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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 16:50:22 GMT 1
In terms of increasing the revenue the club makes there could be a number of approaches. Perhaps the easiest one is looking at match day and working out how best to fill the approximately 8,000 seats we have available. Broadly speaking the cost of each match day set at a fixed cost to the club, in terms of staff they employ, policing costs etc, so the club should have an idea of the "break even" attendance they need each match. Any they seat on top of that is effectively cost free to them, as they don't have additional costs to make so effectively every seat above the break even figure is a profit of ÂŁ15 or so (assuming kids, OAP's etc pay less than adults) So promotional offers or extra match day activities to boost attendances is probably the most cost effective approach - which is why fan and new customer engagement is so important. The other approach is to run none footballing activities at the ground which can make a profit. I have slightly more sypmathy with the club on this as hospitality, meals, bars, conferences etc do require a fair bit of outlay, and the profits aren't great, and is also quite a competative market. I think I'd be looking at a model where the club rents out space to outside organinastons at a relatively low fee - but then the ooutside body is responsible for the event and its running. The club would make less money per event, but would hopefully get a range of regular bookings and relatively little upfront cost to them. Plus by getting none football fans into and around the staduim it might help awareness of the club and its facilities with a wider range of people I'm going to disagree here. I think matchday is harder, they can do cheap tickets or even give them away but ultimately its results which will drive how many people will go. Last Saturday I couldn't make the game and literally couldn't give my seasoin ticket away to friends, all of which are casual fans, none are interested in going at the moment. I of course take your point that giving them to schools/youth groups is a good idea and hopefully some of those will become fans longer term but it's not going to have a signifcant increase, certainly not short term. And in terms of hospitality, this is where my biggest frustration lies as we can't get the basics right. For example, we have been at the ground 16 years and I couldn't tell you when the restaurant is open? Is it every day? Matchday only? Sundays? Only special events such as Easter? In this day and age I shouldn't have to ring the club to find out when the restaurant is open. And I'll always come back to it but Smithy's is a prime example of the lack of business acumen of those involved at the club. The launch of it was such a damp squib that we were basically saying 'it's business as usual' rather than trying to draw people in , there was the talk of working with fans and trying to make it a venue that people would go to throughout the week. Shock horror 12 months on, we haven't heard a thing The main argument for moving grounds was to make money 365 days a year, I'd love to know how many days of the year STFC are actually open for business. |
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Post by mattmw on Oct 4, 2023 17:56:50 GMT 1
In terms of increasing the revenue the club makes there could be a number of approaches. Perhaps the easiest one is looking at match day and working out how best to fill the approximately 8,000 seats we have available. Broadly speaking the cost of each match day set at a fixed cost to the club, in terms of staff they employ, policing costs etc, so the club should have an idea of the "break even" attendance they need each match. Any they seat on top of that is effectively cost free to them, as they don't have additional costs to make so effectively every seat above the break even figure is a profit of ÂŁ15 or so (assuming kids, OAP's etc pay less than adults) So promotional offers or extra match day activities to boost attendances is probably the most cost effective approach - which is why fan and new customer engagement is so important. The other approach is to run none footballing activities at the ground which can make a profit. I have slightly more sypmathy with the club on this as hospitality, meals, bars, conferences etc do require a fair bit of outlay, and the profits aren't great, and is also quite a competative market. I think I'd be looking at a model where the club rents out space to outside organinastons at a relatively low fee - but then the ooutside body is responsible for the event and its running. The club would make less money per event, but would hopefully get a range of regular bookings and relatively little upfront cost to them. Plus by getting none football fans into and around the staduim it might help awareness of the club and its facilities with a wider range of people I'm going to disagree here. I think matchday is harder, they can do cheap tickets or even give them away but ultimately its results which will drive how many people will go. Last Saturday I couldn't make the game and literally couldn't give my seasoin ticket away to friends, all of which are casual fans, none are interested in going at the moment. I of course take your point that giving them to schools/youth groups is a good idea and hopefully some of those will become fans longer term but it's not going to have a signifcant increase, certainly not short term. And in terms of hospitality, this is where my biggest frustration lies as we can't get the basics right. For example, we have been at the ground 16 years and I couldn't tell you when the restaurant is open? Is it every day? Matchday only? Sundays? Only special events such as Easter? In this day and age I shouldn't have to ring the club to find out when the restaurant is open. And I'll always come back to it but Smithy's is a prime example of the lack of business acumen of those involved at the club. The launch of it was such a damp squib that we were basically saying 'it's business as usual' rather than trying to draw people in , there was the talk of working with fans and trying to make it a venue that people would go to throughout the week. Shock horror 12 months on, we haven't heard a thing The main argument for moving grounds was to make money 365 days a year, I'd love to know how many days of the year STFC are actually open for business. Don't think we're really in disagreement, the match day seat sales are the cheapest option available to the club, but do need a sound plan behind it to boost numbers. And of course the quality or the football and results will always pay a big part in that. With the wider hospitality thing you are quite right. I live a stones through from the ground and since its been built I've only been to the ground once on a none match day and that was for a wake taking place there. I have no idea if I could go down tonight for example and watch the Champions League there and have a few drinks. I suspect not. I think if the club does want to go down the hospitality route it does need to invest in the project long term and get realy good quality people in to do it. Its a very competative field and needs to be done right to make decent money from it. I always kind of get the impression the club sees the hospitality side more as a closed club for people to be invited into, and you should be grateful for being allowed to use the facility, rather than an open door everyone is welcome approach to the wider community |
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 5, 2023 20:11:02 GMT 1
I know for a fact an asking price is agreed, the only negligible part is RW staying on. He's desperate to do so, but it's a red line for the buyer that he's totally gone and not involved at all.
Sub ÂŁ11m fee agreed to take full control of the football club.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 5, 2023 22:48:14 GMT 1
Something different or new every day
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Oct 6, 2023 13:55:44 GMT 1
I know for a fact an asking price is agreed, the only negligible part is RW staying on. He's desperate to do so, but it's a red line for the buyer that he's totally gone and not involved at all. Sub ÂŁ11m fee agreed to take full control of the football club. Any idea who the buyer is? |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 6, 2023 17:15:19 GMT 1
I don't think one single thing will help, I think it's a combination of things. There's various things that could be done but the culture of the club is so backwards at times. I'll give you a couple of examples. The first, recently there was a photo of a Planet Doughnut doughnut at Tottenham's ground on a 'Footy Scran' Twitter page, a few people were commenting saying as they were a local company maybe they could sell at our ground. I pointed that for the previous 3 seasons they had been media sponsor for us and didn't sell them then so it's unlikely now. Planet Doughnut actually replied to my post saying they were always asking but were not allowed to. It's good enough for Spurs in their new ground but not us. The second is earlier this year I was raising money for charity (when I did London Marathon) and held a pub quiz. I had a quizmaster who is a fellow Shrewsbury fan and we thought holding it at Smithy's and to coincide it with a home match, the idea being hold it around 6.30 so you'd get fans going straight there after the game and then more people turning up afterwards. I approached the club, they asked them how many people would be coming and I said it was difficult to say so perhaps 30+ people. They said they'd need a minimum of 60 people to open up, when I said I couldn't guarantee numbers, they said to advertise it and once I got that number then they could take the booking. Not surprisingly I wasn't keen to advertise something without a guaranteed location so I looked elsewhere. Rob at the Bagley was kind enough to host us, we had about 70 people turn up, made lots of money for charity as well as putting plenty of money behind the bar. Of course Smithy's stood empty and continues to do so, apart from every other Saturday during the season. I know that a few doughnuts and a pub quiz arent going to be the answer to our financial problems but I wonder how many other things like this there are that the club are missing out on. are you still dreaming up now buyers ? this idea is full of holes |
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 6, 2023 17:38:04 GMT 1
I know for a fact an asking price is agreed, the only negligible part is RW staying on. He's desperate to do so, but it's a red line for the buyer that he's totally gone and not involved at all. Sub ÂŁ11m fee agreed to take full control of the football club. Any idea who the buyer is? Hasn't been disclosed to me, i'll see if there's anything more. I don't like to push too much. I'd rather be told credible snippets I know are completely true than push for something more that might then end up being more of the person's opinion added to it that it being a plain fact if you understand? I don't there's too many though, I'd guess the local connections are obvious enough. |
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Post by barrynic on Oct 6, 2023 19:20:41 GMT 1
It's probably the old gang led by thr Greenhous boys.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2023 21:19:46 GMT 1
are you still dreaming up now buyers ? this idea is full of holes Have you linked to the wrong post? Mine was talking about some examples of where I felt the club were missing out on opportunities. I have not mentioned any new buyers and not sure what idea you are referring to |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 6, 2023 21:29:47 GMT 1
are you still dreaming up now buyers ? this idea is full of holes Have you linked to the wrong post? Mine was talking about some examples of where I felt the club were missing out on opportunities. I have not mentioned any new buyers and not sure what idea you are referring to DOH ! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2023 21:43:01 GMT 1
If/when he decides to sell (the sooner the better from my point of view) there will be plenty of time for speculation about the new owners. Will they be prepared to bankroll the club towards a higher level? Are they a fly by night owner out for a quick buck? Have they bought the club as status symbol or plaything? No-one knows if what comes next is going to be better or worse than what we have now. We are only customers in the grand scheme of things and we have no real say in what happens either on the pitch or in the boardroom. Unfortunately we aren't like most customers, we can't take our business elsewhere. We can withdraw our custom, but I doubt many of us want to do that, so we keep turning up and the chairman knows that we will always do so.
The trouble is that RW didn't sell up when we were at our best, when he could have made the most from the club and left it as a legend. He has been a welcome addition to the history of Salop, but I'm afraid he is rapidly wearing out that welcome. If he doesn't make the move soon I feel that his tenure will end with more acrimony than goodwill. Some have suggested that he is likely to hang on to his position right up the day he shuffles off this mortal coil, I feel that would be a mistake because if we are on a downward spiral, which it seems we currently are, he will only be remembered for that instead of all the good things he has done for the club over the years which would be a shame.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 6, 2023 21:57:56 GMT 1
If/when he decides to sell (the sooner the better from my point of view) there will be plenty of time for speculation about the new owners. Will they be prepared to bankroll the club towards a higher level? Are they a fly by night owner out for a quick buck? Have they bought the club as status symbol or plaything? No-one knows if what comes next is going to be better or worse than what we have now. We are only customers in the grand scheme of things and we have no real say in what happens either on the pitch or in the boardroom. Unfortunately we aren't like most customers, we can't take our business elsewhere. We can withdraw our custom, but I doubt many of us want to do that, so we keep turning up and the chairman knows that we will always do so.
The trouble is that RW didn't sell up when we were at our best, when he could have made the most from the club and left it as a legend. He has been a welcome addition to the history of Salop, but I'm afraid he is rapidly wearing out that welcome. If he doesn't make the move soon I feel that his tenure will end with more acrimony than goodwill. Some have suggested that he is likely to hang on to his position right up the day he shuffles off this mortal coil, I feel that would be a mistake because if we are on a downward spiral, which it seems we currently are, he will only be remembered for that instead of all the good things he has done for the club over the years which would be a shame.
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Post by barrynic on Oct 7, 2023 8:50:43 GMT 1
The club will be bought by true supporters not wide boys.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 7, 2023 10:57:18 GMT 1
The club will be bought by true supporters not wide boys. that rules out 2nd hand car dealers then  |
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 7, 2023 11:04:58 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 11:09:02 GMT 1
An ÂŁ8m profit on ÂŁ1.1bn sales is a pretty terrible profit margin! |
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 7, 2023 11:12:34 GMT 1
An ÂŁ8m profit on ÂŁ1.1bn sales is a pretty terrible profit margin! Profit is a lose term, it's likely profit after debt, loans, wages, appreciation etc. |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 7, 2023 12:02:14 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 12:11:54 GMT 1
I'm afraid I have changed my vote...sad face  before tonight it was 60 v 34 its now 60 v 33 ? Pre-Northampton currently 65 v 34. |
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 7, 2023 12:42:55 GMT 1
Regardless of what happens today (and I hope to god we win), it feels like the tide is turning and hopefully canât be stopped. We need change from the top
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Post by Pilch on Oct 7, 2023 12:47:09 GMT 1
before tonight it was 60 v 34 its now 60 v 33 ? Pre-Northampton currently 65 v 34. it appears at least 1 person has voted twice too, not sure which way they went but it wouldn't be too hard to find out if I read the posts from the one account that actually has posts on it , I'll keep it up my sleeve for now, maybe they might read this and remove one of those posts |
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 7, 2023 23:47:22 GMT 1
Todays win changes nothing.
Everything about the match day experience stinks right now, the apathy in the fan base is at a new high, it stems from the top, weâre at the lowest ebb as a club in a long time
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Post by Pilch on Oct 7, 2023 23:53:15 GMT 1
night fishing on this forum now |
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 7, 2023 23:58:08 GMT 1
night fishing on this forum now Total nonsense as always. Iâve explained on another thread, the stadium is a state and rusting away, the tannoy system was broke, the (true) attendance was appalling, the atmosphere even worse, the football was dire, they canât even be arsed to put the catering van by the south stand anymore If I wasnât conned in to paying my ÂŁ360 back in March, I wouldnât go near this shower whilst Roland is in charge |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 8, 2023 0:05:20 GMT 1
remember last week when you kept pedantically telling people we have a head coach and not a manager ?
well we have a PA system and not a Tannoy ;-)
this message was sponsorsed by the west Bromwich building society
night night
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 8, 2023 0:09:51 GMT 1
remember last week when you kept pedantically telling people we have a head coach and not a manager ? well we have a PA system and not a Tannoy ;-) this message was sponsorsed by the west Bromwich building society night night âKeptâ = once, so I best call yet another lie out his job title is also a fact, check it out if youâre confused |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 8, 2023 0:29:50 GMT 1
remember last week when you kept pedantically telling people we have a head coach and not a manager ? well we have a PA system and not a Tannoy ;-) this message was sponsorsed by the west Bromwich building society night night âKeptâ = once, so I best call yet another lie out his job title is also a fact, check it out if youâre confused one thing I dont do is tell lies, ive taken your advice as checked it as I thought I might be confused now maybe, if you could drop your obession we might get along handsomely , night night We donât want another re-run of a Mr Askey situation, where the manager is driven out before he gets started. We need to back Mr T to the hilt even though some may feel he isnât up to the job Taylor is Head Coach not Manager Regardless of the performance the most glaring thing is that the players donât play for the manager, thatâs nearly impossible to turn around and usually only ends one way. We havenât shown a performance that complimented the manager since Leeds, and it sadly reminds me of the last few weeks under ricketts already. Iâd love to be wrong but I feel itâs inevitable now. We donât have a Manager we have a First team coach. People might call me pedantic for repeating this but itâs important we address it right following Rolandâs big change of plan⌠|
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 8, 2023 8:38:16 GMT 1
âKeptâ = once, so I best call yet another lie out his job title is also a fact, check it out if youâre confused one thing I dont do is tell lies,  ive taken your advice as checked it as  I thought I might be confused now maybe, if you could drop your obession we might get along handsomely ,  night night Taylor is Head Coach not Manager We donât have a Manager we have a First team coach. People might call me pedantic for repeating this but itâs important we address it right following Rolandâs big change of plan⌠Obsession? I post my opinion about the state of the club and you jump on it every time, only one person obsessed here⌠you might disagree with me, thatâs fine, but no need to try and shut down the debate constantly |
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Post by Valerioch on Aug 18, 2024 7:50:31 GMT 1
Seeing a lot of posts about Chairman Roland right now so thought it worth bumping this poll
Any new opinions, or changes of opinions? Anybody not banned still able to vote? đ
Shouldâve sold up 5 years ago atleast, and is now severely damaging his legacy. Club is dying on its arse.
Just go
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Post by Pilch on Aug 18, 2024 10:55:45 GMT 1
Seeing a lot of posts about Chairman Roland right now so thought it worth bumping this poll Any new opinions, or changes of opinions? Anybody not banned still able to vote? đ Shouldâve sold up 5 years ago atleast, and is now severely damaging his legacy. Club is dying on its arse. Just go fear not, I have some great news especially for you, might be old news to everyone else on the planet but guess what ? yes the club is for sale the only thing we are now waiting for is for someone to roll up and get their wallet out instead of walking around kicking tyres |
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