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Post by davycrockett on Jan 21, 2024 16:13:50 GMT 1
Typical you go for a post lunch walk and everything kicks off. Really does seem like its crisis management in the Town boardroom at the moment, and I'm not confident that we've hit rock bottom yet. First we get the fall out from whatever happened with Cotterill the CEO and Wycherley last season; then the development of a new Director of Football route - with it unclear on how the new DOF got recruited; then after what we were told was and extensive recruitment for a new coach, the "chosen one" lasts just over 6 months. Timing does seem a little odd as arguably the Stevenage result and performance was far worse than the Peterborough one yesterday, which did contain a few positives amongst the recent performances. I'm assuming the sudden decision means Mr Hurst is coming in tomorrow and provides a bit of extra time for him to work on transfers and getting the team into shape for the next round of games. If he can get Henderson, Godfrey and Morris back on loan I fancy our chances of staying up, but fear a second return won't be as productive as the first spell in charge. Were it not for him being with us before, his record over recent years wouldn't even see him on the shortlist for the job, so its a big ask to recapture that spell again, especially with the financial struggles the club seems to be facing And just maybe he’s the only person who can resurrect Jon Nolan’s career? Are Waterfall and Pyke available?
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Post by kenwood on Jan 21, 2024 16:15:37 GMT 1
Priceless, made me chuckle a lot. DC seems to have his finger on the pulse thanks to his GS’s connections with Hurst’s daughter so it would appear that Wycherley is fed up with trawling the fertile ground of ex managers and has obviously thought, hang on that Ferguson bloke at Peterborough has had a few chances with the same club , so has Wilder at Sheffield, bugger it let’s have a punt on my old mates Hurst and his big mate Doig . You never know , the fans may give him a rough time but it least they won’t be calling for me to go - what a result . Mellon, Coyne, Hurst, Askey, Coyne, Ricketts , Cotterill, Taylor , Hurst ? Bloody hell, we’re turning into Watford FC . Have a guess what the common denominator is apart from the fact they all managed Shrewsbury Town FC .
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Post by lancsman on Jan 21, 2024 16:19:19 GMT 1
Like the Matt Sadler idea. IMO sacking MT now puts us in the silly season, so here's some silly ideas: 1. Put Flanagan in temporary charge, he reckons he knows what's wrong. A super cheap option because he's already on the payroll? Tell him to put his money where his mouth is. 2. Come on BC, you must know people? Come in with a consortium to buy the club and put SC back in charge (I bet he wouldn't).
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Post by wickedwilleh on Jan 21, 2024 16:20:12 GMT 1
How can anyone take a word said seriously in that supporters parliament? "Total faith in Taylor", blah blah blah. Utter nonsense, I don't trust Moore as far as I could shove him. I want him gone ASAP. I feel a bit sorry for Taylor to be honest. What is he going to say? If we don't win at Posh he's gone. Sometimes people on here don't live in the real world.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jan 21, 2024 16:21:49 GMT 1
All the best Matt, Seems a genuinely good guy but unfortunately things have not worked out.
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Post by lancsman on Jan 21, 2024 16:23:50 GMT 1
I’m thinking that whoever wants to take over wants a clean sheet to work with and not baggage to pay for. This way Wycherley will get his money and we will get an owner who can get the club back on its feet. If the Greenhouse owner comes back the cost of salop is a drop in the ocean for him and we will get a decent manager and a board hopefully.
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Post by jamo on Jan 21, 2024 16:28:39 GMT 1
Of course that is the solution. It has to be if the club is to survive. Taylor’s departure is merely papering over the cracks and an attempt to deflect attention away from the increasing pressure on the boardroom. I actually think this is a desperate, cowardly act by the chairman, if he was serious and genuine In intentions then Moore would have gone at the same time. But he hasn’t, because the chairman needs a comfort blanket for what’s coming. Good luck to Taylor wherever his career takes him
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 21, 2024 16:36:20 GMT 1
Dpes anyone else have a concern that in 5 years time MT will be managing a team higher up the league than we are, either because he does well or we don't?
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jan 21, 2024 16:37:12 GMT 1
If Hurst doesn't come back what about Dave Edwards till end of the season? Not possible without coaching badges, can't just appoint anyone as a manager/coach these days. There is a team in in France, Rheims who appointed Will Still as coach whose only experience was FM, he's doing so well they 20k euros fine every game he is in charge. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64554492
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Post by shrewswolf on Jan 21, 2024 16:38:22 GMT 1
I hope Taylor gets a chance lower down the pyramid where the expectation is low & he gets to play the way HE wants football to be played. Walsall fans thought he had to go but generally felt the football was good. Here, it was largely horrific. I understand MT himself reckoned he learnt from that spell there and had to know when to ‘come away’ from his philosophy but it went way further than that. A good bloke who I feel sorry for.
That said, making it Hurst relevant, I’d bet he too would have found ways to talk to Ipswich before a deal was done and he too would have upped sticks if money & opportunity called. As would SC. It’s football, nobody is completely trustworthy. Roland himself has been sorting the Hurst return out with MT still in charge. So how do the anti-Hurst but pro-Roland feel about that? It’s just one of those industries. Heroes and villains everywhere. Roland has never lost trust in Hurst, he’s tried before to get him back. Clearly never saw things the way Caldwell did.
I think the large majority of fans are ‘over’ it and the idea we were lucky in his magic season is absurd. We were really good, the signings were really ****ing good. Lucky? Yes please. Sure, it won’t happen like that again but I think there is enough here already for Hurst to work with and improve. He’s managed a promotion since he left here. It’s a better CV than most we could attract, isn’t it.
Come on the Town.
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Post by mattmw on Jan 21, 2024 16:39:54 GMT 1
Whatever the rights and wrongs were of Paul Hurst's departure, I will always be grateful for one of the best seasons in over 60 years of following the Town. What's readily forgotten, is his achievement in steadying the ship when first appointed. He inherited a far worse squad than is currently in place (full of "league one ready" players, and a dressing room "full of captains") and performed miracles in keeping us up. If the rumours are to be believed, then I'm sure that a team with structure and balance, with a system that suits the abilities of the players at his disposal, will soon follow. Oddly Hurst didn't actually start that well when he joined us as his first 10 games we W3 D2 L5 which was the same return Mellon had in his last 10 games, it was really the next set of ten games that the results picked up where we won 6, drew 3 and lost 1 In the loan window he brought in Tyler Roberts, Toto Nisala, Rodman, Bryn Morris and Ladapo and Payne which really helped us kick on and improve results. Assuming he is apponted again we'd all settle for that kind of turn around again. Just wonder how much scope there is to get 3-4 loan players in, as I'm not sure bringing the best out of the squad we have is necessarily his strong point
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 21, 2024 16:40:40 GMT 1
Good luck to Taylor, nothing against the chap personally but I'm still at a loss as to why we appointed him in the first place considering his lack of experience and success (and more so at this level). Yet another, in a pretty long list now, of disappointing appointments by the chairman that once again sees us wasting yet another season just trying to avoid relegation. So we start again, again.
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 21, 2024 16:44:29 GMT 1
Is the chairman escaping all criticism? Another poor appointment, another pay off ...
It's really unacceptable this, just got to hope he's gone very soon.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Jan 21, 2024 16:48:58 GMT 1
"Other possible candidates include ex-Shrewsbury defender Dean Holden, Wolves coach Ian Burchnall and Barnet boss Dean Brennan. Shrewsbury previously spoke to former Northern Ireland manager Ian Baraclough and Celtic's Gavin Strachan before appointing Taylor..."www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68049718
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jan 21, 2024 16:53:59 GMT 1
Various criticisms of Hurst, but in my 35 years of supporting town, he's the only manager that was actually wanted by another club and we got compensation for, rather than being sacked
He also bought 2 of our better players for lots of money, neither of whom did much anywhere else
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Post by bertymax on Jan 21, 2024 16:54:29 GMT 1
Maybe not a popular opinion but I think Gareth Ainsworth would be a good fit. Tried and tested at this level
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Post by greeny on Jan 21, 2024 16:57:10 GMT 1
Michael Duff. Is he out of our league now?? Surely with the Cheltenham links he would be in the mix.
As much as I loved the Hurst season, I don’t think he can manage that again and he’s hardly set the world alight since he left us.
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Post by mrcricket on Jan 21, 2024 16:57:27 GMT 1
Feel for the guy a little bit but don't think he was ever the right man to take over from Cotterill.
Hurst will be back by the end of the week.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jan 21, 2024 16:58:04 GMT 1
Yep....he paid peanuts for nsiala and Nolan....best centre half I've seen at town for years.....not many got past him,that I can remember...and Nolan linked up play very well...and scored a few too........UTT
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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on Jan 21, 2024 16:58:07 GMT 1
Somebody go set up camp at the ground
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 21, 2024 17:07:45 GMT 1
Somebody go set up camp at the ground
You'll probably find our new head coach hunters in Lidl.
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Post by gtismygod on Jan 21, 2024 17:19:44 GMT 1
But Moore is staying and Hurst won’t work under a DOF, so how would it work?
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Post by Pilch on Jan 21, 2024 17:22:36 GMT 1
But Moore is staying and Hurst won’t work under a DOF, so how would it work? I think Hurst is so desperate he would work under any agreement and also agree to walk if we get relegated, I think that would be a non negotiable clause in whoever's contract
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 21, 2024 17:24:01 GMT 1
My observations was that Taylor was just Moore's puppet, we should sack Moore, I hope Taylor gets a chance at a lower league to show what he can do
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jan 21, 2024 17:24:30 GMT 1
Whilst I'm pleased that a change was made, I take no joy in seeing Taylor sacked. He seemed a genuine & honest bloke and of course was unlucky with injuries, however there's no denying that the football was largely dire and recent results have of course been awful. Ultimately I see this as a failure of Roland/Mickey, they gambled on a unproven appointment and it hasn't worked out. Plus there will be a financial element to the firing/hiring which we apparently can't afford.
The next appointment will of course be interesting, the obvious thing is we are now hamstrung by being limited to managers who are willing to work with a DoF, specifically Mickey Moore.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jan 21, 2024 17:28:09 GMT 1
Talk about fine margins. If we had defended that corner properly at Peterborough and got a draw would MT have left the club? He seemed a decent bloke but he was left with our weakest squad for a decade (especially upfront) and suffered a horrendous injury crisis. It would have been great if he had had more success and I wish him well. Talking about the recruitment (which I think is the main reason for our current position) why does not MM accept the responsibility for that as I was under the impression that was a large part of his remit. As for a new manager I would not be averse to Hurst returning as he would at least get the team fitter and better organised. His record since leaving us is a bit of a concern though and would such an experienced manger accept working under a DOF? I think on balance I would prefer a new name for us and, of the other candidates mentioned, think Holden would fit the bill.
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Post by mrcricket on Jan 21, 2024 17:28:46 GMT 1
I guess everyone's caught in the romance of a Hurst (or dare I say it) Cotterill return but yes as mentioned above its Micky Moore who is the Master of Puppets here at STFC perhaps.
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Post by cabanas2017 on Jan 21, 2024 17:30:24 GMT 1
Begs the question how much faith we have left in RW to make the next appointment a good one. 🥺
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Post by gtismygod on Jan 21, 2024 17:30:55 GMT 1
My observations was that Taylor was just Moore's puppet, we should sack Moore, I hope Taylor gets a chance at a lower league to show what he can do In what way was he a puppet? Moore has confirmed everything on a match day was 100% Taylor - tactics, formation, team selection, substitutions etc.
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 21, 2024 17:33:06 GMT 1
He also said he had faith in him.
Do we really believe anything he says?
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