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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Sept 27, 2023 17:21:00 GMT 1
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 27, 2023 17:29:02 GMT 1
To be fair I was only repeating what I'd read in the media - and we all know how they can twist stuff to suit their current agenda. Will hold my hand up, I it in as it was published. Stupid I know.
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Post by kenwood on Sept 27, 2023 22:23:50 GMT 1
Bloody hell, you need a good run up Dinas otherwise it can be a complete nightmare . Do they impose 20mph going down toward Dolgellau because you can be doing a fair speed on the way down . Some may have to be standing on their brakes to reduce speed to 20mph. Brings back memories of having to take the thermostat out of my mini to get up. Modern care breeze up now, what are you driving?âŚ.No 20 MPH in Dolgellau till you go over the bridge. Havenât been over Dinas for a few years now but used to quite regularly on my way to Dyffryn . Have pulled in just before to wait so that a caravan being towed has a chance to get over without me having to curse behind it. I agree , when I drove a Subaru Outback Auto. it was a breeze but before in the early 90âs driving an old Volvo I struggled unless I could get a run at it. Always mindful of police going through Dinas itself . Spent many happy times in Wales ,donât go so often now.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Sept 28, 2023 8:24:59 GMT 1
My view is they've taken what is essentially a good idea too far. My sister lives in a long cul-de-bag with a tight bend in it. Lots of elderly live there. There is a side entrance to a skool and cars parked by the side of the road. The 20mph signs have gone up. I've never bothered to check my speed before, because I'm very careful driving down there, but I couldn't resist glancing down at the speedometer. I was travelling at 15 mph!
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Sept 28, 2023 13:43:10 GMT 1
Don't get me wrong I think it's an annoying thing to introduce but anyone cancelling their holiday or trip to Wales because of it is being very overdramatic
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Post by kenwood on Sept 28, 2023 15:35:00 GMT 1
Don't get me wrong I think it's an annoying thing to introduce but anyone cancelling their holiday or trip to Wales because of it is being very overdramatic My thoughts too . Yes , it can be a pain but bloody hell , some need to grow up .
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 28, 2023 16:21:53 GMT 1
Don't get me wrong I think it's an annoying thing to introduce but anyone cancelling their holiday or trip to Wales because of it is being very overdramatic Probably depends a little on where you actually live. If you are say close to Merseyside or Bristol where you have other options close to hand such as Southport or Weston Supermare its perhaps understandable. We in Shropshire and Herefordshire would have to travel quite a distance to avoid going to Wales. So I can understand your point here. Dont forget for some people it's not just the journey to and from your holiday accommodation that's going to be a PITA everytime you drive through a built up area, but in some cases people travel around so it becomes a daily grind through every little village.
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Post by wurlitzer on Sept 28, 2023 16:33:10 GMT 1
During storm Agnes I was travelling through Wales and got overtook by a wheelie bin and 3 garden chairs.
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Sept 28, 2023 16:50:06 GMT 1
Don't get me wrong I think it's an annoying thing to introduce but anyone cancelling their holiday or trip to Wales because of it is being very overdramatic Probably depends a little on where you actually live. If you are say close to Merseyside or Bristol where you have other options close to hand such as Southport or Weston Supermare its perhaps understandable. We in Shropshire and Herefordshire would have to travel quite a distance to avoid going to Wales. So I can understand your point here. Dont forget for some people it's not just the journey to and from your holiday accommodation that's going to be a PITA everytime you drive through a built up area, but in some cases people travel around so it becomes a daily grind through every little village. Sorry to be Mr Pedantic Grizz,but.....Southport is in Merseyside. However, like most people on the Wirral,they don't like to talk about it đ˛
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Sept 28, 2023 17:33:46 GMT 1
Probably depends a little on where you actually live. If you are say close to Merseyside or Bristol where you have other options close to hand such as Southport or Weston Supermare its perhaps understandable. We in Shropshire and Herefordshire would have to travel quite a distance to avoid going to Wales. So I can understand your point here. Dont forget for some people it's not just the journey to and from your holiday accommodation that's going to be a PITA everytime you drive through a built up area, but in some cases people travel around so it becomes a daily grind through every little village. Sorry to be Mr Pedantic Grizz,but.....Southport is in Merseyside. However, like most people on the Wirral,they don't like to talk about it đ˛ Areas of The Wirral are in Cheshire đ
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Sept 28, 2023 21:12:33 GMT 1
Sorry to be Mr Pedantic Grizz,but.....Southport is in Merseyside. However, like most people on the Wirral,they don't like to talk about it đ˛ Areas of The Wirral are in Cheshire đ Only the most southern part around Ellesmere Port on the Merseyside and Parkgate/Neston on the Deeside
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Sept 28, 2023 22:02:46 GMT 1
Areas of The Wirral are in Cheshire đ Only the most southern part around Ellesmere Port on the Merseyside and Parkgate/Neston on the Deeside So. Following on from your self confessed pendantic comment-parts of the Wirral are Cheshire đ
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 29, 2023 9:39:50 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Sept 29, 2023 11:15:09 GMT 1
Yellow boxes at junctions is another - sometimes through no fault of your own you are trapped in one, even though I know you shouldn't enter one until the exit appears clear.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 29, 2023 11:30:33 GMT 1
Don't get me wrong I think it's an annoying thing to introduce but anyone cancelling their holiday or trip to Wales because of it is being very overdramatic
I'm setting off now so I'll be at the coast for the spring bank holiday.
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Post by mattmw on Sept 29, 2023 11:30:34 GMT 1
It is getting increasingly difficult to work out what the Governments policy on 20mph zones is. In 2021 they launched a series of measures to promote Active Travel to encourage more walking and cycling to take place, especially for journeys of under a mile, and to support this suggested 20mph zones be introduced in key routes with high walking and cycling potential. Indeed we (Shropshire Council) got funding for a scheme in May which is well supported by the local community www.cittimagazine.co.uk/news/active-travel/shropshire-council-wins-more-than-600000-for-school-streets-active-travel-scheme.htmlClearly need to get the full details of what Sunak is proposing with the "ban" on new 20mph zones next week, but on the face of it Sunak's new policy means the Active Travel scheme they supported and funded in May in Shrewsbury is no longer their policy? So will they be withdrawing the funding? I did think Sunak might bring a level of rational decision making to the Government, but he seems to be thrashing about making policy on the hoof at the moment and is now over ruling his own policies of 6 months ago!
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 29, 2023 12:04:48 GMT 1
It is getting increasingly difficult to work out what the Governments policy on 20mph zones is. In 2021 they launched a series of measures to promote Active Travel to encourage more walking and cycling to take place, especially for journeys of under a mile, and to support this suggested 20mph zones be introduced in key routes with high walking and cycling potential. Indeed we (Shropshire Council) got funding for a scheme in May which is well supported by the local community www.cittimagazine.co.uk/news/active-travel/shropshire-council-wins-more-than-600000-for-school-streets-active-travel-scheme.htmlClearly need to get the full details of what Sunak is proposing with the "ban" on new 20mph zones next week, but on the face of it Sunak's new policy means the Active Travel scheme they supported and funded in May in Shrewsbury is no longer their policy? So will they be withdrawing the funding? I did think Sunak might bring a level of rational decision making to the Government, but he seems to be thrashing about making policy on the hoof at the moment and is now over ruling his own policies of 6 months ago! The only thing ruling his mind now is trying to prevent catastrophie at the election. The Uxbridge by election takeaway was cosset the motorist and you get votes, so that's what he's doing.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 29, 2023 15:46:27 GMT 1
Those Welsh barstewards are determined to get me. No sign of any of their Arrive Alive vans in the new 20 m.p.h. zones, but one was situated on the bridge over the A483 after the Gresford turn (70 m.p.h limit), and for the 1st time ever as far as I'm aware, a van buried in the grass on the 50 m.p.h. limit road to Overton. It was that buried that it was obliged to put on orange lights on the top of the van, as it was impossible to spot and presumably was obliged to do so as there are no speed camera warnings on that stretch. I wouldn't be surprised if they put the horsebox back into action soon! news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7322582.stm
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 29, 2023 16:10:52 GMT 1
Those Welsh barstewards are determined to get me. No sign of any of their Arrive Alive vans in the new 20 m.p.h. zones, but one was situated on the bridge over the A483 after the Gresford turn (70 m.p.h limit), and for the 1st time ever as far as I'm aware, a van buried in the grass on the 50 m.p.h. limit road to Overton. It was that buried that it was obliged to put on orange lights on the top of the van, as it was impossible to spot and presumably was obliged to do so as there are no speed camera warnings on that stretch. I wouldn't be surprised if they put the horsebox back into action soon! news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7322582.stmHope you donât mind me asking, why you chose Chester Curryâs for your lap top over Shrewsbury or Wrexham which are much closer to Ellesmere?
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Post by vladimir on Sept 29, 2023 16:35:38 GMT 1
Those Welsh barstewards are determined to get me. No sign of any of their Arrive Alive vans in the new 20 m.p.h. zones, but one was situated on the bridge over the A483 after the Gresford turn (70 m.p.h limit), and for the 1st time ever as far as I'm aware, a van buried in the grass on the 50 m.p.h. limit road to Overton. It was that buried that it was obliged to put on orange lights on the top of the van, as it was impossible to spot and presumably was obliged to do so as there are no speed camera warnings on that stretch. I wouldn't be surprised if they put the horsebox back into action soon! news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7322582.stmDetermined to get just you or people who break the clearly marked speed limits on the roads in question?
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 29, 2023 17:39:15 GMT 1
Those Welsh barstewards are determined to get me. No sign of any of their Arrive Alive vans in the new 20 m.p.h. zones, but one was situated on the bridge over the A483 after the Gresford turn (70 m.p.h limit), and for the 1st time ever as far as I'm aware, a van buried in the grass on the 50 m.p.h. limit road to Overton. It was that buried that it was obliged to put on orange lights on the top of the van, as it was impossible to spot and presumably was obliged to do so as there are no speed camera warnings on that stretch. I wouldn't be surprised if they put the horsebox back into action soon! news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7322582.stmDetermined to get just you or people who break the clearly marked speed limits on the roads in question? That's fair enough, but the speed van will hide itself in a place where the speed limit is a blanket speed and not really correct for the traffic at that paticular spot or the static camera will be in a place where during working hours congestion prevents speeding, but at off peak times when there is no traffic it's easy to stray past the limit (safely) on a clear straight road. There's also the latest fad of lowering, say, a perfectly safe 40 to a 30, then putting the van there and reelng in all those who had done a safe 40 mph in that spot for years depending on conditions. If only we motorists could be trusted to drive correctly for the cnnditions, sadly we can't, and so we are stuck with speed cameras. and, worst of all, average speed cameras.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 29, 2023 19:16:55 GMT 1
Agreed. As a motorist and a cyclist the rubbish spouted by the cycling groups on this article are frankly just plain stupid.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 29, 2023 21:29:18 GMT 1
Petition now just got to 450,000
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Post by northwestman on Sept 29, 2023 21:31:35 GMT 1
Agreed. As a motorist and a cyclist the rubbish spouted by the cycling groups on this article are frankly just plain stupid. Lee Waters, Drakeford's sidekick, is an absolute fanatic in promoting walking, cycling and public transport to the detriment of the motorist. The ÂŁ33 million they've wasted on this nonsense could easily have been spent on repairing potholes on the Welsh roads, which not only cause damage to vehicles but also injuries to cyclists and others.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 30, 2023 14:41:54 GMT 1
A complete non-story. Councils can revert roads to a 30 mph if they see fit and it could make sense to do so on some roads next to a 40 mph speed limit.
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Post by mattmw on Sept 30, 2023 15:12:04 GMT 1
Agreed. As a motorist and a cyclist the rubbish spouted by the cycling groups on this article are frankly just plain stupid. Lee Waters, Drakeford's sidekick, is an absolute fanatic in promoting walking, cycling and public transport to the detriment of the motorist. The ÂŁ33 million they've wasted on this nonsense could easily have been spent on repairing potholes on the Welsh roads, which not only cause damage to vehicles but also injuries to cyclists and others. Despite the concerns and growing petition numbers Lee Waters still seems to be retaining the support of his party on the issue, having survived a no confidence vote earlier this week. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-66929515The ÂŁ33 million for the Welsh scheme is rather meager fare compared to the ÂŁ2 billion the UK government allocated to cycling and walking provision in 2020, via the then PM Johnson and Transport Secretary Grant Snapps. This included setting up a new government body called Active Travel England to advise on the issue and promote cycling and walking schemes in the UK in partnership with Local Authorities www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-kickstarts-2bn-cycling-and-walking-revolution#:~:text=The%20new%20plan%20aims%20to,live%2C%20work%20and%20get%20around. The plan included "Supporting local authorities by empowering them to crack down on traffic offences; and consulting to increase metro mayorsâ powers over key road networks" and "Improving air quality and reducing traffic by creating more low traffic neighbourhoods to reduce rat running, including by consulting on communitiesâ right to close side streets; putting in place more âschool streetsâ to reduce traffic by schools; intensive funding of 12 new areas to become more cycle friendly, known as âMini Hollandsâ; and creating at least one zero-emission transport city centre" PM Sunak seems to have decided these "hare brained" traffic schemes of 2020 now need to go, which all seems a little wasteful of the ÂŁ2 billion the government spent on it.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 30, 2023 17:11:07 GMT 1
A complete non-story. Councils can revert roads to a 30 mph if they see fit and it could make sense to do so on some roads next to a 40 mph speed limit. But some Councils are apparently reluctant to do so as they fear the legal consequences should an accident subsequently occur.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 30, 2023 21:47:46 GMT 1
A complete non-story. Councils can revert roads to a 30 mph if they see fit and it could make sense to do so on some roads next to a 40 mph speed limit. Not quite a non story. Built up areas don't have to display 30mph signs. The default speed in a built up area is 30 mph, except in Wales, where it is now 20mph.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Sept 30, 2023 23:14:04 GMT 1
Parents holding protests around the country against âan epidemic of careless and dangerous drivingâ.
Data taken outside a school in Birmingham shows 91% of vehicles speeding.
The war on motorists continuesđ
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 1, 2023 10:21:45 GMT 1
Parents holding protests around the country against âan epidemic of careless and dangerous drivingâ. Data taken outside a school in Birmingham shows 91% of vehicles speeding. The war on motorists continuesđ That's evidence for reigning in the idiots who flout existing laws, not for making law abiding careful drivers trundle through towns and villages at 20 mph.
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