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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 19, 2024 22:21:09 GMT 1
Are the Nordic group rogues then? What are you basing that on? are they legit ? What are you basing that on ? Well they bought Burton Albion and are current owners. I have no information whatsoever that they are not legit, that they are rouges, that they are mishandling the club, that there are improprieties. Can you let us know the information you have that counters that? Are they not legit then? |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 19, 2024 22:26:01 GMT 1
are they legit ? What are you basing that on ? Well they bought Burton Albion and are current owners. I have no information whatsoever that they are not legit, that they are rouges, that they are mishandling the club, that there are improprieties. Can you let us know the information you have that counters that? Are they not legit then? I already made my point |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 19, 2024 22:29:11 GMT 1
Well they bought Burton Albion and are current owners. I have no information whatsoever that they are not legit, that they are rouges, that they are mishandling the club, that there are improprieties. Can you let us know the information you have that counters that? Are they not legit then? I already made my point So nothing then. Fair enough we have to wait and see how it pans out but I don't think its worth speculating until we have some proof that something is amiss. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 19, 2024 22:32:27 GMT 1
So nothing then. Fair enough we have to wait and see how it pans out but I don't think its worth speculating until we have some proof that something is amiss. They also changed their name not that long ago , if they were a double glazing door knocking company who keep calling wouldn't you be suspicious of them , I certainly would |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2024 1:59:10 GMT 1
So nothing then. Fair enough we have to wait and see how it pans out but I don't think its worth speculating until we have some proof that something is amiss. They also changed their name not that long ago , if they were a double glazing door knocking company who keep calling wouldn't you be suspicious of them , I certainly would Are they legit?....mmm let's see..oh the bloke that headed the consortium is heavily involved in the H&M retail chain....sounds quite legit to me "But they changed their name recently "....standard business practice When setting up a new company you buy a company name "off the shelf" and then change it to the name that you want. Inevitably the company names are things like Exodus 78. It's much easier, simpler and faster than registering a new company name Oh and I will throw this one in for good measure " they wanted a 12 month exclusivity period" Expclusivity periods are for the buyers to complete their due diligence on the company that they are buying. Most periods are between 30 and 60 days. Occasionally, e.g. for a very large corporation, they may extend to 120 days. I've hunted high and low for one that went on for a year with no success...especially for a tin pot football club with a £6 million turnover.......that one goes down in the annals of history with the little girls story |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 20, 2024 7:37:25 GMT 1
They also changed their name not that long ago , if they were a double glazing door knocking company who keep calling wouldn't you be suspicious of them , I certainly would Are they legit?....mmm let's see..oh the bloke that headed the consortium is heavily involved in the H&M retail chain....sounds quite legit to me "But they changed their name recently "....standard business practice When setting up a new company you buy a company name "off the shelf" and then change it to the name that you want. Inevitably the company names are things like Exodus 78. It's much easier, simpler and faster than registering a new company name Oh and I will throw this one in for good measure " they wanted a 12 month exclusivity period" Expclusivity periods are for the buyers to complete their due diligence on the company that they are buying. Most periods are between 30 and 60 days. Occasionally, e.g. for a very large corporation, they may extend to 120 days. I've hunted high and low for one that went on for a year with no success...especially for a tin pot football club with a £6 million turnover.......that one goes down in the annals of history with the little girls story you missing the point, he said we know they are legit as they went on to buy a football club, I chucked in a throw away comment saying buying a club doesnt prove anyone is legit, there are numerous examples of people who have bought clubs that are not legit, and the main point here is every time they turned up here they had not bought a club, in fact they had spent 4 years wasting various clubs time including our own 3 previous times, there is enough red flags there to lynch someone for selling to them if it turned bad later, and to cap it all , youve decided to pick and choose and conveniently change the bits of known info to suit |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2024 8:24:01 GMT 1
What I've done is reply to your exact comments with either known information or details on business processes that you don't know about.
You are attempting to muddy the waters and cover for your lack of knowledge by attempting to say I missed the point....I didn't and haven't.
You are also quoting RW ad inverbatium, he knows he messed up a huge opportunity and has planted his own red flags,when talking to you,to paint a picture that he didnt get it wrong knowing full well that his comments would be published on B & A...its a common human reaction to blame the other party when you cant justify your own actions to yourself
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Post by Pilch on Aug 20, 2024 8:56:10 GMT 1
What I've done is reply to your exact comments with either known information or details on business processes that you don't know about. You are attempting to muddy the waters and cover for your lack of knowledge by attempting to say I missed the point....I didn't and haven't. You are also quoting RW ad inverbatium, he knows he messed up a huge opportunity and has planted his own red flags,when talking to you,to paint a picture that he didnt get it wrong knowing full well that his comments would be published on B & A...its a common human reaction to blame the other party when you cant justify your own actions to yourself as I mentioned , my comment to stutty was a throw away comment just to point out buying a club is not proof you are legit , nothing more nothing less |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2024 9:26:20 GMT 1
Your are quite right. Some of the negative posters on this messageboard live in a parallel universe. Similarly, some of those who rush to shout down any criticism of the club appear to be living in 1999 where we are tiny little football club and we should be grateful for simply having a football club to support |
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Post by servernaside on Aug 20, 2024 10:08:49 GMT 1
Your are quite right. Some of the negative posters on this messageboard live in a parallel universe. Similarly, some of those who rush to shout down any criticism of the club appear to be living in 1999 where we are tiny little football club and we should be grateful for simply having a football club to support We are a tiny little club in the overall scheme of things. See my earlier note on parallel universes. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 20, 2024 10:08:54 GMT 1
So nothing then. Fair enough we have to wait and see how it pans out but I don't think its worth speculating until we have some proof that something is amiss. They also changed their name not that long ago , if they were a double glazing door knocking company who keep calling wouldn't you be suspicious of them , I certainly would So again, nothing. Do you have any proof, as in real proof, that the new owners of Burton are not legit nor genuine in their purchase of and plans for Burton Albion? What proof do you have that they are, in your words, rouges? Because at the moment you seem to be suggesting that they have done so for ulterior motives. Because they changed the name of the business? I'm not up on these things but I fail to see the issue here unless you can specifically point it out to me? And if I understood your second point; you think it strange that a consortium who were looking to purchase a club would continue to reach out to a club that was known to be for sale because they were looking to buy it? Really? All that shows me is that we probably met whatever criteria they had in mind and they were looking to complete the take over. Because they were genuinely looking to buy a club (as they eventually did with Burton). I doubt they were looking at too many clubs so I don't find it suspicious that they continued to try and reach out to us. Who knows how things will pan out at Burton, you might well be right, that remains to be seen. But to have already dismissed their purchase and take over as something malevolent based on absolutely nothing.  I just don't get that at all. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 20, 2024 10:23:34 GMT 1
What I've done is reply to your exact comments with either known information or details on business processes that you don't know about. You are attempting to muddy the waters and cover for your lack of knowledge by attempting to say I missed the point....I didn't and haven't. You are also quoting RW ad inverbatium, he knows he messed up a huge opportunity and has planted his own red flags,when talking to you,to paint a picture that he didnt get it wrong knowing full well that his comments would be published on B & A...its a common human reaction to blame the other party when you cant justify your own actions to yourself as I mentioned , my comment to stutty was a throw away comment just to point out buying a club is not proof you are legit , nothing more nothing less Then I guess that would go for any potential buyers. But anyhow, my comments are directed more towards the purchase of the club. As in; they were seeking to buy a club, they were genuine and legit in that sense. Because they went on to purchase Burton. Maybe Burton involved less money to complete the takeover, who knows. Perhaps in buying Burton there were funds remaining to invest which may not have been the case if they would have purchased Town (maybe we were asking for more). But at the moment this is all guess work. But what we do know is that they there were in the market to buy a club. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 20, 2024 11:40:54 GMT 1
as I mentioned , my comment to stutty was a throw away comment just to point out buying a club is not proof you are legit , nothing more nothing less Then I guess that would go for any potential buyers. But anyhow, my comments are directed more towards the purchase of the club. As in; they were seeking to buy a club, they were genuine and legit in that sense. Because they went on to purchase Burton. Maybe Burton involved less money to complete the takeover, who knows. Perhaps in buying Burton there were funds remaining to invest which may not have been the case if they would have purchased Town (maybe we were asking for more). But at the moment this is all guess work. But what we do know is that they there were in the market to buy a club. I remember when the narrative was they didn't buy because Roland demanded to stay on and they didn't want an ex chairman hanging around 😝😝😝😝 |
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Aug 20, 2024 12:36:55 GMT 1
Lots of knowns and even more unknowns. I prefer to stick with what I know, which is that Roland's refusal to take any responsibility for or ownership of the current financial mess we're in is quite frankly a disgrace and his buck passing of any culpability, despite being chairman, is frankly astonishing. Again, I'm not expert, but I'd be surprised if there were many Chairman in otherwise credible businesses who didn't take ultimate responsibility for the state that a business finds itself in. If he trusted others and they let him down IT'S STILL HIS FAULT!
The upshot of all this, quite simply, is that this leaves me with zero confidence in his future ability to manage this football club. What that means in terms of buyers or consortia or future prospects or anything else I simply don't know, I just know Roland is right on the cusp, if not already some way beyond, of ruining all the genuine good that he's done for this team over many years.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 20, 2024 12:47:05 GMT 1
Lots of knowns and even more unknowns. I prefer to stick with what I know, which is that Roland's refusal to take any responsibility for or ownership of the current financial mess we're in is quite frankly a disgrace and his buck passing of any culpability, despite being chairman, is frankly astonishing. Again, I'm not expert, but I'd be surprised if there were many Chairman in otherwise credible businesses who didn't take ultimate responsibility for the state that a business finds itself in. If he trusted others and they let him down IT'S STILL HIS FAULT! The upshot of all this, quite simply, is that this leaves me with zero confidence in his future ability to manage this football club. What that means in terms of buyers or consortia or future prospects or anything else I simply don't know, I just know Roland is right on the cusp, if not already some way beyond, of ruining all the genuine good that he's done for this team over many years. Roland out. The irony of your opening sentences |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2024 12:48:50 GMT 1
I think it's worthwhile looking back at what Ben Robinson said at the time of the merger www.burtonalbionfc.co.uk/news/2024/june/0306-chairman/You sense that there was a clear alignment between his wishes for the club going forward and that of the new owners. Pure conjecture but perhaps that was something missing when it came to our Chairman's discussions? |
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Aug 20, 2024 12:56:32 GMT 1
Lots of knowns and even more unknowns. I prefer to stick with what I know, which is that Roland's refusal to take any responsibility for or ownership of the current financial mess we're in is quite frankly a disgrace and his buck passing of any culpability, despite being chairman, is frankly astonishing. Again, I'm not expert, but I'd be surprised if there were many Chairman in otherwise credible businesses who didn't take ultimate responsibility for the state that a business finds itself in. If he trusted others and they let him down IT'S STILL HIS FAULT! The upshot of all this, quite simply, is that this leaves me with zero confidence in his future ability to manage this football club. What that means in terms of buyers or consortia or future prospects or anything else I simply don't know, I just know Roland is right on the cusp, if not already some way beyond, of ruining all the genuine good that he's done for this team over many years. Roland out. The irony of your opening sentences Sorry Mr. or Mrs. Pilch, I'm not really one for cryptic messages like this so I don't completely understand the point you're making. Are you suggesting that Roland has in fact taken ownership of, and responsibility for, the financial mess we're in? And that I'm therefore misdirecting my ire here? If so, I may have missed it, with my apologies if so. My understanding was that he sought to deflect all the blame on Cotteril and Caldwell. Again, based on my limited understanding, both of them would appear to be highly culpable, but when a business messes up, as clearly appears to have happened here, the ultimate responsibility always rests with the person at the top. Often they have to fall on their sword. That's just how businesses work. My beef with him is not that things went wrong so much as it's with his abject failure to take responsibility. It's that which makes me question his judgement and, therefore, affects my confidence in his ability to effectively steward 'our' club. As ever, and as always, respectful debate and discussion is always welcomed. Roland out. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 20, 2024 13:00:33 GMT 1
The irony of your opening sentences Sorry Mr. or Mrs. Pilch, I'm not really one for cryptic messages like this so I don't completely understand the point you're making. Are you suggesting that Roland has in fact taken ownership of, and responsibility for, the financial mess we're in? And that I'm therefore misdirecting my ire here? If so, I may have missed it, with my apologies if so. My understanding was that he sought to deflect all the blame on Cotteril and Caldwell. Again, based on my limited understanding, both of them would appear to be highly culpable, but when a business messes up, as clearly appears to have happened here, the ultimate responsibility always rests with the person at the top. Often they have to fall on their sword. That's just how businesses work. My beef with him is not that things went wrong so much as it's with his abject failure to take responsibility. It's that which makes me question his judgement and, therefore, affects my confidence in his ability to effectively steward 'our' club. As ever, and as always, respectful debate and discussion is always welcomed. Roland out. 3 decades of improvement on and more importantly off the pitch , yep it's all down to him 👍 Well done mr chairman , a hard act to follow , one that no one has had the bottle to do just that yet |
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Aug 20, 2024 13:19:47 GMT 1
Sorry Mr. or Mrs. Pilch, I'm not really one for cryptic messages like this so I don't completely understand the point you're making. Are you suggesting that Roland has in fact taken ownership of, and responsibility for, the financial mess we're in? And that I'm therefore misdirecting my ire here? If so, I may have missed it, with my apologies if so. My understanding was that he sought to deflect all the blame on Cotteril and Caldwell. Again, based on my limited understanding, both of them would appear to be highly culpable, but when a business messes up, as clearly appears to have happened here, the ultimate responsibility always rests with the person at the top. Often they have to fall on their sword. That's just how businesses work. My beef with him is not that things went wrong so much as it's with his abject failure to take responsibility. It's that which makes me question his judgement and, therefore, affects my confidence in his ability to effectively steward 'our' club. As ever, and as always, respectful debate and discussion is always welcomed. Roland out. 3 decades of improvement on and more importantly off the pitch , yep it's all down to him 👍 Well done mr chairman , a hard act to follow , one that no one has had the bottle to do just that yet I haven't and won't ever criticise Roland for all that he has done for the club and, with the greatest respect, I think you're deliberately choosing to miss my point. He has for years been a highly effective steward during an at times challenging period for the club. He didn't get everything right but he should feel very proud, as I feel pleased, for all he has done, and having followed this club for 35 years I well know the positive journey he has taken us on. However, that does not mean we have to be lifetime sycophants and I am allowed to feel let down, dismayed, disappointed, annoyed and even, being honest, angry, about his recent conduct in overseeing (or, plainly, it seems not overseeing) the mess we currently find ourselves in. As someone who has long been impressed, pleased and proud of the way he has navigated STFC through often troubled waters, he does have some credit in the bank, but the simple fact is that I can't get anywhere other than seriously questioning his business acumen and judgement in allowing the overspend but, way more than the fact that it happened, my main concern is that his continuing inability to take any responsibility for it is inexcusable. Again, at the risk of repeating myself (notwithstanding that this respectful and robust discussion appears sadly to be pretty one sided), that is my beef with him and it has caused me to have no faith in, or confidence with, his ability to any longer shepherd 'our' club. Roland out. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2024 13:34:18 GMT 1
Stowmarket hitting the nail on the head with every one of his posts 👍
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Post by Pilch on Aug 20, 2024 14:40:32 GMT 1
Stowmarket hitting the nail on the head with every one of his posts 👍 and yet hes not grasped the fact the chairman is desperate to sell the club, the club is for sale, and no one is buying Roland Out is a pointless statement no matter how many times you tart it up |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 20, 2024 14:42:13 GMT 1
Stowmarket hitting the nail on the head with every one of his posts 👍 yes, he sure is  |
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Aug 20, 2024 14:52:21 GMT 1
Stowmarket hitting the nail on the head with every one of his posts 👍 and yet hes not grasped the fact the chairman is desperate to sell the club, the club is for sale, and no one is buying Roland Out is a pointless statement no matter how many times you tart it up Absolutely everything has a price that means it will sell, so if it's not selling it means the price is wrong.... |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 20, 2024 14:54:01 GMT 1
Then I guess that would go for any potential buyers. But anyhow, my comments are directed more towards the purchase of the club. As in; they were seeking to buy a club, they were genuine and legit in that sense. Because they went on to purchase Burton. Maybe Burton involved less money to complete the takeover, who knows. Perhaps in buying Burton there were funds remaining to invest which may not have been the case if they would have purchased Town (maybe we were asking for more). But at the moment this is all guess work. But what we do know is that they there were in the market to buy a club. I remember when the narrative was they didn't buy because Roland demanded to stay on and they didn't want an ex chairman hanging around 😝😝😝😝 Not sure that is the case or not. But the fact is they were looking to buy a club, did so and it wasn't us. We had other irons in the fire apparently. Whether those irons remain in the fire after all this time though, who knows. |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 20, 2024 15:01:21 GMT 1
I think it's worthwhile looking back at what Ben Robinson said at the time of the merger www.burtonalbionfc.co.uk/news/2024/june/0306-chairman/You sense that there was a clear alignment between his wishes for the club going forward and that of the new owners. Pure conjecture but perhaps that was something missing when it came to our Chairman's discussions? So Nordic Football Club UK Ltd are still prepared to allow Robinson and his family to remain an integral part of the Club. What's not to like RW? "While I am selling the Club, I am delighted to share with you that I, along with Fleur, who is returning home from Wrexham to be the Club’s CEO, and Ben Jr., will continue to be an integral part of Burton Albion. I am very thankful that NFG has provided me and my family with the opportunity for us to work together for the foreseeable future". |
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Post by lancsman on Aug 20, 2024 15:02:04 GMT 1
The club is up for sale but conditions are being attached to any sale which are putting off any potential
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Post by Pilch on Aug 20, 2024 15:04:39 GMT 1
and yet hes not grasped the fact the chairman is desperate to sell the club, the club is for sale, and no one is buying Roland Out is a pointless statement no matter how many times you tart it up Absolutely everything has a price that means it will sell, so if it's not selling it means the price is wrong.... our club is a poor investment to anyone we have sat for 10 years pretty much punching above our weight if our club is worth £10M and the chairman wants £10M for it then any new owner would gain nothing if they decided to asset strip the club maybe he could lower the price and sell to some random dodgy geeza who immediately cashes in like many have done for all those who think a new chairman is going to take our club to a new level then surely its one who rocks up with the cash in a suitcase, hands it over in turn for the keys to the door and then he nips to the bank to fill the suitcase up again so as to take us forward not one that wastes 4 years trying to barter for the sake of a few quid, and not exactly hit the ground running at Burton have they, they cant have done, the Burton thread is dead , it would have been on fire had they won both games and not got dicked in the cup |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2024 15:18:39 GMT 1
So much wrong in your post that it goes beyond taking the time out to reply to you as your obviously just trolling.
I'll tell you what I will do,if its allowed.You like a flutter,I dont bet at all but I will have £5 with you that Burton finish higher up L1 than us
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Post by Pilch on Aug 20, 2024 15:23:46 GMT 1
So much wrong in your post that it goes beyond taking the time out to reply to you as your obviously just trolling. I'll tell you what I will do,if its allowed.You like a flutter,I dont bet at all but I will have £5 with you that Burton finish higher up L1 than us what odds are you offering me ? |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 20, 2024 15:24:28 GMT 1
The club is up for sale but conditions are being attached to any sale which are putting off any potential purchaser. this is one of those made up narratives I mentioned |
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I just don't get that at all.
