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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 13, 2023 17:01:17 GMT 1
Your comments rarely deserve an answer. I'm making an exception in this case. You don't even answer direct questions never mind responding to comments. I'm still awaiting an answer to this for example:- Jun 21, 2023 at 9:20am servernaside said: "I think the thread heading would be a more appropriate title for this board. Mercifully, such nonsense has been removed from the main board and I don't have to view this nonsense on a routine basis. I did however make a rare visit this morning to see what nonsense was afoot and true enough the Guardianistas are out in force, spouting their nonsense on a variety of subjects. Long may these comments remain away from the main board. My Reply "Examples please or are you just going to run away like Boris". An example of the sort of nonsense people post¬ "This (the 20 mph speed limit?) is all Tony Blair's fault".
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Post by northwestman on Dec 4, 2023 17:40:40 GMT 1
The Office for Statistics Regulation (OSR), the statistics watchdog, has criticised the Welsh government’s claim that the 20mph speed limit would only add one minute to journey times, arguing that most ordinary people would struggle to understand the data on which it was based.
Ed Humpherson, the OSR’s director general for regulation, said the claim would have been “challenging for a reader to unpick,” adding, “improvements could have been made to aid transparency and better support users”.
The one minute calculation was arrived at by dividing 1 billion additional minutes spent on Welsh roads due to the lower speed limit by just over 1 billion car journeys made in the country every year.
Daily Telegraph.
Talk about smoke and mirrors!
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Post by Worthingshrew on Dec 4, 2023 17:45:07 GMT 1
The Office for Statistics Regulation (OSR), the statistics watchdog, has criticised the Welsh government’s claim that the 20mph speed limit would only add one minute to journey times, arguing that most ordinary people would struggle to understand the data on which it was based. Ed Humpherson, the OSR’s director general for regulation, said the claim would have been “challenging for a reader to unpick,” adding, “improvements could have been made to aid transparency and better support users”. The one minute calculation was arrived at by dividing 1 billion additional minutes spent on Welsh roads due to the lower speed limit by just over 1 billion car journeys made in the country every year. Daily Telegraph. Talk about smoke and mirrors! Presumably if you reduced the speed limit to 0mph, you’d only add 3 mins to each journey, on that basis!
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Dec 4, 2023 18:12:52 GMT 1
The Office for Statistics Regulation (OSR), the statistics watchdog, has criticised the Welsh government’s claim that the 20mph speed limit would only add one minute to journey times, arguing that most ordinary people would struggle to understand the data on which it was based. Ed Humpherson, the OSR’s director general for regulation, said the claim would have been “challenging for a reader to unpick,” adding, “improvements could have been made to aid transparency and better support users”. The one minute calculation was arrived at by dividing 1 billion additional minutes spent on Welsh roads due to the lower speed limit by just over 1 billion car journeys made in the country every year. Daily Telegraph. Talk about smoke and mirrors! Very much politician talk that. Pick up on just one point and push it far and wide whilst many other possibly more relevant points get ignored.
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Post by northwestman on Dec 9, 2023 15:58:05 GMT 1
Why will the 20 m.p.h. speed limits in Wales likely to be affecting the Xmas charts?
Chris Rea will now be 'Driving Home for Easter'.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Dec 11, 2023 19:19:22 GMT 1
My brother in law delivers bread all over North Wales and it has added 40 minutes to his journey. I went through welshpool and it is like you are virtually standing still, also I found myself checking the Speedo more often to ensure I was under 20 mph, to avoid getting fined. I got tailgated all through welshpool.
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Post by eclipsechaser on Dec 13, 2023 20:38:34 GMT 1
In view of Wrexham fans coming to The Meadow for the FA Cup match, I'd recommend you start your journey now. You'll just about make it in time
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Post by northwestman on Jan 8, 2024 20:51:31 GMT 1
Motorists in Wales are allowed to drive at 25mph in 20mph zones before being prosecuted, it has emerged, in contrast to rules across the rest of Britain.
From Monday, drivers can be fined, receive points or even lose their licence for exceeding the new widespread 20mph speed limits on Welsh roads in residential areas.
But GoSafe Wales, the road safety partnership which brings together local authorities and the police, said the enforcement threshold would start at 10 per cent of the speed limit, plus 4mph – meaning prosecution begins at 26mph in a 20mph limit.
In contrast, other road users in Britain are subjected to an enforcement threshold of 10 per cent plus 2mph, meaning they are prosecuted over 23mph.
Enforcement will begin on Monday with a combination of mobile vehicles and fixed cameras, GoSafe Wales confirmed.
Daily Telegraph.
So the new speed limit in Wales is actually 25 m.p.h!
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Post by Pilch on Jan 8, 2024 21:29:02 GMT 1
watched this live earlier today, Wrexham celebrating their cup final win yesterday, 20mph perfectly observed
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Jan 10, 2024 6:53:33 GMT 1
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jan 10, 2024 11:32:53 GMT 1
And still they pedal the line its for safety not as a cash cow 😂😂
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Post by venceremos on Jan 10, 2024 21:44:03 GMT 1
Motorists in Wales are allowed to drive at 25mph in 20mph zones before being prosecuted, it has emerged, in contrast to rules across the rest of Britain. From Monday, drivers can be fined, receive points or even lose their licence for exceeding the new widespread 20mph speed limits on Welsh roads in residential areas. But GoSafe Wales, the road safety partnership which brings together local authorities and the police, said the enforcement threshold would start at 10 per cent of the speed limit, plus 4mph – meaning prosecution begins at 26mph in a 20mph limit. In contrast, other road users in Britain are subjected to an enforcement threshold of 10 per cent plus 2mph, meaning they are prosecuted over 23mph. Enforcement will begin on Monday with a combination of mobile vehicles and fixed cameras, GoSafe Wales confirmed. Daily Telegraph. So the new speed limit in Wales is actually 25 m.p.h! I wouldn't want to risk arguing over the accuracy of my speedo! Anyway, I have no problem with the 20mph limit in principle. I learned something I didn't know the other day. When you pass those electronic speed limit signs that show your speed and smile or frown at you, your vehicle and speed is logged and persistent offenders receive a letter. Perhaps that's common knowledge but I wasn't aware - and no, I haven't had a letter. Apparently in Scotland they have electronic speed limit signs that turn a traffic light to red further down the road if you're above the speed limit, so slow and steady really does win the race.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jan 10, 2024 22:13:54 GMT 1
Motorists in Wales are allowed to drive at 25mph in 20mph zones before being prosecuted, it has emerged, in contrast to rules across the rest of Britain. From Monday, drivers can be fined, receive points or even lose their licence for exceeding the new widespread 20mph speed limits on Welsh roads in residential areas. But GoSafe Wales, the road safety partnership which brings together local authorities and the police, said the enforcement threshold would start at 10 per cent of the speed limit, plus 4mph – meaning prosecution begins at 26mph in a 20mph limit. In contrast, other road users in Britain are subjected to an enforcement threshold of 10 per cent plus 2mph, meaning they are prosecuted over 23mph. Enforcement will begin on Monday with a combination of mobile vehicles and fixed cameras, GoSafe Wales confirmed. Daily Telegraph. So the new speed limit in Wales is actually 25 m.p.h! I wouldn't want to risk arguing over the accuracy of my speedo! Anyway, I have no problem with the 20mph limit in principle. I learned something I didn't know the other day. When you pass those electronic speed limit signs that show your speed and smile or frown at you, your vehicle and speed is logged and persistent offenders receive a letter. Perhaps that's common knowledge but I wasn't aware - and no, I haven't had a letter. Apparently in Scotland they have electronic speed limit signs that turn a traffic light to red further down the road if you're above the speed limit, so slow and steady really does win the race. No I didnt know nor have I received a letter as a persistent offender 😇
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Post by mattmw on Jan 10, 2024 22:35:24 GMT 1
Motorists in Wales are allowed to drive at 25mph in 20mph zones before being prosecuted, it has emerged, in contrast to rules across the rest of Britain. From Monday, drivers can be fined, receive points or even lose their licence for exceeding the new widespread 20mph speed limits on Welsh roads in residential areas. But GoSafe Wales, the road safety partnership which brings together local authorities and the police, said the enforcement threshold would start at 10 per cent of the speed limit, plus 4mph – meaning prosecution begins at 26mph in a 20mph limit. In contrast, other road users in Britain are subjected to an enforcement threshold of 10 per cent plus 2mph, meaning they are prosecuted over 23mph. Enforcement will begin on Monday with a combination of mobile vehicles and fixed cameras, GoSafe Wales confirmed. Daily Telegraph. So the new speed limit in Wales is actually 25 m.p.h! I wouldn't want to risk arguing over the accuracy of my speedo! Anyway, I have no problem with the 20mph limit in principle. I learned something I didn't know the other day. When you pass those electronic speed limit signs that show your speed and smile or frown at you, your vehicle and speed is logged and persistent offenders receive a letter. Perhaps that's common knowledge but I wasn't aware - and no, I haven't had a letter. Apparently in Scotland they have electronic speed limit signs that turn a traffic light to red further down the road if you're above the speed limit, so slow and steady really does win the race. There are various different types of Vehicle Activated Signs (VAS) used by Councils, but most are just radar activated and don't record the vehicle details or take images so are really just there as warning signs to drivers to raise awareness of their speed. But there are also newer cameras linked to ANPR systems which do combine the warnings but also record the speed and vehicle details, and can identify persistent offenders who are then written to with warnings. But these are much more expensive and tend to only be used on a few roads, and even then the warning letters are just that and dont lead to a fine. In some cases ANPR cameras are used for other purposes like Low Emmission zones or school streets but less so for speeding. This is in England anyway, not sure if Welsh councils have different systems with the new 20 mph zones. Long term I understand that speed enforcement could be done through GPS trackng in vehicles, or even if we get driverless cars become a thing that vehicles will automatically slow down when they meet a speed limit.
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