells to harm the western world in Britiain? i certianly haven't heard of or seen them. Answering your what is our way of life and history question. Well i agree that other cultures and people with different religions are welcome here, and i think it's a good thing when controlled. My argument is that surely it can't be a good thing when it is introduced on mass, when especially our religions, values and beliefs clash so much. Other religions don't seem to cause much hassle - the majority of the problems come from the muslim community. Our beliefs are so different to their it's unreal so t is bound to cause tension in the long run. Ok our history - your probably waiting to line up the whole ice age argument blah blah blah. I am focusing on the present, and our history doesn't suggest to me that we should encourage and welcome the barbaric sharia law or people that disrespect our troops and heritage. I don't know enough about Sharia Law to comment. I certainly didn't see the relevance it had to the poppy burning story. On the Chinese, you miss my point. These guys think that when we attacked Iraq and Afghanistan we attacked their 'brothers'. I realise there are reasons why we attacked those countries, but if you get yourself to believe that we were wrong, you can understand why you would then attack something you could perceive as symbol of our 'victory'. Had we done the same to some country with people the Chinese consider as their brothers in it, no one knows what they would have done. I'm still confused about your reference to history and no I wasn't lining up the ice age argument. When you reference our history you tread on dangerous ground. You can't deny though that we were once the unwelcome foreigners. Now the shoe is on the other foot, it seems there is a problem.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 16, 2010 13:28:52 GMT 1
Perhaps if we'd invaded and occupied Taiwan or Malaysia, we might have seen a different side to our Chinese community, so that's hardly a good analogy. Could you explain what it is you think "we stand for, our way of life and our history"? I thought it was an Island nation made up of an ever changing mix of 'races', that once had a huge empire that influences the lives of billions of people even today and as a result attracts many of its former subjects to work and live here. Afghanistan was invaded due to Al Queida (or however you spell it) harboring and trianing up terrorists to attack our lands. Many of them are considered Bristish muslims too who were raised and educated on British soil. Have the British Chinese, Taiwanese or Malaysian communities started terrorist camps on foreign lands to attack Britain - i don't think they have, so on that basis what you've said isn't so great. Also do the Chinese et al, have terroroist cells to harm the western world in Britiain? i certianly haven't heard of or seen them. Answering your what is our way of life and history question. Well i agree that other cultures and people with different religions are welcome here, and i think it's a good thing when controlled. My argument is that surely it can't be a good thing when it is introduced on mass, when especially our religions, values and beliefs clash so much. Other religions don't seem to cause much hassle - the majority of the problems come from the muslim community. Our beliefs are so different to their it's unreal so t is bound to cause tension in the long run. Ok our history - your probably waiting to line up the whole ice age argument blah blah blah. I am focusing on the present, and our history doesn't suggest to me that we should encourage and welcome the barbaric sharia law or people that disrespect our troops and heritage. Have to say our kid I think that’s a pretty poor post that. In all honesty, how do you answer that? First you discuss China and its threat to the west and then there is a steadfast refusal take into account history (blah, blah, blah). So how on earth is anyone expected to answer that? How on earth are you expected to understand ‘why’ when you take that stand? Without taking into account the history of the West and the Middle East (politically and militarily) how are you to even try to address such a question and the differences? Very, very selective vision there our kid. How anyone who really wished to understand the present can assign history to the bin is beyond me. Although I suppose many people do as it will no doubt debunk their own opinions? As much as many folk would have you believe it’s simply ‘we good, they bad’ the world doesn’t work like that, not how I see things anyhows... And yet you talk of the present. Now do we see UK troops currently engaged in miltary action, occupations? Look at the damage and destruction caused due to invasions and occupations instigated on extremely dodgy reasoning. The thousands of innocent men, women and children killed as a result? The many more who have been displaced? The blatantly obvious efforts by the West to seize and control the natural resources for the benefit of themselves and not the local population (again). Yet even with that, even knowing this…you have no idea why some folk will show disrespect? Nothing comes to mind? No suggestion? Really?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2010 13:39:04 GMT 1
I've never seen so many rhetorical questions.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Nov 16, 2010 13:40:04 GMT 1
Some of the s**t posted on this thread is making me sick.Cant you left wing idiots see that we are under threat from physco's who are taking the p**s. Why dont these extremeist just go and do a demo against the goverment and not our troops who are only doing as they are told .Why didnt those Muslim protesters burn poppies on whitehall when the Queen and prime minister where there? I know why they didnt as they would of been banned up by now so the low life ****ers take it out on normal everyday people and what makes it worse the police dont give a ****!!
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Post by WindsorShrew on Nov 16, 2010 13:55:19 GMT 1
Regarding the post stateing so eloquently the "Police don't give a s**t". Perhaps the Police would have given a "s**t" had the law of the land been broken.
Their actions were for me distasteful but not in breach of law.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Nov 16, 2010 14:16:25 GMT 1
I think chanting there will be another 9/11 breaks quite a few laws.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Nov 16, 2010 14:25:38 GMT 1
I've never seen so many rhetorical questions.
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Post by venceremos on Nov 16, 2010 14:46:25 GMT 1
I guess I'm saying every country has it's problems. Angela Merkel summed it up quite nicely. Multiculturalism has failed. Whatever the reasons are (and I'm sure there are many), it isn't working. You think multiculturalism has failed? Seems to me our kids are, generally speaking, less racially prejudiced than their parents' and grandparents' generations. Is that failure? Walk the streets of London. Look at the list of those killed in the July 2005 bomb attacks. Looks like a successful multicultural city to me. Those names illustrate just how multicultural London has become. Are there riots in the streets? No, just a successful, truly global city going about its business. Look at the 20/20 World Cup in England. Every team had its own colourful and vocal supporters. Was that multiculturalism not working? How many other countries could have hosted the event in that way? Are we the only ones? I doubt it. Look at Obama in the White House. Look at the globalisation of business (they're not all white you know). Look at the globalisation of sport, the arts, the media. You can't turn back the clock - people want to move around, to experience new things - you can't do that in a monoculture. Why do some people refuse to accept that others find it easy and rewarding to live and work alongside people of different cultures? It takes a long time and there are problems along the way but multiculturalism is working fine, here and elsewhere. People are people, that's all.
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Post by venceremos on Nov 16, 2010 14:59:36 GMT 1
Vencermos, you say that a EDL march is threatening whereas the burning of the poppy is something that can be easily ignored. Basically its that attitude which is causing people to join those EDL march's. When we see something that is sacred to many people in our country (of all religions) being burnt Id say we have a pretty good case of being angry about it. If you arent particuarly bothered about it then your perfectly entitled to feel that way but many people feel strongly about it. You say why should we be offended by burning of flags or poppies but by the same token why should the world bend over backwards when some idiot pastor threatens to burn a koran ? There's nothing "sacred" about the poppy. I'm not being disrespectful in saying that, just pointing out that it has no religious symbolism. It has become highly politicised in recent years though That's why, for the first time, I chose not to wear one this year. I still paid my respects and always would but the increasing glorification of the military is not something with which I want to be associated. You seem to think I don't want to offend another culture but I don't mind members of another culture offending us. You miss the point. If an "idiot pastor" burns a koran and it's widely reported, we know what's very likely to happen next. Someone loses their life at the hands of a barbarian incapable of interpreting the koran in the peaceful way that most of its exponents do. Is that a price worth paying? No, so stop the idiot pastor (or stop the reporting, which is harder). If some people burn some poppies a lot of people will be offended, I understand that. But no-one's likely to get killed. And we're grown up enough to live with occasionally being offended, aren't we? That's a compliment to the British people.
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Post by venceremos on Nov 16, 2010 15:09:35 GMT 1
Who was threatened by the poppy burning antics of a tiny minority? That's just not the same at all as an EDL march through an area with a substantial ethnic minority population. The first is an act of provocation by a tiny number of people, easily ignored. The second is an act of provocation by a significant number of people, clearly designed to initimidate. From the Telegraph: Islamic protesters, dressed in dark clothes and with many masking their faces, carried banners and chanted slogans such as "British soldiers: terrorists". The group confronted police officers and briefly fought with them, leaving one officer with a head injury requiring hospital treatment, and three arrests were made. Asad Ullah, 23, a spokesman for the group said.... "We will do this again. Until the British people condemn the British Government for these illegal wars, we will not stop protesting." Sounds like the police were threatened by their antics! Also, rather than just having a stationery protest in Hyde park as you seem to suggest, they actually moved quite a distance and used the tube. Also, to say that these protests are 'easily ignored' simply isnt true, vast numbers of people are offended by them, sadly some so much that they feel sympathy or even join far-right groups. From what I can google, it seems the EDL were formed in response to the large-scale muslim protests last year in Luton. Interesting that their objective wasnt to protest against the war per se, but to protest until the British people condemn the govt for the wars - I'd stick my neck out and say the majority of British people don't support the war? I was actually suggesting the EDL march in Hyde Park, rather than areas with high ethnic minority populations. Then they wouldn't be acting in an obviously intimidatory way. Why aren't these protests "easily ignored"? Just accept that it's a tiny minority, you disagree with what they're doing, you might even take offence at what they're doing and turn away. Does everyone have to think the same way? Is that how a democracy's supposed to work? Part of the infantilisation of our society (across different cultures) is the readiness of some people to be offended. When did we forget how to ignore?
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Post by Mike Claridge on Nov 16, 2010 16:20:57 GMT 1
Just a few comments: The EDL nutters who protested outside the Portsmouth Mosque were clearly ignorant as; a) That mosque had been selling poppies and b) the Imam was leading prayers at the local cenotaph as part of the commemoration. When you type the name "Muhammed" into the Commonwealth War Graves search box on their website you get the message, "Too many names to display, showing the first 1001 only". The following website and articles, including those about three Muslim holders of the VC and one of the GC, is worth a read. Link------> Muslim Medals of Honour Lest we forget.
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Post by The Black Fingernail on Nov 16, 2010 16:51:50 GMT 1
Just a few comments: The EDL nutters who protested outside the Portsmouth Mosque were clearly ignorant as; a) That mosque had been selling poppies and b) the Imam was leading prayers at the local cenotaph as part of the commemoration. When you type the name "Muhammed" into the Commonwealth War Graves search box on their website you get the message, "Too many names to display, showing the first 1001 only". The following website and articles, including those about three Muslim holders of the VC and one of the GC, is worth a read. Link------> Muslim Medals of Honour Lest we forget. Mike, you are clearly far too intelligent to be a Telford fan. Come on over
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Post by SY3 on Nov 16, 2010 16:58:36 GMT 1
I guess I'm saying every country has it's problems. Angela Merkel summed it up quite nicely. Multiculturalism has failed. Whatever the reasons are (and I'm sure there are many), it isn't working. You think multiculturalism has failed? Seems to me our kids are, generally speaking, less racially prejudiced than their parents' and grandparents' generations. Is that failure? Walk the streets of London. Look at the list of those killed in the July 2005 bomb attacks. Looks like a successful multicultural city to me. Those names illustrate just how multicultural London has become. Are there riots in the streets? No, just a successful, truly global city going about its business. Look at the 20/20 World Cup in England. Every team had its own colourful and vocal supporters. Was that multiculturalism not working? How many other countries could have hosted the event in that way? Are we the only ones? I doubt it. Look at Obama in the White House. Look at the globalisation of business (they're not all white you know). Look at the globalisation of sport, the arts, the media. You can't turn back the clock - people want to move around, to experience new things - you can't do that in a monoculture. Why do some people refuse to accept that others find it easy and rewarding to live and work alongside people of different cultures? It takes a long time and there are problems along the way but multiculturalism is working fine, here and elsewhere. People are people, that's all. I would like to challenge this by asking for crime stats before major multiculturelism was introduced and after. Without looking i presume overall street crime will have increased. What about the Birmingham race riots between the blacks and the muslim community? Also what about the British muslims raised and educated here that are now sleeping terror cells within. What about no go areas for for whites and blacks in Birmingham and other major cities? I was told not to go down a street in Brum by a black guy due to the fact i am white and i would get shot - so i turned back and walked a different route. These points go against your ideolgy of multiculturism working in Britain. Immigration is fine if it's controlled, and my point is the majority of the problems have stemmed from the muslim community.
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Post by SY3 on Nov 16, 2010 17:05:23 GMT 1
I don't know enough about Sharia Law to comment. I certainly didn't see the relevance it had to the poppy burning story. Well i don't claim to be an expert on it either, but knowing that you get beheaded and stoned to death for crimes such as adultery leads me to think that it may be a little barbaric. I'm sure your aware that sharia law enforces them punishments for said crimes, so i assume unless your a practicing muslim that you also think that part of sharia law is barbaric too, but for some reason you don't want to actually say it. Sharia law was brought up due to Matron bringing up the electric chair being barbaric - so it was a 'lefty' who brought this topic up. I said the electric chair is enforced for heneous crimes such as first degree murder, where as sharia law enforces beheadings and stonings for adultery - bit of a difference there.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Nov 16, 2010 17:14:21 GMT 1
Immigration is fine if it's controlled, and my point is the majority of the problems have stemmed from the muslim community. You are 100% correct but the blinkered fools on here are to stupid to belive it. I am sure of one thing it will come back and bite them on the arse before too long.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2010 17:23:45 GMT 1
Some of the s**t posted on this thread is making me sick.Cant you left wing idiots see that we are under threat from physco's who are taking the p**s. !! the only psycho taking the p**s heavenly is you. get a grip of yourself man before you burst an anuerysm or something. [. However, convicted criminals in the US will get the electric chair for heneous crimes such as first degree murder; under sharia law you will get beheaded and stoned to death for far lesser crimes including adultery!!! ? i have to say im at a bit of a loss to see what the point is you are trying to make with regards Sharia Law? we dont have it in this country and never will. having said that perhaps a few stoneings for adultery might reverse the moral collapse our wonderfull western society has been engaged in for the past 50 years. perhaps chopping the hand of serial thieves will address the issues a bit more appropriately than some of the wishy washy softly softly stuff that goes on. and lets face it, how many times have we all debated the lack of a criminal justice system with back bone? [My point about the Chinese is the fact they moved over here in large numbers similar to the muslims. Do we see the Chinese causing us problems, jeering our troops and burning poppies on British soil?? i think the point has already been well made that thei is no history between the chinese and the british going back as far as the slaughter of hundreds of thousands during the crusades? we have been waging war on Islam for millenia. [Why don't you hear of Australia having these domestic problems? Because they nipped it in the bud early doors, and we should have followed suit.? ahh Australia, the home of harmonic racial intergration. unless of coarse you are a NATIVE AUSTRALIAN who has been booted out of your land and home and turned into a second class citizen in your own country. [On your question of where to deport them - well quite frankly i don't care, if they disrespect our troops and heritage then we could drop them off to their country of origin or anywhere other than here. why on earth do we want peope here who have no respect for whatwe stand for, our way of life and our history? so does that go for all the indigenous white brits who didnt bother to pay their respects on the 11th? and can i ask the question again, what do WE stand for, cos by the sounds of it, what you and me stand for are worlds apart.
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Post by heavenlyshrew on Nov 16, 2010 17:28:21 GMT 1
As you think you know everything matron can you explain why the race riots happened in Denmark started? It is a matter of time till the same hapens in the U.K
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Post by Shrewed on Nov 16, 2010 17:43:00 GMT 1
As you think you know everything matron can you explain why the race riots happened in Denmark started? It is a matter of time till the same hapens in the U.K Maybe if we all looked at both sides we wold see that it ia a minority of Brits who hate Muslims and a minority of extreme Muslims that hate all western society. I think this sums up my position. action.hopenothate.org.uk/page/signup/plague-on-both-your-houses
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Post by SY3 on Nov 16, 2010 17:50:09 GMT 1
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Not really no - there is a massive difference between forgetting to pay your respects and burning a poppy. Glad to see you condemn sharia law and it's babaric law. My question is would the Bristish muslims welcome and encourage sharia law to be introduced in this country - i have a feeling they would.
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Post by mattmw on Nov 16, 2010 18:40:06 GMT 1
Good to see the debate still going on - healthy debate is alive and well
Re the crime stats - overall levels of crime in the uk have actually remained fairly stable since the 1950s although street crime (muggings, knife crime etc) reached a peak in 2002 but even then levels were around 8 incidents per 10,000 of population.
Knife crime is at it's highest in areas of high deprivation - sometimes these are areas which high immigrant communities but the levels are still high in areas with a low ethnic population. Many ethnic groups coming to the uk end up living in poor areas when they first move to the country
Statistics can be made to show what you like but broadly knife crime seems to be at it's highest in areas with low educational attainment and high unemployment
Lots of stats of this type available on the home office website or through national crime survey
Over the last 40 years crime levels tend to increase in recessions or hard economic times - suggesting crime is linked more to economic prosperity than anything else
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2010 18:42:38 GMT 1
Would you be complaining if these muslims were hot young belly dancers? .. Normally its Heavenly who gets nominated for worst comment on a thread but Ill nominate this. To put it mildly, yes I would be complaining, just as I wasnt happy when I saw white drunken students defacing public memorials. To suggest people are only moaning because its some muslims is laughable but not entirely surprising. Please dont try and jump on the "your only moaning because its muslims" bandwagon. Personally I couldnt care less who did the act. However the fact was it was muslims and whilst we clearly shouldnt tar them all with the same brush, in this instance it clearly shows that there are muslims who arent the respectful, peace loving individuals Before anyone jumps down my throat and says that there are plenty of white, christian scum then I know that, my point yet again is that there also people who are follow the muslim faith who are scum
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Nov 16, 2010 18:53:34 GMT 1
I realise there are reasons why we attacked those countries, but if you get yourself to believe that we were wrong, you can understand why you would then attack something you could perceive as symbol of our 'victory'. Firstly, the poppy is not a symbol of our victory (or victories) - not in any way, shape or form, it is purely to commemorate those that died in war. Remembrance Day is on 11 Nov for a reason, to coincide with the end of WW1 on that day in 1918. To justify this as a basis for a Muslim protest against the Iraq & Afghan wars 80-90 years later is ridiculous. I dont believe they are stupid enough to think that and are simply choosing an occasion for maximum publicity. Secondly, the spokesman for the group involved in the protest stated they are protesting until the british people condemn the Iraq/Afghan wars - something which most people do anyhow so I would say they have ulterior motives. Regarding the post stateing so eloquently the "Police don't give a s**t". Perhaps the Police would have given a "s**t" had the law of the land been broken. Their actions were for me distasteful but not in breach of law. As has been pointed out several times on this thread, the law WAS broken, in fact the muslim protestors fought with police and 3 were arrested. From my previous post: leaving one officer with a head injury requiring hospital treatment (c/o the Telegraph)
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Post by venceremos on Nov 16, 2010 19:26:33 GMT 1
saladsaladsalad - I agree the poppy commemorates those that died in war, but that extends well beyond WW1, especially since there are now no living veterans of that war. The BBC's Remembrance Day service on Sunday included a very simple and moving list of those killed on active service in the past year. The vast majority will have been killed in Afghanistan. Remembrance Day and the poppy attracts more publicity than it used to. Nothing wrong with that at all but I think it can't be denied that the fact so many have died in Iraq/Afghanistan, and are still dying, is a reason for that.
There's no roll call of Iraqi or Afghan civilians killed in these wars. Now, if you're a Muslim and opposed to the wars, that seems to me a basis for protest. Why is that a ridiculous link to make and why would they be "stupid" to think that? You say they're simply choosing an occasion for maximum publicity - what do they want to publicise if not their opposition?
Three protesters arrested and one police officer injured? That's regrettable of course but hardly qualifies it as a major disturbance, certainly not justifying the furore around it. More arrests and injuries occur most weekend nights in most towns and cities. However, I doubt the arrests were for the act of burning poppies. It would be wrong if they were - and a waste of time and money as there's no chance of convicting anyone for that alone.
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Post by venceremos on Nov 16, 2010 19:32:04 GMT 1
I think chanting there will be another 9/11 breaks quite a few laws. Can't think what laws they might be. I think the old "you're gonna get your f***** 'ead kicked in" was a bit more threatening and that was always hard to take seriously.
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Post by saladsaladsalad on Nov 16, 2010 19:49:45 GMT 1
saladsaladsalad - I agree the poppy commemorates those that died in war, but that extends well beyond WW1, especially since there are now no living veterans of that war. The BBC's Remembrance Day service on Sunday included a very simple and moving list of those killed on active service in the past year. The vast majority will have been killed in Afghanistan. Remembrance Day and the poppy attracts more publicity than it used to. Nothing wrong with that at all but I think it can't be denied that the fact so many have died in Iraq/Afghanistan, and are still dying, is a reason for that. There's no roll call of Iraqi or Afghan civilians killed in these wars. Now, if you're a Muslim and opposed to the wars, that seems to me a basis for protest. Why is that a ridiculous link to make and why would they be "stupid" to think that? You say they're simply choosing an occasion for maximum publicity - what do they want to publicise if not their opposition? Three protesters arrested and one police officer injured? That's regrettable of course but hardly qualifies it as a major disturbance, certainly not justifying the furore around it. More arrests and injuries occur most weekend nights in most towns and cities. However, I doubt the arrests were for the act of burning poppies. It would be wrong if they were - and a waste of time and money as there's no chance of convicting anyone for that alone. I agree it has now become synonymous with commemorating the fallen of wars since WW1, but how does this jump to becoming a symbol of victory? Coincidentally we've won pretty much every war we've been involved in since, but I assume we're still commemorating those that fell in the Korean war, which wasnt a 'victory' by most standards. I'm not completely sure but arent the roll calls for fallen members of armed forces? Where would civilians of any war fit into this? Regarding the arrests etc, these were for public disorder and assaulting a police officer. Just as well it was a small protest (this time), out of interest at which stage would you begin to take it seriously? 10 arrested & 3 police officers injured 50 arrested, 15 police injured, 3 seriously. 100 arrested, 1 officer killed, 30 police injured, 6 seriously. Thin end of the wedge imo.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2010 20:37:04 GMT 1
As you think you know everything matron can you explain why the race riots happened in Denmark started? It is a matter of time till the same hapens in the U.K i dont think i know everything, but i do have opinions. so, to answer your questions i have never heard of the denmark race riots so cannot explain why they happened. Enlighten me. people have been spouting the "rivers of blood" carp for 50 years, when do you think they are going to happen?
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Nov 16, 2010 21:05:20 GMT 1
I'm puzzled by the assertion that the act of remembrance has been politicised.
For me it's about remembering those members of my family who died in both world wars and also those members of our armed forces who have been killed doing their duty as instructed by democratically elected governments.
The act of remembrance does not indicate approval of government policy, it honours those killed in the service of their country, so I don't understand how it can be characterised as political.
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Post by Jonah on Nov 16, 2010 21:20:04 GMT 1
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Post by blum on Nov 16, 2010 21:39:57 GMT 1
The poppy isnt just a symbol of rememberance for the Great War, it is now synonymous with all of our war dead from whatever conflict.
I have an opinion, whether it's right or wrong I dont personally care.
Had Hitler done a few things differently (mainly listen to his field marshalls and generals) the Germans might well have won the war. He was already preparing Europe for Germanification and IMO he wouldnt have stopped there. He saw many races as inferior and wanted the face of the planet rid of them, would he have continued into Asia? I bet he would, dont forget he was allied to the Japanese. Therefore again IMO these f***ers should be upholding the poppy for allowing them the freedom they enjoy. If they dont like it here (and I dont give a flying f**k that they were born here) they should get the next plane, train or boat and p**s off back to the lands and religious extremism they want to promote here.
When I see banners saying British soldiers burn in hell, Islam will rule the world BLAH BLAH it makes my stomach churn... As far as I am concerned if they want a proper fight then great, but no!!!! they just do what cowards do, they hide in the shadows with bombs to kill innocent people.
Sorry but personally I have had enough and many more people are starting to say the same..
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