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Post by Pilch on Mar 1, 2024 12:44:06 GMT 1
That's good to hear, good that he is prepared to muck in as it were. I gather very much needed when it comes to a club like Town where everyone has to chip in here, there and everywhere...👍 Sorry Stutty, respectfully to you etc.. that isn't the case, it's not like he's mucking in, this only ever happens when those in the upper echelons of the football club are trying to curry favour with others, be it those in the engine room, or to us mere customers.. it generally happens when thier backside is twitching and they need a little support as it were. In my opinion of course. if I didn't know better I'd say you are bitter about something Ok I'll give you that one , I guess I would be too , but maybe not fair either, it does sound like he's mucking in to me
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 1, 2024 12:44:23 GMT 1
That's good to hear, good that he is prepared to muck in as it were. I gather very much needed when it comes to a club like Town where everyone has to chip in here, there and everywhere...👍 In my opinion of course. Sure, understand. But I am pretty sure we've had managers, backroom staff and players helping out in the front office before now. I would think at Town (where resources might be thin at times) everyone is expected to help out where they can.
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Post by Exkeeper on Mar 1, 2024 12:45:18 GMT 1
I can't say I have ever taken such sites seriously. Surely this is just guess work? How would they have any idea how much certain players are earning? It's basically click bait and the amount of people who think it's genuine is incredible , I bet most footballers don't even know what most of their team mates are on 🤩 Agents talk, so the probably do.
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Post by PHBA on Mar 1, 2024 12:50:01 GMT 1
Sure, understand. But I am pretty sure we've had managers, backroom staff and players helping out in the front office before now. I would think at Town (where resources might be thin at times) everyone is expected to help out where they can. We definitely have had players/managers doing some of the front of house stuff, but sadly, it's not to "muck in" ..... if you were in the office then mucking in was part and Parcel, if its managers or players, you'd probably expect to see a SloppyStar reporter close by 😂..... or if not, then your name is Sam Ricketts trying desperately to cling on. But I digress, It is good to see Micky offering his services! Name to the face and all that
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Post by PHBA on Mar 1, 2024 12:52:13 GMT 1
Sorry Stutty, respectfully to you etc.. that isn't the case, it's not like he's mucking in, this only ever happens when those in the upper echelons of the football club are trying to curry favour with others, be it those in the engine room, or to us mere customers.. it generally happens when thier backside is twitching and they need a little support as it were. In my opinion of course. if I didn't know better I'd say you are bitter about something Ok I'll give you that one , I guess I would be too , but maybe not fair either, it does sound like he's mucking in to me All ships have long sailed Pilch, I'll grump about parts I'm not a fan of, and champion the things I am, my Facebook was full of all things hurst when he came back, I'll highlight the good and bad
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 1, 2024 12:58:22 GMT 1
It's clear from the most of the posts on this thread that the title shouldn't be 'The longevity of Mr Moore', it should be 'When's he going?' Keep waving those willys boys.
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Post by jamo on Mar 1, 2024 12:58:41 GMT 1
Back to topic. I am sure that most of us can see that we bought some duds in the summer; without knowing length of contracts, my worry is how do we offload them without another financial loss? What sort of costs have the club incurred already in paying off Taylor and Bignot. These were not Cotterill signings! That’s kind of how I see it also. If the idea was to buy potential then that policy has backfired significantly and put us into a concerning situation in the league table. You can only hope that the contracts offered were on average terms and for a limited duration. Taylor & Bignot will not have been cheap to get rid off but once that decision had been made then Moore should have gone also.
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Post by PHBA on Mar 1, 2024 13:01:30 GMT 1
Back to topic. I am sure that most of us can see that we bought some duds in the summer; without knowing length of contracts, my worry is how do we offload them without another financial loss? What sort of costs have the club incurred already in paying off Taylor and Bignot. These were not Cotterill signings! That’s kind of how I see it also. If the idea was to buy potential then that policy has backfired significantly and put us into a concerning situation in the league table. You can only hope that the contracts offered were on average terms and for a limited duration. Taylor & Bignit will not have been cheap to get rid off but once that decision had been made then Moore should have gone also. I'm totally not au fait with the clauses you can legally insert to a contract, ...but could a club include something like "If x amount of pts have not been accrued by a certain date, then a contract can be terminated at a % of what's owed" Does that make sense? In summary, if you're s**t, then you won't get your full payoff 😂
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 1, 2024 13:08:07 GMT 1
That’s kind of how I see it also. If the idea was to buy potential then that policy has backfired significantly and put us into a concerning situation in the league table. You can only hope that the contracts offered were on average terms and for a limited duration. Taylor & Bignit will not have been cheap to get rid off but once that decision had been made then Moore should have gone also. I'm totally not au fait with the clauses you can legally insert to a contract, ...but could a club include something like "If x amount of pts have not been accrued by a certain date, then a contract can be terminated at a % of what's owed" Does that make sense? In summary, if you're s**t, then you won't get your full payoff 😂 RW will have learnt from Askey & staff having no break clauses ... You'd hope? Circa £400k down the pan there.
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 1, 2024 13:09:12 GMT 1
That's good to hear, good that he is prepared to muck in as it were. I gather very much needed when it comes to a club like Town where everyone has to chip in here, there and everywhere...👍 This is right. He needs to have a bit more presence around the club and I really don’t think it’s too much to ask to give an update after each transfer window. If he is involved with recruiting at academy level then there’s no closed window, how are they progressing towards the first team et al…? He doesn’t do himself any favours being the silent man. Totally agree Andy, it's about communication. Are we implementing Hurst's 4-2-3-1 throughout the academies now, or is it a free for all? Have we signed any under 14, under 16, under 18 players? Who knows ...
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Post by Valerioch on Mar 1, 2024 13:14:46 GMT 1
This is right. He needs to have a bit more presence around the club and I really don’t think it’s too much to ask to give an update after each transfer window. If he is involved with recruiting at academy level then there’s no closed window, how are they progressing towards the first team et al…? He doesn’t do himself any favours being the silent man. Totally agree Andy, it's about communication. Are we implementing Hurst's 4-2-3-1 throughout the academies now, or is it a free for all? Have we signed any under 14, under 16, under 18 players? Who knows ... A clubs ethos and philosophy has to be implemented from the Youth team upwards, a current example is at Liverpool, the Academy are trained and developed to play the same way as the first team squad, which is why they are stepping up so well currently Sadly I feel we're a million miles from that, we don't even have a positive off field ethos, everything you hear and see is negative, so getting the on field stuff right is practically impossible
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Post by Pilch on Mar 1, 2024 13:27:42 GMT 1
I'm totally not au fait with the clauses you can legally insert to a contract, ...but could a club include something like "If x amount of pts have not been accrued by a certain date, then a contract can be terminated at a % of what's owed" Does that make sense? In summary, if you're s**t, then you won't get your full payoff 😂 RW will have learnt from Askey & staff having no break clauses ... You'd hope? Circa £400k down the pan there. what on earth ? Our chairman had the likes of relegation and performance clauses in managers contracts last century
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Post by jamo on Mar 1, 2024 13:37:18 GMT 1
That’s kind of how I see it also. If the idea was to buy potential then that policy has backfired significantly and put us into a concerning situation in the league table. You can only hope that the contracts offered were on average terms and for a limited duration. Taylor & Bignit will not have been cheap to get rid off but once that decision had been made then Moore should have gone also. I'm totally not au fait with the clauses you can legally insert to a contract, ...but could a club include something like "If x amount of pts have not been accrued by a certain date, then a contract can be terminated at a % of what's owed" Does that make sense? In summary, if you're s**t, then you won't get your full payoff 😂 Yes, I am sure that there are standard PFA contracts that most clubs outside of The Premier League will use/ adapt. Of course any club( as the employer) can seek to add any clause they so wish but any agent or PFA representative worth their salt would counter such moves accordingly
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 1, 2024 13:39:39 GMT 1
Totally agree Andy, it's about communication. Are we implementing Hurst's 4-2-3-1 throughout the academies now, or is it a free for all? Have we signed any under 14, under 16, under 18 players? Who knows ... A clubs ethos and philosophy has to be implemented from the Youth team upwards, a current example is at Liverpool, the Academy are trained and developed to play the same way as the first team squad, which is why they are stepping up so well currently Sadly I feel we're a million miles from that, we don't even have a positive off field ethos, everything you hear and see is negative, so getting the on field stuff right is practically impossible Liverpool certainly seem to have it right. Preventing the scenario of the past few seasons where what seemed to be promising academy players have been binned off at the end has to stop. MM is there to supply the personnel the manager needs, either by recruitment or development, all within the budgetary constraints.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 1, 2024 13:42:26 GMT 1
RW will have learnt from Askey & staff having no break clauses ... You'd hope? Circa £400k down the pan there. what on earth ? Our chairman had the likes of relegation and performance clauses in managers contracts last century I think it's a fair bet that if fans are coming up with it then our (tight fisted) careful Chairman already did it.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 1, 2024 14:09:11 GMT 1
what on earth ? Our chairman had the likes of relegation and performance clauses in managers contracts last century I think it's a fair bet that if fans are coming up with it then our (tight fisted) careful Chairman already did it. Yes of course , if the club say it then we shouldn't believe it , if an armchair critic says it , then it must be true 😝
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Mar 1, 2024 14:23:41 GMT 1
On the communication thing, I worked for a boss who didn’t allow any dialogue outside the organisation. His mantra was ‘knowledge is power’ and what went on was no one else’s business.
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Post by jamo on Mar 1, 2024 14:25:25 GMT 1
On the communication thing, I worked for a boss who didn’t allow any dialogue outside the organisation. His mantra was ‘knowledge is power’ and what went on was no one else’s business. What role did you have at the club?
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Post by dibblydobbly on Mar 1, 2024 14:30:14 GMT 1
On the communication thing, I worked for a boss who didn’t allow any dialogue outside the organisation. His mantra was ‘knowledge is power’ and what went on was no one else’s business. What role did you have at the club? LOL :-)
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Post by PHBA on Mar 1, 2024 14:31:55 GMT 1
On the communication thing, I worked for a boss who didn’t allow any dialogue outside the organisation. His mantra was ‘knowledge is power’ and what went on was no one else’s business. What role did you have at the club? Exalted 🤣 Very good
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Post by Pilch on Mar 1, 2024 14:35:01 GMT 1
On the communication thing, I worked for a boss who didn’t allow any dialogue outside the organisation. His mantra was ‘knowledge is power’ and what went on was no one else’s business. What role did you have at the club? He leaked out news to TWOTS
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 1, 2024 14:41:41 GMT 1
On the communication thing, I worked for a boss who didn’t allow any dialogue outside the organisation. His mantra was ‘knowledge is power’ and what went on was no one else’s business. What role did you have at the club? 😂😂😂 Close off the "2024 comment of the year", it's all over!
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Post by Valerioch on Mar 1, 2024 14:45:11 GMT 1
On the communication thing, I worked for a boss who didn’t allow any dialogue outside the organisation. His mantra was ‘knowledge is power’ and what went on was no one else’s business. What role did you have at the club? Very good
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 1, 2024 14:46:15 GMT 1
The jealousy of others when someone has "an in" at a club is unreal, Jamo had an in for a decade or more, TWOTS was legendary! Proper B&A folklore.
I've got a couple of ins in different areas, been proven right multiple times. I'm sure plenty of others get real info as well, rather than being fed information; there's a big difference.
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 1, 2024 14:46:55 GMT 1
What role did you have at the club? LOL :-) I love your sense of humour, glad you can see the funny side 👍
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Post by PHBA on Mar 2, 2024 13:55:58 GMT 1
The jealousy of others when someone has "an in" at a club is unreal, Jamo had an in for a decade or more, TWOTS was legendary! Proper B&A folklore. I've got a couple of ins in different areas, been proven right multiple times. I'm sure plenty of others get real info as well, rather than being fed information; there's a big difference. It doesnt seem to be as prevalent anymore does it, back in the day this place was rife with little bits and bobs, even outside of Jamos twots. Ahhh those were the days.
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 2, 2024 19:12:10 GMT 1
I think it's a fair bet that if fans are coming up with it then our (tight fisted) careful Chairman already did it. Yes of course , if the club say it then we shouldn't believe it , if an armchair critic says it , then it must be true 😝 But the club haven’t said it 🤔
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Post by jamo on Mar 10, 2024 20:47:27 GMT 1
The way Hurst is beginning to shape and influence the squad the clearer it becomes that the longevity of Mr Moore is a very fragile thing. And that can’t be a bad thing for the club going forward
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Post by Valerioch on Mar 10, 2024 21:02:22 GMT 1
The way Hurst is beginning to shape and influence the squad the clearer it becomes that the longevity of Mr Moore is a very fragile thing. And that can’t be a bad thing for the club going forward Agreed and said this exact thing on my journey home yesterday He’s a waste of a wage, and surplus to requirements
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Post by Pilch on Mar 10, 2024 21:04:08 GMT 1
as if by magic the shop steward arrives
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