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Post by martinshrew on Sept 20, 2023 17:34:01 GMT 1
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Sept 20, 2023 17:39:11 GMT 1
]If the information released with regards to surviving being hit by a car are correct,then I cannot for the life of me believe that anyone can object to a 20mph speed limit being imposed nationwide outside a school
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Post by mattmw on Sept 20, 2023 17:42:50 GMT 1
100,000 added in just 22 hours. Just about to go over 300,000 very soon. The more better. Constituents now need to complain to their local councillors, who must surely be coming up for election soon, and demand that numerous 30 m.p.h. restrictions are restored. I didn't see one remaining 30 m.p.h. sign whilst driving through Wales on Tuesday. The next Senedd elections aren't until 2026, which leaves Drakeford and Waters with their feet under the table. The Local Council elections in Wales were in 2022 so next ones aren't due until 2026 and will presumably be combined with the Senedd elections, so still some time away yet. Appriciate the petition is gaining lots of signitures but the Senedd debated a similar proposal last week and it was voted down with a 20 vote majority. With the limit being party of the Welsh Labour Party manifesto when it won the last election its hard to see Labour members of the Senedd changing policy imidiately. Although as the wider UK politics has shown today having something in the manefesto is no guarentee it actually gets delivered. As Jamo said it imagine in a lot of areas the policy won't impact on many people as is the case in Scotland, and Councils will gradually return safer areas to 30mph. So whether its still an election issue by 2026 is uncertain.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 20, 2023 18:00:43 GMT 1
]If the information released with regards to surviving being hit by a car are correct,then I cannot for the life of me believe that anyone can object to a 20mph speed limit being imposed nationwide outside a school No one is! nor hospitals.
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Post by chirkshrew on Sept 20, 2023 18:31:13 GMT 1
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Post by wookeywombat on Sept 20, 2023 18:56:27 GMT 1
And someone earlier on labelled Drakeford a dinosaur. It seriously makes you wonder who actually are the dinosaurs.
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Post by jamo on Sept 20, 2023 19:08:15 GMT 1
And someone earlier on labelled Drakeford a dinosaur. It seriously makes you wonder who actually are the dinosaurs. The exact same people who no doubt got absolutely indignant with rage when some bloody do gooders told them they had to wear a seatbelt whilst in a moving car. What the hell did that ever achieve other than invoking another instance of the nanny state
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Sept 21, 2023 16:53:10 GMT 1
The more local democracy the better in my opinion. The surveys of areas where LTNs have been introduced show local residents very much in favour, so a local vote on 20mph zones may not produce the results the Mr Toads expect. I disagree vehemently. Particularly in North Wales, where the pilot scheme in Buckley was such a resounding failure that even my nemesis Lee Waters had to admit defeat. A 2021 survey by Kantor of behalf of the Department of Transport found that 61% of respondents were in favour of LTNs with 29% against.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 23, 2023 14:43:15 GMT 1
Just gone over 400,000. Biggest of these petitions by a long way now.
Obviously a huge amount of discontent hopefully will quite rightly get a lot of pressure on those in charge, showing just how out of touch they are.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 24, 2023 17:31:02 GMT 1
That nice Lee Waters AM is facing a vote of no confidence in the Senedd on Wednesday, though no doubt his Labour and Plaid Cymru mates will back him up whatever is said.
However, Labour's General Election candidates for Wales are now getting a little concerned over this issue, as they fear it might well mean a loss of votes for them unless something is done.
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Post by chirkshrew on Sept 24, 2023 18:37:47 GMT 1
But it's a dripford controlled labour government at the senedd..... so no way will the 20mph be overturned
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Post by R6ix on Sept 24, 2023 18:44:39 GMT 1
Iv been in wales all week, never got out of 3rd gear
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Post by northwestman on Sept 24, 2023 19:04:15 GMT 1
But it's a dripford controlled labour government at the senedd..... so no way will the 20mph be overturned Indeed it is. But the National Labour Party might be inclined to put some pressure on him if they think this will affect the chances of their candidates in Wales in the General Election. The cost of setting this rubbish up was £33 million. That's only £1 million more than Gillian Keegan's refurbishment of her offices at our expense.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 24, 2023 20:13:01 GMT 1
That nice Lee Waters AM is facing a vote of no confidence in the Senedd on Wednesday, though no doubt his Labour and Plaid Cymru mates will back him up whatever is said. However, Labour's General Election candidates for Wales are now getting a little concerned over this issue, as they fear it might well mean a loss of votes for them unless something is done. Well hopefully. Those in charge of something that is so out of touch deserve to get booted out.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 24, 2023 20:22:54 GMT 1
I'm all in favour of 20mph in school zones when its chucking out time, but when its just a cash cow even on Saturdays and Sundays its enough to make me turn my nose up to the country full stop, my only ever speeding fine was in Wales, and it was a road that I sat a looked at on my way back home and decided it was a 60 not a 40, and then found it it had recently been changed from a 60 to a 40, there wasn't even a house within sight of the road, money money money , thats all this is, im off next couple of weeks, this week im busy but the following weeks I would normally head for Wales, always have done, this time I will be looking at anywhere but Wales , next year I might have forgotten about all this but this year I haven't , I might nip and get caught speeding in Scotland instead ;-)
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 24, 2023 20:24:57 GMT 1
I'm all in favour of 20mph in school zones when its chucking out time, but when its just a cash cow even on Saturdays and Sundays its enough to make me turn my nose up to the country full stop, my only ever speeding fine was in Wales, and it was a road that I sat a looked at on my way back home and decided it was a 60 not a 40, and then found it it had recently been changed from a 60 to a 40, there wasn't even a house within sight of the road, money money money , thats all this is, im off next couple of weeks, this week im busy but the following weeks I would normally head for Wales, always have done, this time I will be looking at anywhere but Wales , next year I might have forgotten about all this but this year I haven't , I might nip and get caught speeding in Scotland instead ;-) Wait till they introduce the tourist tax as well. Numbers visiting will drop quite a bit once that comes in.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Sept 24, 2023 20:44:02 GMT 1
Iv been in wales all week, never got out of 3rd I used to have a car like that!!
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Post by Pilch on Sept 24, 2023 20:49:10 GMT 1
Iv been in wales all week, never got out of 3rd gear time for the Wales Ulez tax for polluting the air for never getting out of 3rd gear
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Post by welshshrew on Sept 24, 2023 21:46:57 GMT 1
I'm all in favour of 20mph in school zones when its chucking out time, but when its just a cash cow even on Saturdays and Sundays its enough to make me turn my nose up to the country full stop, my only ever speeding fine was in Wales, and it was a road that I sat a looked at on my way back home and decided it was a 60 not a 40, and then found it it had recently been changed from a 60 to a 40, there wasn't even a house within sight of the road, money money money , thats all this is, im off next couple of weeks, this week im busy but the following weeks I would normally head for Wales, always have done, this time I will be looking at anywhere but Wales , next year I might have forgotten about all this but this year I haven't , I might nip and get caught speeding in Scotland instead ;-) Wait till they introduce the tourist tax as well. Numbers visiting will drop quite a bit once that comes in. Correct. I was in Rome and Siena last month and had to pay a tourist tax. Barely anyone there.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Sept 25, 2023 7:35:07 GMT 1
I can see it now. Carjackers and bank robbers trumdling along at 20mph terrified of getting fined, hotly persuded by th owd Heddlu also travelling at 20mph. I'm making my way up to Manchester this morning, travelling in and out of Wales on regular occasions. Pray for Bernard my taxi driver.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 25, 2023 10:02:15 GMT 1
Iv been in wales all week, never got out of 3rd I used to have a car like that!! I used to have a mother like that. Well, not quite like that. Having driven Morris 1000s, etc, she never got used to cars with 5 gears....
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 25, 2023 10:09:57 GMT 1
I can see it now. Carjackers and bank robbers trumdling along at 20mph terrified of getting fined, hotly persuded by th owd Heddlu also travelling at 20mph. I'm making my way up to Manchester this morning, travelling in and out of Wales on regular occasions. Pray for Bernard my taxi driver. Hope your visit goes well.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 25, 2023 14:14:57 GMT 1
I'm travelling to Sealand Road, Chester on Thursday to hopefully buy a new laptop from Curry's.
So my route in will require me to travel over the Westminster Bridge, turn left at the Roodee, and left again into Sealand Road. Sealand Road is in England up to Chester City's ground.
I shall NOT be travelling up Sealand Road from the Welsh side through Sealand, which although a main route into Chester will no doubt be burdened with this new 20 m.p.h. limit.
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 25, 2023 14:54:18 GMT 1
I'm travelling to Sealand Road, Chester on Thursday to hopefully buy a new laptop from Curry's. So my route in will require me to travel over the Westminster Bridge, turn left at the Roodee, and left again into Sealand Road. Sealand Road is in England up to Chester City's ground. I shall NOT be travelling up Sealand Road from the Welsh side through Sealand, which although a main route into Chester will no doubt be burdened with this new 20 m.p.h. limit. Think you’re overthinking things, just go your usual way you can’t go through life trying to avoid the 20 mph….. I’ve been in Wales most of last week and everyone’s just getting on with life, no one’s talking much about it just getting on with it. Oh except the 400k English worrying and signing petitions. Have you started wearing your seat belt yet?
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Post by jamo on Sept 25, 2023 17:43:48 GMT 1
I'm travelling to Sealand Road, Chester on Thursday to hopefully buy a new laptop from Curry's. So my route in will require me to travel over the Westminster Bridge, turn left at the Roodee, and left again into Sealand Road. Sealand Road is in England up to Chester City's ground. I shall NOT be travelling up Sealand Road from the Welsh side through Sealand, which although a main route into Chester will no doubt be burdened with this new 20 m.p.h. limit. Crikey. I would consider internet shopping were I you. Should reduce your anxiety levels considerably.
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Post by Valerioch on Sept 25, 2023 18:03:19 GMT 1
I'm travelling to Sealand Road, Chester on Thursday to hopefully buy a new laptop from Curry's. So my route in will require me to travel over the Westminster Bridge, turn left at the Roodee, and left again into Sealand Road. Sealand Road is in England up to Chester City's ground. I shall NOT be travelling up Sealand Road from the Welsh side through Sealand, which although a main route into Chester will no doubt be burdened with this new 20 m.p.h. limit. Crikey. I would consider internet shopping were I you. Should reduce your anxiety levels considerably. Unlikely, he can’t pay by cash then 😉
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Post by doctorproctor on Sept 25, 2023 18:49:02 GMT 1
Plenty of people I speak to are right behind Drakeford on this and plenty of others are ambivalent. I have seen a couple of the new 20 signs blacked out, possibly by people crossing over the border!
Most people seem to be sticking to it and it does make it a whole lot easier to pull out on to a busy main road. I also feel much more confident about being able to stop if someone stepped out in front of me.
However, there are some right lunatics driving around these days and reducing it to 20 won’t make a blind bit of difference to them.
Everyone needs to chill out a bit and take the opportunity to listen to a couple of extra songs on their journey.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 25, 2023 18:54:11 GMT 1
I'm travelling to Sealand Road, Chester on Thursday to hopefully buy a new laptop from Curry's. So my route in will require me to travel over the Westminster Bridge, turn left at the Roodee, and left again into Sealand Road. Sealand Road is in England up to Chester City's ground. I shall NOT be travelling up Sealand Road from the Welsh side through Sealand, which although a main route into Chester will no doubt be burdened with this new 20 m.p.h. limit. Crikey. I would consider internet shopping were I you. Should reduce your anxiety levels considerably. I think maybe he was just highlighting how pathetic our laws can be even depending which side of the road you are on
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 25, 2023 19:50:08 GMT 1
I'm travelling to Sealand Road, Chester on Thursday to hopefully buy a new laptop from Curry's. So my route in will require me to travel over the Westminster Bridge, turn left at the Roodee, and left again into Sealand Road. Sealand Road is in England up to Chester City's ground. I shall NOT be travelling up Sealand Road from the Welsh side through Sealand, which although a main route into Chester will no doubt be burdened with this new 20 m.p.h. limit. Crikey. I would consider internet shopping were I you. Should reduce your anxiety levels considerably. Catch 22, he can't buy on line 'cos he needs a new laptop?
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Post by mattmw on Sept 25, 2023 20:50:19 GMT 1
I'm travelling to Sealand Road, Chester on Thursday to hopefully buy a new laptop from Curry's. So my route in will require me to travel over the Westminster Bridge, turn left at the Roodee, and left again into Sealand Road. Sealand Road is in England up to Chester City's ground. I shall NOT be travelling up Sealand Road from the Welsh side through Sealand, which although a main route into Chester will no doubt be burdened with this new 20 m.p.h. limit. Don't think Sealand Road is included in the 20mph zone according to the local press. From my memory of the road its dueled in parts so won't be affected by the new 20mph zones. Don't know the other roads mentioned in the article but might be useful reference if you travel in Chester reguarly www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/23787536.20mph-limit-imposed-roads-chester-wales-border/Edit Sealand Road not dueled just two lanes at some junctions
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