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Post by lancsman on Aug 20, 2024 15:26:16 GMT 1
Explain what is made up Piltch.
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Post by DiglisShrew on Aug 20, 2024 15:27:39 GMT 1
Absolutely everything has a price that means it will sell, so if it's not selling it means the price is wrong.... our club is a poor investment to anyone we have sat for 10 years pretty much punching above our weight if our club is worth £10M and the chairman wants £10M for it then any new owner would gain nothing if they decided to asset strip the club maybe he could lower the price and sell to some random dodgy geeza who immediately cashes in like many have done for all those who think a new chairman is going to take our club to a new level then surely its one who rocks up with the cash in a suitcase, hands it over in turn for the keys to the door and then he nips to the bank to fill the suitcase up again so as to take us forward not one that wastes 4 years trying to barter for the sake of a few quid, and not exactly hit the ground running at Burton have they, they cant have done, the Burton thread is dead , it would have been on fire had they won both games and not got dicked in the cup So why don’t we move in a different direction if a sale isn’t happening or unlikely ?? Why not advertise / invite new investment ?? Why no new share issue ?? I’m no expert but one explanation must be the fact that the Chairman doesn’t want his shareholding diluting and his control / powers reduced ? |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 20, 2024 15:32:47 GMT 1
our club is a poor investment to anyone we have sat for 10 years pretty much punching above our weight if our club is worth £10M and the chairman wants £10M for it then any new owner would gain nothing if they decided to asset strip the club maybe he could lower the price and sell to some random dodgy geeza who immediately cashes in like many have done for all those who think a new chairman is going to take our club to a new level then surely its one who rocks up with the cash in a suitcase, hands it over in turn for the keys to the door and then he nips to the bank to fill the suitcase up again so as to take us forward not one that wastes 4 years trying to barter for the sake of a few quid, and not exactly hit the ground running at Burton have they, they cant have done, the Burton thread is dead , it would have been on fire had they won both games and not got dicked in the cup So why don’t we move in a different direction if a sale isn’t happening or unlikely ?? Why not advertise / invite new investment ?? Why no new share issue ?? I’m no expert but one explanation must be the fact that the Chairman doesn’t want his shareholding diluting and his control / powers reduced ? I cant really answer any of that as I dont have a clue, but wouldn't a share issue put off potential buyers ? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2024 15:34:09 GMT 1
So much wrong in your post that it goes beyond taking the time out to reply to you as your obviously just trolling. I'll tell you what I will do,if its allowed.You like a flutter,I dont bet at all but I will have £5 with you that Burton finish higher up L1 than us what odds are you offering me ? Not offering you any odds,who do you think I am? Ladbrooks?😁 Just a straightforward I will pay you a fiver if we finish higher than Burton and vice versa if Burton finish higher than us |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 20, 2024 15:37:19 GMT 1
what odds are you offering me ? Not offering you any odds,who do you think I am? Ladbrooks?😁 Just a straightforward I will pay you a fiver if we finish higher than Burton and vice versa if Burton finish higher than us you walked into that one ;-), so you are that confident on Burton finishing higher than town you are offering half the odds of the bookies and expecting double in return :-) if you are that confident give me 19/1 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2024 15:41:47 GMT 1
I think it's worthwhile looking back at what Ben Robinson said at the time of the merger www.burtonalbionfc.co.uk/news/2024/june/0306-chairman/You sense that there was a clear alignment between his wishes for the club going forward and that of the new owners. Pure conjecture but perhaps that was something missing when it came to our Chairman's discussions? So Nordic Football Club UK Ltd are still prepared to allow Robinson and his family to remain an integral part of the Club. What's not to like RW? "While I am selling the Club, I am delighted to share with you that I, along with Fleur, who is returning home from Wrexham to be the Club’s CEO, and Ben Jr., will continue to be an integral part of Burton Albion. I am very thankful that NFG has provided me and my family with the opportunity for us to work together for the foreseeable future". Clearly Burton were a better fit for both parties. As to what's not to like, well certainly the family connection will continue to be part of the club going forward. For us, that ship has well and truly sailed... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2024 15:45:29 GMT 1
Not offering you any odds,who do you think I am? Ladbrooks?😁 Just a straightforward I will pay you a fiver if we finish higher than Burton and vice versa if Burton finish higher than us you walked into that one ;-), so you are that confident on Burton finishing higher than town you are offering half the odds of the bookies and expecting double in return :-) if you are that confident give me 19/1 Absolutely no idea what you're talking about, as I said earlier I don't gamble. Anyway forget it, was just a bit of fun,but you want to turn into a full on bet |
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Post by servernaside on Aug 20, 2024 16:17:21 GMT 1
It's hard to see what return a club the size of Burton Albion can produce for any investors.
That return of course will be dependent upon the purchase price which I don't believe has been revealed, but the bottom line is that Burton have average attendances of 3,500.....substantially lower than ours and a ground capacity of a mere 6,900. Additionally, a much bigger club is just down the road (10 miles) in the shape of Derby County with the town of Burton well within its historic catchment area.
The only way that owners of football clubs can make any return on their investment is by achieving, or securing Premier League status with the consequent TV revenues, large attendances and marketing opportunities for replica kits and other items. Other than that, the 'return' would be either breakeven, or sustaining marginal losses at best.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2024 16:24:39 GMT 1
It's hard to see what return a club the size of Burton Albion can produce for any investors. It's a fair question and it genuinley baffles me why anyone would want to own a football club, other than a local businessman who is also a supporter. But for some reason plenty of people/groups want to take over clubs in this country and the likes of Roland are a dying breed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_owners_of_English_football_clubs |
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Aug 20, 2024 18:56:18 GMT 1
Absolutely everything has a price that means it will sell, so if it's not selling it means the price is wrong.... our club is a poor investment to anyone we have sat for 10 years pretty much punching above our weight if our club is worth £10M and the chairman wants £10M for it then any new owner would gain nothing if they decided to asset strip the club maybe he could lower the price and sell to some random dodgy geeza who immediately cashes in like many have done for all those who think a new chairman is going to take our club to a new level then surely its one who rocks up with the cash in a suitcase, hands it over in turn for the keys to the door and then he nips to the bank to fill the suitcase up again so as to take us forward not one that wastes 4 years trying to barter for the sake of a few quid, and not exactly hit the ground running at Burton have they, they cant have done, the Burton thread is dead , it would have been on fire had they won both games and not got dicked in the cup This seems like a lot of rambling..dont think the Nordic group can be described as some random geezer. They seem a genuine consortium who have put community at the forefront of their successful bid...God help me but a little like Wrexham in that respect. I will judge Burton over the next few seasons and imagine they will be in a better place than salop sadly.. It's the totally lost opportunity that annoys me and a lot of other supporters. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 20, 2024 20:13:13 GMT 1
It's hard to see what return a club the size of Burton Albion can produce for any investors. It's a fair question and it genuinley baffles me why anyone would want to own a football club, other than a local businessman who is also a supporter. But for some reason plenty of people/groups want to take over clubs in this country and the likes of Roland are a dying breed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_owners_of_English_football_clubsWith due respect to poor Mike Lynch, and his co-defendant, both acquitted in the US fraud trial but who died following a road accident that left him critically injured on Saturday, shortly before the tycoon went missing in the sinking of a superyacht. If you have pots of money, owning a football club is probably safer than a superyacht or road running. |
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Post by markglasgow on Aug 20, 2024 20:30:25 GMT 1
Go where exactly?
If I had a penny for every time an RW out thread popped up over the years.
I think we just need to accept he will go on his own terms. Rightly or wrongly. I'm just sad that it's likely he'll go when we are on our arse. However I've had that thought in the past more than once....
Lots of talk and excitement about foreign investment. I have little interest in this whatsoever. Would happily have us owned by a local supporter of the club who runs us in a sustainable way (sounds familiar huh?). Debt is not a lower league football clubs friend.
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Post by pazza on Aug 20, 2024 23:27:38 GMT 1
But why should the fans just accept Roland will gone it’s right for him, and as you rightly say we are “on our arse”.
We could be in the National League by then, all because one man is obstinate and autocratic.
Just look at the number of good people who’ve left the club, in no small part because they can’t work with him. Paul Delves is a prime example. The Scandinavians couldn’t work with him, leaving aside the farce of changing the goalposts on price.
We can’t go on like this. He’s destroying OUR club, a club we love.
He’s like that abusive partner in a relationship who says “but no-one loves you as much as I do”
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Post by rickyspanish on Aug 21, 2024 6:43:00 GMT 1
But why should the fans just accept Roland will gone it’s right for him, and as you rightly say we are “on our arse”. We could be in the National League by then, all because one man is obstinate and autocratic. Just look at the number of good people who’ve left the club, in no small part because they can’t work with him. Paul Delves is a prime example. The Scandinavians couldn’t work with him, leaving aside the farce of changing the goalposts on price. We can’t go on like this. He’s destroying OUR club, a club we love. He’s like that abusive partner in a relationship who says “but no-one loves you as much as I do” He’s like that abusive partner in a relationship who says “but no-one loves you as much as I do” ****ing hell 😳 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2024 7:15:48 GMT 1
I think we just need to accept he will go on his own terms. Rightly or wrongly. I think most people know that and to me that is the problem. Some people think he's earnt the right to move on whenever he wants, personally I'm in the camp that until he goes we are stuck in limbo which is why I don't just shrug my shoulders and say "well, we just need to accept it". If you don't agree that's fine, but don't tell people they need to simply need to accept it. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 21, 2024 7:21:02 GMT 1
But why should the fans just accept Roland will gone it’s right for him, and as you rightly say we are “on our arse”. We could be in the National League by then, all because one man is obstinate and autocratic. Just look at the number of good people who’ve left the club, in no small part because they can’t work with him. Paul Delves is a prime example. The Scandinavians couldn’t work with him, leaving aside the farce of changing the goalposts on price. We can’t go on like this. He’s destroying OUR club, a club we love. He’s like that abusive partner in a relationship who says “but no-one loves you as much as I do” Here's what fans need to accept A the club is for sale B a buyer needs to come along and buy It's not hard to grasp |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2024 7:23:56 GMT 1
Here's what fans need to accept A the club is for sale B a buyer needs to come along and buy It's not hard to grasp It's also not hard to grasp that there's a seller involved too. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2024 7:28:47 GMT 1
Here's what fans need to accept A the club is for sale B a buyer needs to come along and buy It's not hard to grasp It's also not hard to grasp that there's a seller involved too. Shrewsbury Town FC - the only club in the world that’s unsellable. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 21, 2024 7:41:14 GMT 1
It's also not hard to grasp that there's a seller involved too. Shrewsbury Town FC - the only club in the world that’s unsellable. Go take a look at Southend and their billionaire chairman Probably loads of examples if you bother opening your eyes |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 21, 2024 7:43:32 GMT 1
Here's what fans need to accept A the club is for sale B a buyer needs to come along and buy It's not hard to grasp It's also not hard to grasp that there's a seller involved too. Check part A 👍 |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 21, 2024 10:12:57 GMT 1
Here's what fans need to accept A the club is for sale B a buyer needs to come along and buy It's not hard to grasp It's also not hard to grasp that there's a seller involved too. As its all very well to say that the club is for sale but for what and what, if any, additional conditions might be attached to any sale. Who knows. The current chairman took over in 1996. Just think about how many clubs within that time have found new owners and investment. And yet for some reason it seems beyond us. You have to wonder and question why. I mean these other irons in the fire that one or two have mentioned whilst the owners of Burton were also speaking to Town, what has become of them? Did they also pack up and leave us to it? Again, who knows. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 21, 2024 10:20:39 GMT 1
It's also not hard to grasp that there's a seller involved too. As its all very well to say that the club is for sale but for what and what, if any, additional conditions might be attached to any sale. Who knows. The current chairman took over in 1996. Just think about how many clubs within that time have found new owners and investment. And yet for some reason it seems beyond us. You have to wonder and question why. I mean these other irons in the fire that one or two have mentioned whilst the owners of Burton were also speaking to Town, what has become of them? Did they also pack up and leave us to it? Again, who knows. like what ? no asset stripping etc ? i hope something like that is included ,. the efl certainly have starting adding clauses to protect clubs from rogues maybe you could give us some examples of what the hell you mean |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 21, 2024 10:41:49 GMT 1
As its all very well to say that the club is for sale but for what and what, if any, additional conditions might be attached to any sale. Who knows. The current chairman took over in 1996. Just think about how many clubs within that time have found new owners and investment. And yet for some reason it seems beyond us. You have to wonder and question why. I mean these other irons in the fire that one or two have mentioned whilst the owners of Burton were also speaking to Town, what has become of them? Did they also pack up and leave us to it? Again, who knows. like what ? Who knows. Hence the "who knows".  But anyhow, you have to wonder and question why we have not yet found a buyer. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 21, 2024 10:56:20 GMT 1
Who knows. Hence the "who knows". But anyhow, you have to wonder and question why we have not yet found a buyer. but you asked that exact question to someone the other day and got answer and yet here you are asking again and creating unknown conspiracies and rambling on about swedes who messed us about 4 times move on, youve had all the answers so far |
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Post by servernaside on Aug 21, 2024 11:06:01 GMT 1
Southend, Darlington, Bury and York all had buyers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2024 12:11:36 GMT 1
Southend, Darlington, Bury and York all had buyers. and Rochdale, oh and Oldham as well... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2024 12:12:37 GMT 1
Who knows. Hence the "who knows". But anyhow, you have to wonder and question why we have not yet found a buyer. A buyer who is also, " desperate" to sell, but then at what cost? |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 21, 2024 12:16:09 GMT 1
Southend, Darlington, Bury and York all had buyers. and Rochdale, oh and Oldham as well... and telford , chester , wrexham , reading, man united, West Brom, Sunderland, Leeds, derby, Newcastle, google it, the list is endless |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2024 12:19:02 GMT 1
So we’ve learnt there could be bad buyers and good buyers, so to avoid that risk we’re content to watch our club be run into the ground 👍
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Post by Pilch on Aug 21, 2024 12:56:21 GMT 1
So we’ve learnt there could be bad buyers and good buyers, so to avoid that risk we’re content to watch our club be run into the ground 👍 please, why dont you speak for yourself for once instead of making s**te up on behalf of others ? or can you publish a list of such fans that are content for that to happen ? |
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But anyhow, you have to wonder and question why we have not yet found a buyer.