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Post by ProudSalopian on Sept 22, 2024 11:23:38 GMT 1
The person who wanted him back was the chairman. Perhaps it's time for him to admit he was wrong chairman gives majority of fans what they are been screaming out for shock bit like he did in bringing back graham turner like I keep says, just get on with it, see where we are at the end of the season and are it from there, throwing good money after back has been our demise for the past 6 years, its time to see how the story ends for once I'm not sure where this idea comes from that fans had been shouting for his return. OK there might have been the odd person but there certainly wasn't a huge clamour for his appointment, partly because of the way he left us but mainly because since 17/18 his record is poor You can try and turn it on the fans but as with most things at this club, we have very little influence and it's down to one man. The STFC story will never end but the Roland chapter will at some point, unfortunately we have no idea when it will and are in limbo until it does. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 22, 2024 11:28:55 GMT 1
chairman gives majority of fans what they are been screaming out for shock bit like he did in bringing back graham turner like I keep says, just get on with it, see where we are at the end of the season and are it from there, throwing good money after back has been our demise for the past 6 years, its time to see how the story ends for once I'm not sure where this idea comes from that fans had been shouting for his return. OK there might have been the odd person but there certainly wasn't a huge clamour for his appointment, partly because of the way he left us but mainly because since 17/18 his record is poor You can try and turn it on the fans but as with most things at this club, we have very little influence and it's down to one man. The STFC story will never end but the Roland chapter will at some point, unfortunately we have no idea when it will and are in limbo until it does. lol I guess no one wanted turner either |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2024 11:31:26 GMT 1
Graham Turner took us into the third tier for the first time in yonks. The L1 part of his return was poor but I won’t hear any slander on the great man, club legend.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 22, 2024 11:36:19 GMT 1
Graham Turner took us into the third tier for the first time in yonks. The L1 part of his return was poor but I won’t hear any slander on the great man, club legend. there has never been one single case of slander on this forum  |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 22, 2024 11:36:28 GMT 1
Graham Turner took us into the third tier for the first time in yonks. The L1 part of his return was poor but I won’t hear any slander on the great man, cllegend. A real legend. |
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 22, 2024 11:44:40 GMT 1
I was chatting last night with a mate and we both said the same, we are amazed at how relaxed a large percentage of our fans are. We've lost 6 out of 7 this season but you hear "we are playing well, results will come". There's a reason we play well in patches and still lose, we have a lack of quality throughout the team so when it comes to the crucial moments, we aren't good enough to either score or stop the opposition from scoring Several people have said there's no point getting rid of Hurst as nothing will change until Roland goes, I agree to an extent but we were pushing for Taylor to go for improvement and I see no reason why Hurst shouldn't come under the same scrutiny. There is always another option, it doesn't guarantee improvement but it does mean something different and doesn't involve signing ex Grimsby players. maybe they are some of those who have been screaming for Hurst to come back since 2018 fans dont like admitting they were wrong, probably why there isn't a 1 win in 16 thread doing the rounds , because we all know the 1 win in 9 was a vicious thread on here a few years back ending when the manager got the sack, in all comps that seasons 18 games had started 5 wins, 6 draws, 7 defeats, how we would kills for form like that today  compare that to our last 18 games 1 win, 5 draws, 12 defeats What about Roland being wrong? He sacked Taylor and replaced him with his choice who wasn't available in the summer. You keep pulling up fans for wanting Hurst but who made that decisions. For the record I'm in the keep Hurst no point in wasting more money a la Askey, Ricketts, Cotterill,Taylor merrygoround...... |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Sept 22, 2024 11:46:18 GMT 1
I'm not sure where this idea comes from that fans had been shouting for his return. OK there might have been the odd person but there certainly wasn't a huge clamour for his appointment, partly because of the way he left us but mainly because since 17/18 his record is poor You can try and turn it on the fans but as with most things at this club, we have very little influence and it's down to one man. The STFC story will never end but the Roland chapter will at some point, unfortunately we have no idea when it will and are in limbo until it does. lol I guess no one wanted turner either Of course people were happy he came back but no one was asking for him to come back, he was the owner of another football club at the time! Roland wanted him for years, just like Roland wanted Cotterill for years. And Roland has wanted Hurst back. I agree with you that Hurst does get an easy ride, I'm starting to see that slowly change as more people are questioning his decisions. His record with us is awful and whilst you can question him, you also have to question those that appointed him (I forget who we are allowed to give the 'credit'to for that). |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 22, 2024 12:18:38 GMT 1
Seen the goals on sky, first well taken by Castledine, but terrible misss from a free header in the box with an open goal,he heads it yards wide.
School boy defenders get drilled to stay on your feet in the box ,but we have the useless Nisala penalty and they are back in the game.
More poor defending a well placed pass with a perfectly timed run but who was marking him ,why on earth did they not respond and track back with him, yet another avoidable goal
Really frustrating how our players switch off, zone out and dont pick up the runners .
The first game, the Oldham and now Mansfield game, where games we should have got points from.
When Hurst was first in charge these were the games we were picking up points from. If we had got the 7 points we would be a midtable team not one propping up the table, where if things don't improve in key areas we will spend the season, frustrating is my word for the day ,as we are slowly improving but we need to cut out the costly defensive errors and put away the chances
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Post by Pilch on Sept 22, 2024 12:31:06 GMT 1
Ref 100% homer , dishing out unnecessary yellows I mentioned at half time that I hope we dont give the ref a decision to make as we could all see what would happen, and right at the start of the second half Toto totally unnecessarily slides in front of the guy giving him the perfect opportunity to fall over the legs and the ref was only too happy to point to the spot, shocking defending for the 2nd goal, where was the midfield ? |
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Post by chirkshrew on Sept 22, 2024 12:47:44 GMT 1
You can't blame Hurst for what toto did,early in 2nd half.... it's a mentality and concentration thing with these players.it doesn't matter if your playing a top or near the bottom team.the potential is there,as proved in the first half,but you've got to dig in,and fight and scrap for every ball in all the games.thats why the late 70s early 80s teams were so good.... especially against the so called "big clubs"
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 22, 2024 14:32:31 GMT 1
Ref 100% homer , dishing out unnecessary yellows Not sure if you’re referring to the Savin yellow? Warned three times just prior yet still took his time. Think every shrew fan there thought what an idiot. Refs are instructed to give a yellow for touching a ball after a foul against yet we still do. Slightest tug on a shirt automatic yellow, we still do that too. It’s all down to discipline which we lack. Thought the ref was fair, with the penalty there was no decision to make. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2024 14:35:51 GMT 1
You can't blame Hurst for what toto did,early in 2nd half.... it's a mentality and concentration thing with these players.it doesn't matter if your playing a top or near the bottom team.the potential is there,as proved in the first half,but you've got to dig in,and fight and scrap for every ball in all the games.thats why the late 70s early 80s teams were so good.... especially against the so called "big clubs" No but you can blame him for thinking that Nsiala is the same player he was last time he was here, and for thinking that it’s acceptable to go into a season with Feeney, Nsiala, Pierre, and an untested kid who it turns out is injury prone as our central defensive options. |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 22, 2024 14:42:30 GMT 1
You can't blame Hurst for what toto did,early in 2nd half.... it's a mentality and concentration thing with these players.it doesn't matter if your playing a top or near the bottom team.the potential is there,as proved in the first half,but you've got to dig in,and fight and scrap for every ball in all the games.thats why the late 70s early 80s teams were so good.... especially against the so called "big clubs" No but you can blame him for thinking that Nsiala is the same player he was last time he was here, and for thinking that it’s acceptable to go into a season with Feeney, Nsiala, Pierre, and an untested kid who it turns out is injury prone as our central defensive options. And a defender who has been out injured for 2 years. |
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Post by chirkshrew on Sept 22, 2024 14:47:04 GMT 1
Well it was either toto,or Pierre to play instead of Feeney.....take your pick🤷yes, personally I'd like a younger centre half to play...he was injured,so had to make do,with what we had..... unfortunately 🤷🤷
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Post by jontifree on Sept 22, 2024 14:54:36 GMT 1
Ref 100% homer , dishing out unnecessary yellows I mentioned at half time that I hope we dont give the ref a decision to make as we could all see what would happen, and right at the start of the second half Toto totally unnecessarily slides in front of the guy giving him the perfect opportunity to fall over the legs and the ref was only too happy to point to the spot, shocking defending for the 2nd goal, where was the midfield ? What about Nsiala’s handball on the line. Could have been a penalty & a red. May have flicked up off his thigh which is why it wasn’t given? Hard to tell on the replay. |
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Post by chirkshrew on Sept 22, 2024 15:05:15 GMT 1
I'm sure Ryan lowe or Neil Warnock will correct our defensive problems,when either one comes in,or maybe even David Moyes👍🤔🤔🤨
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Post by Pilch on Sept 22, 2024 15:32:04 GMT 1
Ref 100% homer , dishing out unnecessary yellows Not sure if you’re referring to the Savin yellow? Warned three times just prior yet still took his time. Think every shrew fan there thought what an idiot. Refs are instructed to give a yellow for touching a ball after a foul against yet we still do. Slightest tug on a shirt automatic yellow, we still do that too. It’s all down to discipline which we lack. Thought the ref was fair, with the penalty there was no decision to make. I didnt think he was taking too long at all, had he taken the same amount of time had the score been 0-0 or even 1-0 to them no one would have blinked an eye, booking a keeper for a debatable time wasting action after 30 mins is crazy, several times in the 2nd half their players too an age to take throw ins, like I said it was 1-1 at the time so its suddenly ok ? yesterdays ref was the perfect example of mr inconsistent ref |
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Sept 22, 2024 15:49:15 GMT 1
Nigel clough and his opinion on match.
He thought we were excellent for 30 minutes and he was happy to go in at half time.only one nil down !
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Post by Pilch on Sept 22, 2024 15:55:07 GMT 1
maybe they are some of those who have been screaming for Hurst to come back since 2018 fans dont like admitting they were wrong, probably why there isn't a 1 win in 16 thread doing the rounds , because we all know the 1 win in 9 was a vicious thread on here a few years back ending when the manager got the sack, in all comps that seasons 18 games had started 5 wins, 6 draws, 7 defeats, how we would kills for form like that today compare that to our last 18 games 1 win, 5 draws, 12 defeats What about Roland being wrong? He sacked Taylor and replaced him with his choice who wasn't available in the summer. You keep pulling up fans for wanting Hurst but who made that decisions. For the record I'm in the keep Hurst no point in wasting more money a la Askey, Ricketts, Cotterill,Taylor merrygoround...... I was replying to this comment from Proudsalopian speaking about his match day experience "I was chatting last night with a mate and we both said the same, we are amazed at how relaxed a large percentage of our fans are. We've lost 6 out of 7 this season but you hear "we are playing well, results will come"
he was clearly on about fans that are not having a go at Hurst and think things are ok and will get better I replied suggesting most of those fans wanted Hurst back and therefore cant admit they were wrong of course they may not be wrong, time will tell but... what you have done is ignore the conversation that was being had and try to make it about me and Roland , its called playing the man and not the ball, easily done, easily rectified ;-) |
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Post by hectord0g137 on Sept 22, 2024 16:01:08 GMT 1
Good interview by Clough. Nice to hear thoughts from a professional feet on the ground expert as apposed to Sofa/gamer opinionistas. Things May..May not be as bad as I think 🤔
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Post by Pilch on Sept 22, 2024 16:05:24 GMT 1
Good interview by Clough. Nice to hear thoughts from a professional feet on the ground expert as apposed to Sofa/gamer opinionistas. Things May..May not be as bad as I think 🤔 some of our fans usually make a big point of mentioning how unacceptable it is to lose to a newly promoted side and yet 2 away games running its happened and nothing |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2024 16:08:28 GMT 1
Good interview by Clough. Nice to hear thoughts from a professional feet on the ground expert as apposed to Sofa/gamer opinionistas. Things May..May not be as bad as I think 🤔 some of our fans usually make a big point of mentioning how unacceptable it is to lose to a newly promoted side and yet 2 away games running its happened and nothing We don’t really have to analyse the type of team we’re losing to when we’re losing to every single team. |
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Post by hectord0g137 on Sept 22, 2024 16:13:10 GMT 1
Hmmm if we don't analyse we can't really complain can we
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Post by Pilch on Sept 22, 2024 16:14:58 GMT 1
some of our fans usually make a big point of mentioning how unacceptable it is to lose to a newly promoted side and yet 2 away games running its happened and nothing We don’t really have to analyse the type of team we’re losing to when we’re losing to every single team. I knew there would be a perfectly reasonable explanation  |
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Post by markglasgow on Sept 22, 2024 17:05:03 GMT 1
Interesting comments from Clough. Clearly happy with the win, but I thought his side were horrific in the first half. Gifted the goal. Didn't lay a glove on the worse defence in the league. The attempts to play out from the back were painful to watch. They shifted up a gear or two in the 2nd half and that was enough to see Town off.
Was striking to hear that Orient's Ritchie Wellens say that his side performance at Shrewsbury was the very worst they had played in the 2.5 years he has been there.
If we can't take opportunities presented to us like yesterday then we are goners. Last time we dropped out of this division we amassed 45 points. Can't for the life of me see how we would get anywhere near that number under the current regime.
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Post by MetaShrew on Sept 22, 2024 17:29:53 GMT 1
Interesting comments from Clough. Clearly happy with the win, but I thought his side were horrific in the first half. Gifted the goal. Didn't lay a glove on the worse defence in the league. The attempts to play out from the back were painful to watch. They shifted up a gear or two in the 2nd half and that was enough to see Town off. Was striking to hear that Orient's Ritchie Wellens say that his side performance at Shrewsbury was the very worst they had played in the 2.5 years he has been there. If we can't take opportunities presented to us like yesterday then we are goners. Last time we dropped out of this division we amassed 45 points. Can't for the life of me see how we would get anywhere near that number under the current regime. It was only 42 points, but what you are saying is completely true. In 2013/14, when we were very poor, if just three or four games across the entire season had gone differently, we would, somehow, have had a good chance of staying up. This season, even 30 points is looking remote. |
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Post by hectord0g137 on Sept 22, 2024 17:36:02 GMT 1
Thanks Metashrew that's cheered me up this dreary Sunday afternoon. Still there's always Countryfile to look forward to.
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Post by mattmw on Sept 22, 2024 18:18:14 GMT 1
You can't blame Hurst for what toto did,early in 2nd half.... it's a mentality and concentration thing with these players.it doesn't matter if your playing a top or near the bottom team.the potential is there,as proved in the first half,but you've got to dig in,and fight and scrap for every ball in all the games.thats why the late 70s early 80s teams were so good.... especially against the so called "big clubs" No but you can blame him for thinking that Nsiala is the same player he was last time he was here, and for thinking that it’s acceptable to go into a season with Feeney, Nsiala, Pierre, and an untested kid who it turns out is injury prone as our central defensive options. Think the defence shows up the slightly conflicted - in my mind anyway - approach to signings made in the summer. On the one hand you have Moores approach he explained when he first joined of looking to get decent younger players in and get them significant game and experience with us either as loans from higher level teams or signings from lower down the league - which you could see in the Josh Feeney, Hoole and Savin signings. That then seems to conflict with the Pierre and Toto signings which appear much more led by Hurst, and arguably seem more panic signings. There kind of seem to be two conflicting types of recruitment going on which aren’t really gelling at the moment. |
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Post by chirkshrew on Sept 22, 2024 18:52:49 GMT 1
We've got what we've got,and that's it🤷....get on with it!!
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Post by gtismygod on Sept 22, 2024 19:07:54 GMT 1
No but you can blame him for thinking that Nsiala is the same player he was last time he was here, and for thinking that it’s acceptable to go into a season with Feeney, Nsiala, Pierre, and an untested kid who it turns out is injury prone as our central defensive options. Think the defence shows up the slightly conflicted - in my mind anyway - approach to signings made in the summer. On the one hand you have Moores approach he explained when he first joined of looking to get decent younger players in and get them significant game and experience with us either as loans from higher level teams or signings from lower down the league - which you could see in the Josh Feeney, Hoole and Savin signings. That then seems to conflict with the Pierre and Toto signings which appear much more led by Hurst, and arguably seem more panic signings. There kind of seem to be two conflicting types of recruitment going on which aren’t really gelling at the moment. That’s what any club would want isn’t it? A blend of youth and experience. I don’t think MM was implying that he wanted a side that consisted entirely of young players who could be developed. There always needs to be experienced players who lead the youngsters and help with their development. The Pierre and Toto signings are surely driven by the budget constraints. I’m sure Hurst would prefer a proven League One centre half in his late twenties, but the budget just isn’t there. If the party line is to be believed, then we’re somehow over-budget, even with this current squad. |
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