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Post by shroppygold on Jun 30, 2022 18:58:57 GMT 1
Because it became topical? I imagine most town fans heard about the friendly with this Qatar club last week. I didn’t see sight nor sound of any complaints on here or social media (there may have been, I just didn’t see any). Suddenly folk become offended/support it being cancelled because a statement is made. Yet they didn’t bat an eye lid before said statement… utterly bizarre behaviour. My last say on the matter anyway, opinion has been made clear, and the matter and subsequent inquest will probably be laughed at in future in my eyes it’s just a friendly no club will gain anything financial it’s just a warm up game. Let it go ahead.
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Post by shroppygold on Jun 30, 2022 19:01:41 GMT 1
I think being gay was illegal until 1967 what do this gay right groups want to wipe out any mention of anything before1967 and say the world was created in 1967 ffs.
I got nothing against anyone being whatever they want to be
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 30, 2022 19:34:08 GMT 1
Who are the bigger snowflakes, the ones making a valid point to the club about playing a game against a team from a country where being gay can get you stoned to death or those crying when the club (if indeed it even was the club) choose to cancel the game, because they actually agree with the ones who made the valid point in the first place? But these same people and I have no doubt will be cheering on England in three four months. I bet all these people who are moaning have s**t in there house made in china etc. To be brutally honest I couldn't give a toss about the national team, even less so when the World Cup is disrupting the season in the name of filthy lucre.
Yeah I and probably everyone on here own stuff made in China, I don't have to like it though and although I still do buy stuff made there I do try to be more picky about my purchases these days, but it is becoming increasingly difficult. Even products that are made in the UK or the EU are almost certain to contain components made in China.
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 30, 2022 19:36:42 GMT 1
I think being gay was illegal until 1967 what do this gay right groups want to wipe out any mention of anything before1967 and say the world was created in 1967 ffs. I got nothing against anyone being whatever they want to be Jeez I thought there were already a few on here that talk s**t, but you take it to a whole new level.
Do you want egg or pineapple with that gammon?
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Post by blazey on Jun 30, 2022 19:51:59 GMT 1
Correct decision reached and well resolved by the club in the end, sounds like those who are travelling out there will actually get a better deal than watching us play a pub team from a despotic state in an exhibition match....
No, I won’t be watching the World Cup either.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 30, 2022 20:21:11 GMT 1
I agree, the club can't please everyone all the time. But this isn't about selling chips in the concourse or mending the fence on Oteley Road. Proud Salopians is a representative group, not a pressure group, and it represents a section of fans who were made to feel unwelcome and unsafe in football grounds for far too long. Indeed, they were made to feel that way in society generally during the lifetime of many on here. If we were playing a team from the US, none of this would have arisen because the issue is completely different and too disconnected from a football match. But, like it or not, that isn't the case with Qatar. Nobody is suggesting the club should always do what a section of fans want. If it did, few managers would last a season. But nobody believes that will happen anyway, with or without this "precedent". But we’re not playing in Quatar, or even a representative side. It maybe that the Quatari side oppose their Govt stance, who knows? Should every sports team in Quatar become pariahs because of their Govt? I know that is the case with Russia at the moment. Sports and politics and ethics are a very difficult mix. Even Russian sportsmen are allowed in most sports, provided they don't compete under the Russian flag. Had the word Qatar not been in their name, we would probably have played a friendly against, say, Sporting SC and no one would have batted an eyelid...
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Post by Pilch on Jun 30, 2022 20:45:22 GMT 1
There isn't enough time in the day to be perturbed by every single injustice on the planet, I get that. But you can't claim to be an advocate of human rights or LGBT rights only in instances where it's convenient for you to do so but not in others that may require effort - or educating yourself. Otherwise you're not only a massive hypocrite but it may expose your own biases in the way you view the world. "There isn't enough time in the day ......" But you can't be selective and have to fight every battle or else you're "a massive hypocrite". Do I need to point out the logical inconsistency in those comments? I your advice and digged a bit deeper this time the thing about hypocrites is they forget what their principles are back where we first heard Qatar had the World Cup, the only issue on your mind was Blatter and corruption, but you were happy for different nations to host the World Cup at least There's nothing to suggest it will happen now but there are precedents in other sports for splits with governing bodies, or at least radical reform, if the active side of the sport feels it's getting a raw deal from its administrators. I doubt many countries are thrilled at the prospect of a tournament in Qatar but it's fair enough to let different countries play host. Leaving aside today's World Cup decisions though, I just wish someone influential would reject the whole stinking edifice built by Blatter and his FIFA empire. Keep up the good work BBC and maybe one day this ridiculous charade will be brought to an end. and later that day we had a really sensible debate, with only one person hinting at life in Qatar and was totally ignored, I only hinted at us being part of the corruption only got to mention the word gay or black in a thread these days and opportunists arrive to force an opinion on you that they never used to have, or at least give a toss about
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 30, 2022 20:57:50 GMT 1
"There isn't enough time in the day ......" But you can't be selective and have to fight every battle or else you're "a massive hypocrite". Do I need to point out the logical inconsistency in those comments? I your advice and digged a bit deeper this time the thing about hypocrites is they forget what their principles are back where we first heard Qatar had the World Cup, the only issue on your mind was Blatter and corruption, but you were happy for different nations to host the World Cup at least There's nothing to suggest it will happen now but there are precedents in other sports for splits with governing bodies, or at least radical reform, if the active side of the sport feels it's getting a raw deal from its administrators. I doubt many countries are thrilled at the prospect of a tournament in Qatar but it's fair enough to let different countries play host. Leaving aside today's World Cup decisions though, I just wish someone influential would reject the whole stinking edifice built by Blatter and his FIFA empire. Keep up the good work BBC and maybe one day this ridiculous charade will be brought to an end. and later that day we had a really sensible debate, with only one person hinting at life in Qatar and was totally ignored, I only hinted at us being part of the corruption only got to mention the word gay or black in a thread these days and opportunists arrive to force an opinion on you that they never used to have, or at least give a toss about Black mark Pilch, please stop bouncing this back and forth, it does no one any good. We all already know how some posters are gonna post, let's just accept each other's foibles.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 21:02:15 GMT 1
On the debate about jumping on the bandwagon, as far as I can see, this is the timeline of events
June 24th - We announce a game against SC Qatar June 27th - Watford announce their game against Qatar is off. A thread is started asking whether our game should be called off. That thread gets 6 responses, none saying the game should be off June 29th - Proud Salopians put out a statement expressing their disappointment at the game going ahead June 30th - The game is called off and most fans say it's the right call
So as far as I can see, fans had a few days to express their disappointment at the club's choice of opponents and even though it was brought to their attention that Watford had called off their game, it wasn't until a group made up of 10 members (as far as I'm aware) put out a statement, that many of our fans then decided to announce their moral objection to the fixture.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 30, 2022 21:07:21 GMT 1
On the debate about jumping on the bandwagon, as far as I can see, this is the timeline of events June 24th - We announce a game against SC Qatar June 27th - Watford announce their game against Qatar is off. A thread is started asking whether our game should be called off. That thread gets 6 responses, none saying the game should be off June 29th - Proud Salopians put out a statement expressing their disappointment at the game going ahead June 30th - The game is called off and most fans say it's the right call So as far as I can see, fans had a few days to express their disappointment at the club's choice of opponents and even though it was brought to their attention that Watford had called off their game, it wasn't until a group made up of 10 members (as far as I'm aware) put out a statement, that many of our fans then decided to announce their moral objection to the fixture. Worth adding into your timeline that the group contacted BC via email on the evening of the 24th June. Also not sure that many of our fans have announced their moral objection to the fixture, to me it seems like there’s a small amount feeling strongly on both sides of the debate and the vast majority having no strong opinion either way.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 30, 2022 21:07:32 GMT 1
I your advice and digged a bit deeper this time the thing about hypocrites is they forget what their principles are back where we first heard Qatar had the World Cup, the only issue on your mind was Blatter and corruption, but you were happy for different nations to host the World Cup at least and later that day we had a really sensible debate, with only one person hinting at life in Qatar and was totally ignored, I only hinted at us being part of the corruption only got to mention the word gay or black in a thread these days and opportunists arrive to force an opinion on you that they never used to have, or at least give a toss about Black mark Pilch, please stop bouncing this back and forth, it does no one any good. We all already know how some posters are gonna post, let's just accept each other's foibles. sorry but I won't be silenced I'm all for equality in our country, and we are far from that, but I couldn't care less about what other countries that don't bother me or never will decide what is right and wrong there I certainly complain when outsiders try and change our laws my opinion and I could quite easily say the politically correct s**te but I'd rather be honest than play those games and give my own opinion take it or leave it
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 30, 2022 21:14:17 GMT 1
Black mark Pilch, please stop bouncing this back and forth, it does no one any good. We all already know how some posters are gonna post, let's just accept each other's foibles. sorry but I won't be silenced I'm all for equality in our country, and we are far from that, but I couldn't care less about what other countries that don't bother me or never will decide what is right and wrong there I certainly complain when outsiders try and change our laws my opinion and I could quite easily say the politically correct s**te but I'd rather be honest than play those games and give my own opinion take it or leave it Every right to too. It's just the nagging of others who disagree that gets me, both ways you to them and them to you. Some people just have different ideas, doesn't make them right or wrong. Please stick to your principles, but let them stick to theirs. They can force an opinion on you, but they can't force you to change your opinion.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jun 30, 2022 21:15:03 GMT 1
I your advice and digged a bit deeper this time the thing about hypocrites is they forget what their principles are back where we first heard Qatar had the World Cup, the only issue on your mind was Blatter and corruption, but you were happy for different nations to host the World Cup at least and later that day we had a really sensible debate, with only one person hinting at life in Qatar and was totally ignored, I only hinted at us being part of the corruption only got to mention the word gay or black in a thread these days and opportunists arrive to force an opinion on you that they never used to have, or at least give a toss about Black mark Pilch, please stop bouncing this back and forth, it does no one any good. We all already know how some posters are gonna post, let's just accept each other's foibles. The usual pattern, when someone likes the sound of their own voice it becomes some sort of crusade, but when they are on the back foot it becomes a grudge or bullying and there endith the thread.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 30, 2022 21:16:57 GMT 1
Black mark Pilch, please stop bouncing this back and forth, it does no one any good. We all already know how some posters are gonna post, let's just accept each other's foibles. The usual pattern, when someone likes the sound of their own voice it becomes some sort of crusade, but when they are on the back foot it becomes a grudge or bullying and there endith the thread. hey matron remember when I mentioned opportunists here's one right on cue, last few weeks I feel like inspector clouseau knowing cato is about to pounce ps thanks for sorting the hospital beds, not a sign of one this week, first time in 12 months, you are my hero
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 30, 2022 21:20:36 GMT 1
Black mark Pilch, please stop bouncing this back and forth, it does no one any good. We all already know how some posters are gonna post, let's just accept each other's foibles. The usual pattern, when someone likes the sound of their own voice it becomes some sort of crusade, but when they are on the back foot it becomes a grudge or bullying and there endith the thread. No, Pilch has a view point, we all have a view point, we just need to be a little more accepting of each other's view points.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jun 30, 2022 21:21:16 GMT 1
The usual pattern, when someone likes the sound of their own voice it becomes some sort of crusade, but when they are on the back foot it becomes a grudge or bullying and there endith the thread. hey matron remember when I mentioned opportunists here's one right on cue, last few weeks I feel like inspector clouseau knowing cato is about to pounce ps thanks for sorting the hospital beds, not a sign of one this week, first time in 12 months, you are my hero I will ask for permission next time, sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 21:24:11 GMT 1
Worth adding into your timeline that the group contacted BC via email on the evening of the 24th June. Also not sure that many of our fans have announced their moral objection to the fixture, to me it seems like there’s a small amount feeling strongly on both sides of the debate and the vast majority having no strong opinion either way. Fair point although my point still stands, if people didn't want the game to go ahead then they had the opportunity to object when it was announced and when it became even more relevant when Watford called their game off. Why did it take a statement from a supporters group for some to start questioning whether the game should go ahead (and subsequently agreeing it shouldn't)? And my comments are aimed at fans across the internet, not just B&A, you are probably right that its still a small number of people but there still some saying it's the right decision and we shouldn't be playing a team from Qatar, there had been no comments along those lines until the last 24 hours.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 30, 2022 21:32:00 GMT 1
hey matron remember when I mentioned opportunists here's one right on cue, last few weeks I feel like inspector clouseau knowing cato is about to pounce ps thanks for sorting the hospital beds, not a sign of one this week, first time in 12 months, you are my hero I will ask for permission next time, sorry. you are already planning next time ? I'm not shocked
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jun 30, 2022 21:37:16 GMT 1
I will ask for permission next time, sorry. you are already planning next time ? I'm not shocked Well you know what it's like to be predictable!!!
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Post by Pilch on Jun 30, 2022 21:37:55 GMT 1
Worth adding into your timeline that the group contacted BC via email on the evening of the 24th June. Also not sure that many of our fans have announced their moral objection to the fixture, to me it seems like there’s a small amount feeling strongly on both sides of the debate and the vast majority having no strong opinion either way. Fair point although my point still stands, if people didn't want the game to go ahead then they had the opportunity to object when it was announced and when it became even more relevant when Watford called their game off. Why did it take a statement from a supporters group for some to start questioning whether the game should go ahead (and subsequently agreeing it shouldn't)? And my comments are aimed at fans across the internet, not just B&A, you are probably right that its still a small number of people but there still some saying it's the right decision and we shouldn't be playing a team from Qatar, there had been no comments along those lines until the last 24 hours. I stand by your point too, I can see exactly where you are coming from and agree
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Post by Pilch on Jun 30, 2022 21:38:34 GMT 1
you are already planning next time ? I'm not shocked Well you know what it's like to be predictable!!! who gave you permission to post that ?
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 30, 2022 21:39:33 GMT 1
I will ask for permission next time, sorry. you are already planning next time ? I'm not shocked Your very own Kato
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Post by block12massive on Jun 30, 2022 22:01:51 GMT 1
Who are the bigger snowflakes, the ones making a valid point to the club about playing a game against a team from a country where being gay can get you stoned to death or those crying when the club (if indeed it even was the club) choose to cancel the game, because they actually agree with the ones who made the valid point in the first place? Fair point! Some people cry over gay men and women being stoned to death whilst overs cry over the colour of their passport. Which ones are the snowflakes? And some cry over gay men and women being stoned to death in Country A but couldn't give two hoots about the same thing happening in Country B. Like I said, it's a funny old world.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 30, 2022 23:08:26 GMT 1
"There isn't enough time in the day ......" But you can't be selective and have to fight every battle or else you're "a massive hypocrite". Do I need to point out the logical inconsistency in those comments? I your advice and digged a bit deeper this time the thing about hypocrites is they forget what their principles are back where we first heard Qatar had the World Cup, the only issue on your mind was Blatter and corruption, but you were happy for different nations to host the World Cup at least There's nothing to suggest it will happen now but there are precedents in other sports for splits with governing bodies, or at least radical reform, if the active side of the sport feels it's getting a raw deal from its administrators. I doubt many countries are thrilled at the prospect of a tournament in Qatar but it's fair enough to let different countries play host. Leaving aside today's World Cup decisions though, I just wish someone influential would reject the whole stinking edifice built by Blatter and his FIFA empire. Keep up the good work BBC and maybe one day this ridiculous charade will be brought to an end. and later that day we had a really sensible debate, with only one person hinting at life in Qatar and was totally ignored, I only hinted at us being part of the corruption only got to mention the word gay or black in a thread these days and opportunists arrive to force an opinion on you that they never used to have, or at least give a toss about Good for you that your thinking is so entrenched you think it's some sort of gotcha to dig out an old post (evidently your speciality) that doesn't make exactly the same point that's being discussed now. We could have had a sensible debate here too, but that possibility disappeared pretty quickly.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 30, 2022 23:28:47 GMT 1
On the debate about jumping on the bandwagon, as far as I can see, this is the timeline of events June 24th - We announce a game against SC Qatar June 27th - Watford announce their game against Qatar is off. A thread is started asking whether our game should be called off. That thread gets 6 responses, none saying the game should be off June 29th - Proud Salopians put out a statement expressing their disappointment at the game going ahead June 30th - The game is called off and most fans say it's the right call So as far as I can see, fans had a few days to express their disappointment at the club's choice of opponents and even though it was brought to their attention that Watford had called off their game, it wasn't until a group made up of 10 members (as far as I'm aware) put out a statement, that many of our fans then decided to announce their moral objection to the fixture. Enough of this bandwagon jumping nonsense. There is no bandwagon and nobody participating in this discussion is trying to win favour - as if that were possible amongst the small number of people who post on here - they just want to air their opinion. That's the only reason for this board to exist. It's a place to discuss matters of interest amongst Shrewsbury fans and people's views are no less valid if they're not posted on the day a story breaks. We don't have deadlines. My feelings about this match haven't changed since I first learned about it. I was disappointed we were playing a Qatari side but it wasn't something I wanted to post on - partly because I anticipated this thread would attract some of the s**t it has. I got drawn into it because I wanted to support the Proud Salopians when they tweeted their response. That was all. I'm glad the match isn't happening but I wouldn't have been unduly concerned if it had gone ahead. I've had it with the idiotic "what about China" posts and all the other garbage this thread has attracted. It's been one of the worst b&a threads I can recall. The world isn't perfect, nobody's perfect, we're all compromised and hypocritical to some extent. Can we not be grown ups and take that as a given? Some seem to think that means we aren't entitled to have an opinion on anything without being "massive hypocrites". Nobody can fight every battle and I'm bored by such inane whataboutery. That seems to me like an excuse for saying nothing and accepting everything. Each to their own.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 30, 2022 23:34:12 GMT 1
I your advice and digged a bit deeper this time the thing about hypocrites is they forget what their principles are back where we first heard Qatar had the World Cup, the only issue on your mind was Blatter and corruption, but you were happy for different nations to host the World Cup at least and later that day we had a really sensible debate, with only one person hinting at life in Qatar and was totally ignored, I only hinted at us being part of the corruption only got to mention the word gay or black in a thread these days and opportunists arrive to force an opinion on you that they never used to have, or at least give a toss about Good for you that your thinking is so entrenched you think it's some sort of gotcha to dig out an old post (evidently your speciality) that doesn't make exactly the same point that's being discussed now. We could have had a sensible debate here too, but that possibility disappeared pretty quickly. so in the space of a day youve criticised me for not digging deep enough and then for digging too deep , anyway , here's to your new principles 🍺🍺🍺
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Post by shroppygold on Jun 30, 2022 23:56:22 GMT 1
On the debate about jumping on the bandwagon, as far as I can see, this is the timeline of events June 24th - We announce a game against SC Qatar June 27th - Watford announce their game against Qatar is off. A thread is started asking whether our game should be called off. That thread gets 6 responses, none saying the game should be off June 29th - Proud Salopians put out a statement expressing their disappointment at the game going ahead June 30th - The game is called off and most fans say it's the right call So as far as I can see, fans had a few days to express their disappointment at the club's choice of opponents and even though it was brought to their attention that Watford had called off their game, it wasn't until a group made up of 10 members (as far as I'm aware) put out a statement, that many of our fans then decided to announce their moral objection to the fixture. So what ya saying you only got a backbone cos Watford did it first
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jul 1, 2022 0:28:03 GMT 1
Am I missing something or has there not been a statement to say that town cancelled the game because or the Qatari regime's position on homosexuality?
Secondly, if it turned out that actually it was Qatar that didn't want to play because of the rainbow armband, would the professionally offended crew still believe it's town fans that are the "snowflakes"?
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Post by Dale on Jul 1, 2022 6:11:51 GMT 1
Correct decision reached and well resolved by the club in the end, sounds like those who are travelling out there will actually get a better deal than watching us play a pub team from a despotic state in an exhibition match.... No, I won’t be watching the World Cup either. A pub… in Qatar??
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