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Post by martinshrew on Mar 1, 2024 10:31:37 GMT 1
A lot of willy waving on here, just give your opinions and move on. Interesting take when the obvious has been pointed out to you by others? Maybe you don't want to see it? Disappointing when it's plainly obvious, it's an awkward conversation you clearly don't seem to want to have.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 1, 2024 10:35:43 GMT 1
A lot of willy waving on here, just give your opinions and move on. Interesting take when the obvious has been pointed out to you by others? Maybe you don't want to see it? Disappointing when it's plainly obvious, it's an awkward conversation you clearly don't seem to want to have. happy new year to you too
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 1, 2024 10:41:54 GMT 1
I cut Moore some slack this season. We brought in some decent loan players that we was all excited about. They would not have come cheaply but we never got to see how well they would have turned out as they spent most of the season injured before being sent back. Then we have the punts on the Irish players that we all liked the sound of when they signed but got put into a system and tactics that were (lets face it) pretty awful. January came and we was on the hunt for a striker until MT was sacked so then had to change our target to midfielders. It is impossible to know without the accurate figures but I can imagine some of the players from last season take up a big portion of the wage budget so we have had to do the best we can with what is left. We also have O'Brien who will be on a decent wack but is totally disinterested and had a strop out on loan for most of the season. Don't we have a head of recruitment now? isn't it on him the standard of players we recruit. Moore's job is just to get them to sign the contract I believe? None of us know what Moore does behind the scenes or how good he is at it. I have not heard any grumbles about his character and I fully expect RW is keeping a very close eye on every aspect of the club now after his fingers were burnt and I trust him to make the right decisions. For those saying Hurst is great at recruiting so should be responsible for it I would argue that he just got very very lucky with recruitment last time and fluked a winning formula. His recruitment at Ipswich was terrible and it all went to pot at Grimsby so he isn't perfect. This season has been a poor from the moment the last one ended in most aspects but if we can stumble our way to safety then next season is something to look forward to. For me, that is the best post in the entire thread.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Mar 1, 2024 10:44:28 GMT 1
I still think it's a reasonable question and it would be, even if we were now performing well. The reason why I think it's a reasonable question is because the situation has changed since Moore was appointed.
Firstly, when Moore was appointed we had no CEO, we've since appointed one. Previously Moore seemed to be top dog in terms of running things at the club, how does his role now work alongside Liam's?
Secondly, is we replaced a young, inexperienced head coach and replaced him with an experienced manager. The below is taken from an interview with Moore where he explains what they will be looking for as ahead coach, 6 months later none of this applies as we have gone back down the traditional route
So if you take out the performance/recruitment points (which are valid), there is simply a question as to whether Moore is likely to be here for a long time due to the recruitment of Liam Dooley and Paul Hurst?
"We will be looking for a new head coach whose role will be to come and coach the team and not really look at the rest of the football club. "That will be left to other people, like myself and the outer football board.
"So first of all in terms of the head coach, we need to look for a new one and we are going to go down probably something a little bit different in terms of what you call a traditional manager.
"It will be a coach, someone who has a coaching background. They might have come through the under-21s or under-23s route.
"They might have been an assistant manager or a first-team coach or they may have coached as a head coach somewhere else."
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Post by Pilch on Mar 1, 2024 10:48:57 GMT 1
that's why people start these type of threads , because they want a guaranteed row when someone dares to post in favour of the club To be fair Pilch, look at your first three posts in this thread, they weren’t ‘posts in favour of the club’ they were just mocking your fellow supporters. The New Year’s resolutions have mostly worked well and I’ve tried to comply, but reserve my right to have critical opinions about the club. those games started on post 3 of the thread from jamo , he thought for a sec it was a positive thread, so ridiculed it I just joined in later , I might have stood out as I had a minority opinion , sorry about that , you know how this forum works
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Post by darkshrew on Mar 1, 2024 10:53:57 GMT 1
I know none of the actual salaries but these look believable ranges. Individually and looking just at comparative salaries I'd be surprised if Benno, Burgoyne and Bowman were still on those salaries - maybe their original contracts. If the Mata salary is correct you have to worry that he is on a 3 year contract.
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 1, 2024 10:55:49 GMT 1
I know none of the actual salaries but these look believable ranges. Individually and looking just at comparative salaries I'd be surprised if Benno, Burgoyne and Bowman were still on those salaries - maybe their original contracts. If the Mata salary is correct you have to worry that he is on a 3 year contract. Their figures would make our playing wage budget £3.4m a year. I'm not sure what our overall budget is/was, including non-playing staff.
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Post by vladimir on Mar 1, 2024 11:05:12 GMT 1
At the supporters forum pre Taylors departure there was talk from Moore about doing a newsletter / comms.
All of that seems to have dissapeared or not materialised.
He might get a bit more slack from supporters if they were actually aware of what he is doing outside of recruitment. Ie what is going on with the academy / training ground / off the field community work.
Instead all he is being judged on is a failed head coach appointment, a collection of average signings, and punts on players from Ireland none of which have had any sizeable impact and have only had the merest shimmers of being good acquisitions.
Be nice to find out what Mickey actually does.
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 1, 2024 11:07:13 GMT 1
At the supporters forum pre Taylors departure there was talk from Moore about doing a newsletter / comms. All of that seems to have dissapeared or not materialised. He might get a bit more slack from supporters if they were actually aware of what he is doing outside of recruitment. Ie what is going on with the academy / training ground / off the field community work. Instead all he is being judged on is a failed head coach appointment, a collection of average signings, and punts on players from Ireland none of which have had any sizeable impact and have only had the merest shimmers of being good acquisitions. Be nice to find out what Mickey actually does. Does this not backup what most of us have been saying, literally for over a decade now? COMMUNICATION IS KEY!
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Post by vladimir on Mar 1, 2024 11:10:33 GMT 1
For those saying Hurst is great at recruiting so should be responsible for it I would argue that he just got very very lucky with recruitment last time and fluked a winning formula. His recruitment at Ipswich was terrible and it all went to pot at Grimsby so he isn't perfect So he's lucky when he gets it right but it's his fault when he gets it wrong. Good to see such bizarre logic being openly displayed.
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Post by chirkshrew on Mar 1, 2024 11:12:05 GMT 1
Judging by the poor recruitment.....not a lot!!, but he can do other things to help....clean the changing rooms/brush outside...... Only joking mons......but I would like to know what the job entails 🤔🤔
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Post by PHBA on Mar 1, 2024 11:13:22 GMT 1
For those saying Hurst is great at recruiting so should be responsible for it I would argue that he just got very very lucky with recruitment last time and fluked a winning formula. His recruitment at Ipswich was terrible and it all went to pot at Grimsby so he isn't perfect So he's lucky when he gets it right but it's his fault when he gets it wrong. Good to see such bizarre logic being openly displayed. I don't buy into the thought that he was lucky, it wasn't luck, he didn't just bring in the ilk of Henderson of Godfrey, he brought in jobbing lower leaguers like Toto and Rodman, and facilitated them having an incredible season
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 1, 2024 11:17:14 GMT 1
So he's lucky when he gets it right but it's his fault when he gets it wrong. Good to see such bizarre logic being openly displayed. I don't buy into the thought that he was lucky, it wasn't luck, he didn't just bring in the ilk of Henderson of Godfrey, he brought in jobbing lower leaguers like Toto and Rodman, and facilitated them having an incredible season How is bringing Henderson in lucky? Didn't he have him at Grimsby for a few games, he'd have seen the potential? You could argue Godfrey might've been slightly lucky in the fact he turned into an absolute animal of a CDM, but the vast majority of his signings were class. Just a shame he wasn't backed in the January, he'd earned it.
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Post by PHBA on Mar 1, 2024 11:23:11 GMT 1
I don't buy into the thought that he was lucky, it wasn't luck, he didn't just bring in the ilk of Henderson of Godfrey, he brought in jobbing lower leaguers like Toto and Rodman, and facilitated them having an incredible season How is bringing Henderson in lucky? Didn't he have him at Grimsby for a few games, he'd have seen the potential? You could argue Godfrey might've been slightly lucky in the fact he turned into an absolute animal of a CDM, but the vast majority of his signings were class. Just a shame he wasn't backed in the January, he'd earned it. Yep, my point exactly 👍 That January was our undoing, Blackburn signed Adam Armstrong, we signed Sam Jones. Obviously Armstrong wasn't someone who we could signed, but we needed a greater calibre than who we did sign... Inkeeping with the topic, I don't see any of Moores signings matching the calibre of Hursts that year, even taking out the like of DH and BG
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 1, 2024 11:24:19 GMT 1
A lot of willy waving on here, just give your opinions and move on. Interesting take when the obvious has been pointed out to you by others? Maybe you don't want to see it? Disappointing when it's plainly obvious, it's an awkward conversation you clearly don't seem to want to have. Over and over again, that’s my point. Veiled half truths on both sides ending up with, ‘ I know more than you’ I don’t want to be part of the childish tickle tackle to be honest when the truths somewhere between the two extremes.
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Post by belfastshrew on Mar 1, 2024 11:25:54 GMT 1
Judging by the poor recruitment.....not a lot!!, but he can do other things to help....clean the changing rooms/brush outside...... Only joking mons......but I would like to know what the job entails 🤔🤔 Nah they have recruited the volunteer army to do those jobs mon 🤣
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Post by belfastshrew on Mar 1, 2024 11:27:44 GMT 1
Their figures would make our playing wage budget £3.4m a year. I'm not sure what our overall budget is/was, including non-playing staff. That seems steep to me. Playing budget would be half that I'd say. Maybe add another mill ontop for the non-playing staff.
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 1, 2024 11:35:57 GMT 1
Their figures would make our playing wage budget £3.4m a year. I'm not sure what our overall budget is/was, including non-playing staff. That seems steep to me. Playing budget would be half that I'd say. Maybe add another mill ontop for the non-playing staff. There's accounts for last year if someone has two minutes to check? Will give us a rough idea.
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Post by chirkshrew on Mar 1, 2024 11:40:20 GMT 1
Regarding the Hurst 17/18 season.....the only reason we didn't go up,was junior brown got injured.....he was on fire.....a proper full back/wingback.....missed him loads🤷🤷
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 1, 2024 11:45:53 GMT 1
Regarding the Hurst 17/18 season.....the only reason we didn't go up,was junior brown got injured.....he was on fire.....a proper full back/wingback.....missed him loads🤷🤷 Used to love watching him sneak in to put the rebounds and stray balls in the net, sat behind the goal purposely to see some of them. When his tap ins went in the look on the opposition defenders was something to behold.
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 1, 2024 11:47:04 GMT 1
Their figures would make our playing wage budget £3.4m a year. I'm not sure what our overall budget is/was, including non-playing staff. That seems steep to me. Playing budget would be half that I'd say. Maybe add another mill ontop for the non-playing staff. Here is the extract from the accounts: "The accounts give details of the total amount spent on salaries/ wages – this covers all club staff including players. The amount spent on salaries in the 2021/22 season was £4.4m"
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Post by PHBA on Mar 1, 2024 11:50:29 GMT 1
Regarding the Hurst 17/18 season.....the only reason we didn't go up,was junior brown got injured.....he was on fire.....a proper full back/wingback.....missed him loads🤷🤷 I also think Ogogos sending off against Northampton contributed
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Post by mrcricket on Mar 1, 2024 12:11:12 GMT 1
The Salaries from the link I posted seem about right, although there are some I'd expected to be on more and vice versa.
I wouldn't be too happy if my salary was posted online though, but then again its a bit like house prices etc.
I wonder how much MM is on as well compared to some of the players.
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Post by chirkshrew on Mar 1, 2024 12:11:28 GMT 1
Yep....didn't help👍
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Mar 1, 2024 12:12:05 GMT 1
Going back on topic re Mr Moore. I've just been to the ground to pick up my tickets for tonight's 30th anniversary event. I was served by MM at the ticket office window 😁..so now you know what his new job is
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 1, 2024 12:30:46 GMT 1
Going back on topic re Mr Moore. I've just been to the ground to pick up my tickets for tonight's 30th anniversary event. I was served by MM at the ticket office window 😁..so now you know what his new job is That's good to hear, good that he is prepared to muck in as it were. I gather very much needed when it comes to a club like Town where everyone has to chip in here, there and everywhere...👍
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 1, 2024 12:32:26 GMT 1
The Salaries from the link I posted seem about right, although there are some I'd expected to be on more and vice versa. I wouldn't be too happy if my salary was posted online though, but then again its a bit like house prices etc. I wonder how much MM is on as well compared to some of the players. I can't say I have ever taken such sites seriously. Surely this is just guess work? How would they have any idea how much certain players are earning?
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Post by Pilch on Mar 1, 2024 12:39:17 GMT 1
The Salaries from the link I posted seem about right, although there are some I'd expected to be on more and vice versa. I wouldn't be too happy if my salary was posted online though, but then again its a bit like house prices etc. I wonder how much MM is on as well compared to some of the players. I can't say I have ever taken such sites seriously. Surely this is just guess work? How would they have any idea how much certain players are earning? It's basically click bait and the amount of people who think it's genuine is incredible , I bet most footballers don't even know what most of their team mates are on 🤩
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Post by PHBA on Mar 1, 2024 12:39:35 GMT 1
Going back on topic re Mr Moore. I've just been to the ground to pick up my tickets for tonight's 30th anniversary event. I was served by MM at the ticket office window 😁..so now you know what his new job is That's good to hear, good that he is prepared to muck in as it were. I gather very much needed when it comes to a club like Town where everyone has to chip in here, there and everywhere...👍 Sorry Stutty, respectfully to you etc.. that isn't the case, it's not like he's mucking in, this only ever happens when those in the upper echelons of the football club are trying to curry favour with others, be it those in the engine room, or to us mere customers.. it generally happens when thier backside is twitching and they need a little support as it were. In my opinion of course.
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 1, 2024 12:43:33 GMT 1
Going back on topic re Mr Moore. I've just been to the ground to pick up my tickets for tonight's 30th anniversary event. I was served by MM at the ticket office window 😁..so now you know what his new job is That's good to hear, good that he is prepared to muck in as it were. I gather very much needed when it comes to a club like Town where everyone has to chip in here, there and everywhere...👍 This is right. He needs to have a bit more presence around the club and I really don’t think it’s too much to ask to give an update after each transfer window. If he is involved with recruiting at academy level then there’s no closed window, how are they progressing towards the first team et al…? He doesn’t do himself any favours being the silent man.
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