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Post by Pilch on Jun 30, 2022 13:23:26 GMT 1
congratulations to selective principles
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Post by venceremos on Jun 30, 2022 13:25:58 GMT 1
It's not a crime to miss something but I found out they'd responded to the club on Friday on that same Twitter thread you mention. Somebody asked the question (obviously not you!) and they replied. Not sure what might be confusing the club, it's a pretty straightforward issue, whichever side of the argument you're on. Do you really believe we should just accept other countries' laws? Germany didn't do anything illegal in WW2 according to its own laws at the time. Russia is doing nothing illegal in Ukraine as far as it's concerned. I interpret "when in Rome" along the lines of drink what the locals drink, not turn a blind eye to anything its government is doing. The fact the game's being played in Spain doesn't really change anything. Digging into the past is irrelevant - we're in the here and now. But, for what its worth, while Turkey certainly isn't as socially liberal as the western world it's not a crime to be gay there, unlike Qatar. We really should not be holding a World Cup there. A friendly with a Qatar club, not the national side, in Spain is not even on the same scale of "wrongness". I agree and haven't suggested it was. I was specifically replying to the ringmaster's points but he can't be arsed to read any replies longer than two lines. |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 30, 2022 13:32:32 GMT 1
We really should not be holding a World Cup there. A friendly with a Qatar club, not the national side, in Spain is not even on the same scale of "wrongness". I agree and haven't suggested it was. I was specifically replying to the ringmaster's points but he can't be arsed to read any replies longer than two lines. and he still keeps firing |
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jun 30, 2022 13:34:42 GMT 1
Least this preseason isn't dull news wise I guess....
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Post by block12massive on Jun 30, 2022 13:36:39 GMT 1
What a bizarre turn of events. Most people on here agreed that a amicable resolution had been reached yesterday and both sides (the club and the lobbyists) came away from it with some credit, then they just pull the plug on it like that. So another day in the news with people who have no affiliation to the club and 3 followers on twitter telling them they've " done the right thing". Glad the fans that have travelled will at least get some recompense but it really has become a circus. Just wondering if ‘the Club are offering free transport for fans’ is from Shrewsbury 😉 Doubt it. They'll probably use a local firm. Spain is a bit far for Minsterley Motors to travel  |
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Post by venceremos on Jun 30, 2022 13:39:06 GMT 1
I agree and haven't suggested it was. I was specifically replying to the ringmaster's points but he can't be arsed to read any replies longer than two lines. and he still keeps firing Unlike you, eh? Unfortunately, the board doesn't allow me to block you. If you can find me a way to do that, it'd save a lot of nonsense. |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jun 30, 2022 13:39:07 GMT 1
congratulations to selective principles Whose selective principles though? |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 30, 2022 13:49:05 GMT 1
congratulations to selective principles Whose selective principles though? Unless the World Cup is cancelled, everyones! |
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 30, 2022 13:50:43 GMT 1
Whose selective principles though? Unless the World Cup is cancelled, everyones! Should have been, wasn’t but we can’t control that. |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jun 30, 2022 13:51:24 GMT 1
Whose selective principles though? Unless the World Cup is cancelled, everyones! Has it been established that town cancelled the game though? |
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 30, 2022 13:55:53 GMT 1
Whose selective principles though? Unless the World Cup is cancelled, everyones! The World Cup is out of STFC’s control though so is a straw man’s argument. The only relevance is on individual hypocrisy. Saying that the World Cup going ahead means everything else might as well is like using the global emissions produced by China as an excuse for not recycling. And just to put my own personal opinion out there it’s really poor form to cancel any arrangements at such short notice, and the only people it damages are those who had spent the money and made plans. But it’s a very messy situation and I have some sympathy with all parties concerned. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 30, 2022 13:59:57 GMT 1
Unless the World Cup is cancelled, everyones! The World Cup is out of STFC’s control though so is a straw man’s argument. The only relevance is on individual hypocrisy. Saying that the World Cup going ahead means everything else might as well is like using the global emissions produced by China as an excuse for not recycling. It's not everything else though is it? It was a piddling little friendly against a club side who just happen to be from Qatar, in Spain. In it's self it lends no support to Qatar and it's human rights policies, unlike the World Cup. |
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Post by kp on Jun 30, 2022 14:10:44 GMT 1
What about if it was a Russian Club? Just a question. Qatar, like a lot of places, including, as of last week, the US, have things going on that many people don't like. But they haven't recently trampled all over a sovereign country, committed war crimes, killed another countries civilions, threatened a World War, flattened whole cities, blocked food exports plunging other countries into food poverty, been slow to allow humaitarian efforts to evacuate war torn areas, etc. Are you sure? |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 30, 2022 14:18:30 GMT 1
and he still keeps firing Unlike you, eh? Unfortunately, the board doesn't allow me to block you. If you can find me a way to do that, it'd save a lot of nonsense. but then you wouldn't be able to call me childish names that despite me admitting i'd missed details and said it made a difference , you still felt the need to write a story and fish out a lecture and then seemingly unhappy that i did t bother reading it so called names it was only the other week i said these threads always end with someone on their high horse shouting down at someone , and there we have it , another one done and dusted |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 30, 2022 14:22:56 GMT 1
Qatar, like a lot of places, including, as of last week, the US, have things going on that many people don't like. But they haven't recently trampled all over a sovereign country, committed war crimes, killed another countries civilions, threatened a World War, flattened whole cities, blocked food exports plunging other countries into food poverty, been slow to allow humaitarian efforts to evacuate war torn areas, etc. Are you sure? Ahh, KP, the lovable nut  I did put the word "recently" in there. |
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Post by venceremos on Jun 30, 2022 14:25:39 GMT 1
Unlike you, eh? Unfortunately, the board doesn't allow me to block you. If you can find me a way to do that, it'd save a lot of nonsense. but then you wouldn't be able to call me childish names that despite me admitting i'd missed details and said it made a difference , you still felt the need to write a story and fish out a lecture and then seemingly unhappy that i did t bother reading it so called names it was only the other week i said these threads always end with someone on their high horse shouting down at someone , and there we have it , another one done and dusted I'm tired of your gaslighting. Nobody shouts down as much as you, you just don't realise it. |
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Post by block12massive on Jun 30, 2022 14:30:39 GMT 1
I wonder if the Galatasary friendly would have passed the 'woke test' if that happened this year instead of 2013.
I mean Turkey is hardly a beacon for human rights and anti-corruption either is it?
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Post by gtismygod on Jun 30, 2022 14:31:50 GMT 1
but then you wouldn't be able to call me childish names that despite me admitting i'd missed details and said it made a difference , you still felt the need to write a story and fish out a lecture and then seemingly unhappy that i did t bother reading it so called names it was only the other week i said these threads always end with someone on their high horse shouting down at someone , and there we have it , another one done and dusted I'm tired of your gaslighting. Nobody shouts down as much as you, you just don't realise it. How about a charity boxing match in the car park before one of the home games this season? Pilch vs Venceremos. The club could advertise it on their socials - all proceeds to Shrewsbury Town in the Community. Surely be a real money-maker. |
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 30, 2022 14:35:14 GMT 1
I'm tired of your gaslighting. Nobody shouts down as much as you, you just don't realise it. How about a charity boxing match in the car park before one of the home games this season? Pilch vs Venceremos. The club could advertise it on their socials - all proceeds to Shrewsbury Town in the Community. Surely be a real money-maker. I reckon you could organise a full Royal Rumble with B&A members eager to get involved  |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 30, 2022 14:55:13 GMT 1
I'm tired of your gaslighting. Nobody shouts down as much as you, you just don't realise it. How about a charity boxing match in the car park before one of the home games this season? Pilch vs Venceremos. The club could advertise it on their socials - all proceeds to Shrewsbury Town in the Community. Surely be a real money-maker. i'm up for it 👍 |
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jun 30, 2022 14:57:33 GMT 1
I wonder if the Galatasary friendly would have passed the 'woke test' if that happened this year instead of 2013. I mean Turkey is hardly a beacon for human rights and anti-corruption either is it? Just the 15 posts for me on this topic I don't care about last night then, that's all. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 30, 2022 15:04:22 GMT 1
How about a charity boxing match in the car park before one of the home games this season? Pilch vs Venceremos. The club could advertise it on their socials - all proceeds to Shrewsbury Town in the Community. Surely be a real money-maker. i'm up for it 👍 Ha Ha, the prolific postie potentially packs a powerful punch. Floats like a lilo, stings like a jellyfish.
There will be people along in a minute to object to any sort of combat sport.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 30, 2022 15:08:27 GMT 1
Ha Ha, the prolific postie potentially packs a powerful punch. Floats like a lilo, stings like a jellyfish.
There will be people along in a minute to object to any sort of combat sport.
no need , i'm be wearing rainbow laces 🌈 |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jun 30, 2022 15:57:33 GMT 1
If the club cancelled it, it sets a dangerous precedent that any interest group can highjack the clubs plans. It wasn’t even a representative side for goodness sake.
Does this mean we could never sign a Quatari player, for example?
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Post by welshshrew on Jun 30, 2022 16:00:19 GMT 1
All kinds of shades of grey on this issue. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to have all kinds of views on what is and isn’t acceptable. I’ll watch Wales in Qatar, Usyk beat Joshua in Saudi, boycott any of the LIV golf nonsense, and be conflicted by it all.
What is beyond doubt though is that it wasn’t a very good idea to arrange a friendly with Qatar SC and then end up in a position where your captain was going to be wearing a rainbow armband.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 30, 2022 16:04:27 GMT 1
If the club cancelled it, it sets a dangerous precedent that any interest group can highjack the clubs plans. It wasn’t even a representative side for goodness sake. Does this mean we could never sign a Quatari player, for example? Or play any side that has Qatari interest in any competitive game? Hmm, be interesting. |
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Post by venceremos on Jun 30, 2022 16:07:18 GMT 1
If the club cancelled it, it sets a dangerous precedent that any interest group can highjack the clubs plans. It wasn’t even a representative side for goodness sake. Does this mean we could never sign a Quatari player, for example? What exactly is the danger of this hypothetical precedent? That the club listens to its fans? That's a bad thing? |
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Post by horse01 on Jun 30, 2022 16:08:39 GMT 1
Sticky Vicky still going?! Last time I went, she was ‘performing’ with her daughter!! |
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 30, 2022 16:11:23 GMT 1
If the club cancelled it, it sets a dangerous precedent that any interest group can highjack the clubs plans. It wasn’t even a representative side for goodness sake. Does this mean we could never sign a Quatari player, for example? What exactly is the danger of this hypothetical precedent? That the club listens to its fans? That's a bad thing? That's very simplistic, if there was a vote to have it on or off, i think you'd be a huge majority to have it on. In this example, have they actually not listened to their fans? |
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Post by venceremos on Jun 30, 2022 16:25:54 GMT 1
What exactly is the danger of this hypothetical precedent? That the club listens to its fans? That's a bad thing? That's very simplistic, if there was a vote to have it on or off, i think you'd be a huge majority to have it on. In this example, have they actually not listened to their fans? I suspect the majority wouldn't really care one way or the other. Your and my guesswork is no better than anyone else's. Doesn't matter, it's not a democracy. If a minority feel strongly about something then the club should listen. I thought the Proud Salopians handled their case exceptionally well and deserved to be heard, but whether or not the club acted on that, I don't know. I'm pleased the game's off but I wouldn't have been outraged had it gone ahead. The notion that a supporters' group might have hijacked the club's plans, and that this would somehow be dangerous, just seems an odd one to me, that's all. Must remember that next time I hear fans calling for a manager to be sacked. |
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