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Post by zenfootball on Sept 23, 2024 16:27:33 GMT 1
Jordan Rossiter is hopefully near enough ready for a return. the last time i heard anything about him, they were trying pain killing injections. if that is still the case then id be concerned about the damage he might cause himself. you get pain for a reason. he was brought in as a holding midfielder, we have ojo and Perry in that role, so whilst im glad he is nearly ready to play.i hope they are not rushing him back. he sounds like a talented player but the majority of his career has been blighted by injuries. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 23, 2024 16:35:59 GMT 1
When you say 5/6 players could walk into our team , I presume you mean Shipley too ? , shame he couldn't run into the team and then he might get picked , cotterills only remaining signing and he's the laziest player we have We used to have this argument on here about how they could walk into a championship team None of cotterills signings for us have gone on to play at a higher level Are any of them even shining at their new clubs ? As far as I'm concerned It was a relief as their contracts came to an end As people keep saying football is a results business , go compare the results , hurst currently trails Taylor by a mile and that says a lot Sounds like you are happier to go down watching hurst lose most weeks than you were watching Taylor keep us up Personally I'm happy to stick with hurst as I never like to see a manager get paid up for being poor , I want to see how it ends , I hope we can get 3 points never week but I won't cry if we don't , I'll propably just have a laugh at how 1 win in 17 is ok with some 😝 I don’t believe Matt Taylor would’ve kept us up, the club was an absolute shambles during his time, and I’m not even saying it’s all his fault. MT should’ve been allowed to bring in his own coaching staff, and play his own formation, he was let down by his lack of experience which allowed him to get walked over by people above him, which I imagine didn’t help the dressing room at all. Due to reasons like this, which aren’t his fault entirely, I feel a lot more confident under Hurst, and we play better football on the eye. This isn’t me trying to paint Hurst as a messiah that’s immune to criticism, it could have been any experienced coach with a half decent track record that would’ve came into the job and reassured the fan base a bit at the time. As for where we’re heading now, I sadly accepted relegation when the Mansfield winner went in, I believe we’ll put up a decent fight but still go down. This isn’t me being a bad fan or even worse being a happy clapper and accepting mediocrity. We’re going down because the football league has grown considerably in the last 10 years, with better investment coming lower and lower down the pyramid. We have just stayed the same, we operate like a mid table league two club, and when that happens that’s exactly where we will head unless things change. Taylor had a 50% win rate at home winning 7 out of 14 home games, hurst won 1 out of 9 to Carlisle who were already as good as doomed, but yes you are entitled to your opinion , Taylor might have suddenly lost all 9  |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 23, 2024 17:04:19 GMT 1
I am firmly in the camp of 'rather Hurst take us down, than Taylor keep us up'. Much more entertained this season so far, attacking football on display with all but Shipperz giving 100%. Budget issues and a tougher quality league mean we going down. reminds me of what I used to say when Ricketts was in charge, I used to say things like , stick with him until the end of the season, and then make a decision, worst case scenario we end up in league 2 and bring in a new manager for the following season, I also said that sacking the manager can be costly and lead to cut backs boy did I get shot down for it, and yet, I'd say exactly the same if we went back 4 years he got sacked after a 2-2 draw away to mkd, a few days after leading late on away to Ipswich but losing after a very late Burgoyne mistake and an own goal, in fact he'd only lost 1 of his final 6 games, there was the 3-3 draw at home to swindon, the 4-3 win away to crewe, 2-0 away to high flying Cambridge in the far cup, and a last gasp draw with Burton fans just wanted excitement apparently if you ask me the length of a football manager is not always down to results, its more to do with first impressions , sometimes gained before they have even played a game Hurst left us having not only given us belief of promotion to the championship but it seems he left some fans with a new expectation, Askey wasnt liked from the start and sure enough the boo boys started early and out he went, turns out he had a decent record in comparison to what was to come, Ricketts came in, ex Telford, ex wrexham, already on a loser, and the moans started less than a month later, Cotterill, instant hero, before he even played a game, left the club with an almost identical record to ricketts hardly anyone wants to know that, Taylor was a dead man walking before he was even named as coach, the most limited budget possibly ever for a town manager, and almost the worst injury crisis and yet he did enough to keep us up pro rata, Hurst, the messiah is back, worst set of results since god know when, probably since Fred Davies managed 18th 18th 18th bottom in league 1 and announced as a cult hero ;-). ( due to his first impressions) |
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Post by belfastshrew on Sept 23, 2024 17:25:04 GMT 1
fans just wanted excitement apparently I agree with everything you have said. You surely want entertainment too regardless of promotion or relegation? Footballs' an entertainment business is it not. |
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Post by belfastshrew on Sept 23, 2024 17:27:22 GMT 1
I would argue we are seeing more entertaining football under Hurst than we have seen since maybe he was last here all those years ago. Not entirely convinced we are getting the team selections and subs right...but the lads are giving all they can each week and that's all we can hope for.
Well that and maybe 4 teams worse than us! 🤣
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2024 17:39:57 GMT 1
Take the Compliment from Nigel Clough (he said similar of Cambridge, which would indicate that there are no easy games in this division as well). Town played well for the first 30 minutes but couldn't keep it up due to several reasons.
I suspect that even Hurst and Doig are shocked at the problems of the back four, so too will be Savin and those that play in the midfield, the defence is the slackest I've seen in some time.
Very surprised at John Marquis's omission I hope he plays on Saturday, there is room for Lloyd and the others as well, the problem is the amount of defensive midfielders in the side protecting the defence.
Don't think it requires total meltdown but points will be needed to be taken in the next two home games, clean sheets as well.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 23, 2024 17:55:11 GMT 1
I would argue we are seeing more entertaining football under Hurst than we have seen since maybe he was last here all those years ago. Not entirely convinced we are getting the team selections and subs right...but the lads are giving all they can each week and that's all we can hope for. Well that and maybe 4 teams worse than us! 🤣 it wasnt what I would call entertaining on saturday, we saw a town goal at the opposite end of the field, and 2 goals from them at the same end, we did have a big of build up play but nothing came of it 2nd half with own attacking the end we were behind was all an anti climax, we didnt even get a corner to watch, and I cant even remember their keeper really touching the ball similar game to the week before v chalrton the week before was all over by half time |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 23, 2024 17:58:58 GMT 1
Take the Compliment from Nigel Clough (he said similar of Cambridge, which would indicate that there are no easy games in this division as well). Town played well for the first 30 minutes but couldn't keep it up due to several reasons. I suspect that even Hurst and Doig are shocked at the problems of the back four, so too will be Savin and those that play in the midfield, the defence is the slackest I've seen in some time. Very surprised at John Marquis's omission I hope he plays on Saturday, there is room for Lloyd and the others as well, the problem is the amount of defensive midfielders in the side protecting the defence. Don't think it requires total meltdown but points will be needed to be taken in the next two home games, clean sheets as well. managers often big up the opposition in order to make their own win , draw or defeat sound more impressive or justifiable than it actually was |
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Post by chirkshrew on Sept 23, 2024 18:26:12 GMT 1
If everybody was fit and able to play....what would your team be??....that's for all posters.... I'm at a loss who would be my best team,and where to play them tbh.....who would be a manager eh
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2024 18:31:14 GMT 1
Take the Compliment from Nigel Clough (he said similar of Cambridge, which would indicate that there are no easy games in this division as well). Town played well for the first 30 minutes but couldn't keep it up due to several reasons. I suspect that even Hurst and Doig are shocked at the problems of the back four, so too will be Savin and those that play in the midfield, the defence is the slackest I've seen in some time. Very surprised at John Marquis's omission I hope he plays on Saturday, there is room for Lloyd and the others as well, the problem is the amount of defensive midfielders in the side protecting the defence. Don't think it requires total meltdown but points will be needed to be taken in the next two home games, clean sheets as well. managers often big up the opposition in order to make their own win , draw or defeat sound more impressive or justifiable than it actually was Clough is a bit more straight talking than that I think - Like his Father was. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2024 18:34:57 GMT 1
If everybody was fit and able to play....what would your team be??....that's for all posters.... I'm at a loss who would be my best team,and where to play them tbh.....who would be a manager eh I'll have a go Savin Hoole, Feeney M, Feeney J, Benning Winchester TOR Gilliead Shipley Castledine Marquis Its complete fantasy, its very hard on someone like Lloyd, I'm unsure if I would try and get George Nurse involved as well and also Perry and Sagoe Jnr. |
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Post by chirkshrew on Sept 23, 2024 18:55:51 GMT 1
Yep ..it's hard isn't it ...nurse,rossiter,sagoe....if they were fit,I'd play them 3,I like sagoe..... definitely better than shipley
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2024 18:59:03 GMT 1
Yep ..it's hard isn't it ...nurse,rossiter,sagoe....if they were fit,I'd play them 3,I like sagoe..... definitely better than shipley I know that Shipley is your new number one target after Bayliss left, but at least he has a goal threat. Sagoe looks lively and exciting at times, but hasn’t looked remotely like scoring or creating a goal yet. Sagoe also an unused sub in our one and only win so far this season. Shipley hasn’t been good this season but the reality is none of them have really. |
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Post by zenfootball on Sept 23, 2024 19:10:08 GMT 1
the problem is i wont castledine as well but id like us to try two forwards and we need to protect the left and right back
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hoole feeny,m. feeney,j. nurse
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2024 19:12:29 GMT 1
I think Kayode upfront would cause the opposition problems, if only he was fit.
If we could I would play him & Marquis upfront in a 442 but unfortunately we would leave the defence exposed as we need defensive cover in front of them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2024 19:23:00 GMT 1
Shipley is a enigma, he does work well with Benning down the left unlike Bloxham.
I'd think of using Sagoe Jnr as an impact sub and throw on with 20-30 minutes to go for someone like TOR.
Could Nurse partner M.Feeney in the heart of defence in the future?
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Post by ProudSalopian on Sept 23, 2024 19:23:01 GMT 1
When everyone is fit I'd probably go or 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 depending on you view it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2024 19:34:44 GMT 1
Hurst seems to have given up on TOR and Marquis and gone for Lloyd and Castledine in recent weeks. The same with Shipley being replaced by Sagoe Jnr.
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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on Sept 23, 2024 22:05:18 GMT 1
Savin
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Feeney
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Post by akpaakpost on Sept 23, 2024 22:20:09 GMT 1
If everybody was fit and able to play....what would your team be??....that's for all posters.... I'm at a loss who would be my best team,and where to play them tbh.....who would be a manager eh I’ll have a go Savin RB Hoole CB Feeney CB Feeney LB Nurse CM Rossiter CM Winchester RAM Sagoe Jr CAM Castledine LAM Shipley ST Lloyd |
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Post by chirkshrew on Sept 23, 2024 22:35:15 GMT 1
I keep forgetting about kayode....if he was fit and firing, I'd play him as centre forward,but with Lloyd up there with him,but that means change of formation,and then it becomes a problem,....glad your the manager hursty🤷
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2024 23:19:48 GMT 1
I'd perhaps think now of starting Castledine and Shipley and then replacing them with TOR and Sagoe Jnr as Subs mid second half.
Hurst is a big fan of Gillieads energy, can't see him being dropped unless injured or suspended but all kinds of conundrums on the pitch.
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Post by zenfootball on Sept 24, 2024 9:39:19 GMT 1
I think Kayode upfront would cause the opposition problems, if only he was fit. If we could I would play him & Marquis upfront in a 442 but unfortunately we would leave the defence exposed as we need defensive cover in front of them. this is what i struggled with as i would like us to try two forwards |
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Post by chirkshrew on Sept 24, 2024 10:15:58 GMT 1
Well,this management lark,is not as easy as it looks is it🤷🤷
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Post by Pilch on Sept 24, 2024 11:23:00 GMT 1
Ditch the forwards , we have a selection of the best attacking midfielders we've had for years , play a 4-2-4-0 and watch the goals stream in 👍
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 24, 2024 11:50:28 GMT 1
Ditch the forwards , we have a selection of the best attacking midfielders we've had for years , play a 4-2-4-0 and watch the goals stream in 👍 At which end ?? 😲 |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 24, 2024 12:16:38 GMT 1
Ditch the forwards , we have a selection of the best attacking midfielders we've had for years , play a 4-2-4-0 and watch the goals stream in 👍 At which end ?? 😲 A mixture 😝 |
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Post by jontifree on Sept 24, 2024 13:24:16 GMT 1
fans just wanted excitement apparently I agree with everything you have said. You surely want entertainment too regardless of promotion or relegation? Footballs' an entertainment business is it not. Yep, remember our season in Non-League. Surely that's what we all want, winning most weeks in front of 800 people  |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Sept 25, 2024 9:27:32 GMT 1
I would argue we are seeing more entertaining football under Hurst than we have seen since maybe he was last here all those years ago. If that is the case (and I'm not necessarily disagreeing) then it really is a sad indictment of this club over the last 6 years. I haven't seen many games this season, the ones I've seen have been a bit of an improvement compared to recent seasons as we certainly aren't putting 10 men behind the ball like we did under Cotterill & Taylor, but I haven't come away thinking that I've seen free-flowing, entertaining football. The reality is we are the joint lowest scorers in the division. If we were losing 4-3 every week then you could perhaps say whilst we aren't getting results, at least it's entertaining, however we've failed to score in 4 out of 7 games. |
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Post by vladimir on Sept 25, 2024 9:37:16 GMT 1
I am firmly in the camp of 'rather Hurst take us down, than Taylor keep us up'. Much more entertained this season so far, attacking football on display with all but Shipperz giving 100%. Budget issues and a tougher quality league mean we going down. reminds me of what I used to say when Ricketts was in charge, I used to say things like , stick with him until the end of the season, and then make a decision, worst case scenario we end up in league 2 and bring in a new manager for the following season, I also said that sacking the manager can be costly and lead to cut backs boy did I get shot down for it, and yet, I'd say exactly the same if we went back 4 years You got shot down for it because the football under Ricketts was utterly dreadful, we had a bloated squad including pros we couldnt even register to play (talk about wasting club funds), he wasn't winning games and was losing games from winning positions and we were firmly in the relegation zone. But alas you keep dreaming Saint Samuel wouldve conjured up safety and taken us forward (literally zero evidence for this with all evidence showing we were going backwards under him). |
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