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Post by block12massive on Jun 27, 2022 13:56:53 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61951124Called off due to pressures from supporters groups over human rights issues. I wonder if we should follow suit given our upcoming friendly v Qatar SC? Though I don't think it'd be fair on Bizzy. He's had this Benidorm trip booked for months!
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Post by Pilch on Jun 27, 2022 14:14:07 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61951124Called off due to pressures from supporters groups over human rights issues. I wonder if we should follow suit given our upcoming friendly v Qatar SC? Though I don't think it'd be fair on Bizzy. He's had this Benidorm trip booked for months! wasn't it meant to be a game v coventry he booked the trip for ? can't see anyone caring enough about this to moan though
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Post by block12massive on Jun 27, 2022 14:34:34 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61951124Called off due to pressures from supporters groups over human rights issues. I wonder if we should follow suit given our upcoming friendly v Qatar SC? Though I don't think it'd be fair on Bizzy. He's had this Benidorm trip booked for months! wasn't it meant to be a game v coventry he booked the trip for ? can't see anyone caring enough about this to moan though That's a very good point. Wait til Watford fans find out there's a whole World Cup happening there later this year...
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 27, 2022 14:36:20 GMT 1
Think it should be up for discussion what with our inclusiveness policy. Perhaps the team should wear T shirts condemning Qatar’s human rights record.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 14:43:24 GMT 1
I can't imagine us playing a club side from Qatar at a hotel in Benidorm will attract much attention in the footballing world, and I'd be surprised if there was enough of our fans who would complain/put pressure on the club to pull out.
I do get the concerns but I'm just not easy with football fans picking who they want to play against on moral grounds, there's plenty of football clubs in this country who are funded by states/businesses with questionable ethics, so where do you draw the line?
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jun 27, 2022 15:34:46 GMT 1
Called off due to pressures from supporters groups over human rights issues I didn't realise things were that bad in Watford.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jun 27, 2022 15:50:54 GMT 1
I can understand a boycott of attending the tournament itself or a game against a Qatari national side that's explicitly tied to the Qatari FA and wider establishment but I think boycotting an individual club and a game being played on neutral ground us a bit tenuous.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 10:45:39 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Jun 29, 2022 11:01:12 GMT 1
don't take this as an opinion but it was illegal here too, last time we hosted the world cup
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jun 29, 2022 11:21:43 GMT 1
Is playing a privately owned club at a hotel in Spain "supporting the regime"? I understand boycotting attending the world cup to avoid contributing financially to a regime that prohibits homosexuality and allows human rights abuses of the kind seen during creation of the stadia. I can understand avoiding anything that might support the Qatari FA for effectively benefitting from those practices, or fifa for that matter. I'm not aware that Qatar SC has a public position on homosexuality though and strongly doubt they or the Qatari regime are benefitting financially from the game. It won't be televised, so Shrewsbury Town isn't lending its good name (and I do think it's a good name) to the club or the country. It's purely a training exercise and I expect the opposition was determined by who was training nearby as opposed to a political decision or endorsement of the Qatari government position (i believe ex-Bayern Munich and Spain midfielder Javi Martinez plays for Qatar SC - could be the link?) If we're going down this road, where does it stop? Should Qatar SC preemptively boycott us over Rwanda? Should we all boycott any USA teams over abortion? I would suggest encouraging fans to refuse to even tune in to the world cup might have more impact. If the event is a flop, fans stay at home and TV ratings are way down that will financially impact the Qataris and FIFA and is far more likely to make them think again about policy and future hosts respectively.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 29, 2022 11:22:23 GMT 1
Think it should be up for discussion what with our inclusiveness policy. Perhaps the team should wear T shirts condemning Qatar’s human rights record. More polite and proper to wear something promoting equality, rather than pointing at their failings.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 11:34:05 GMT 1
Is playing a privately owned club at a hotel in Spain "supporting the regime"? I understand boycotting attending the world cup to avoid contributing financially to a regime that prohibits homosexuality and allows human rights abuses of the kind seen during creation of the stadia. I can understand avoiding anything that might support the Qatari FA for effectively benefitting from those practices, or fifa for that matter. I'm not aware that Qatar SC has a public position on homosexuality though and strongly doubt they or the Qatari regime are benefitting financially from the game. It won't be televised, so Shrewsbury Town isn't lending its good name (and I do think it's a good name) to the club or the country. It's purely a training exercise and I expect the opposition was determined by who was training nearby as opposed to a political decision or endorsement of the Qatari government position (i believe ex-Bayern Munich and Spain midfielder Javi Martinez plays for Qatar SC - could be the link?) If we're going down this road, where does it stop? Should Qatar SC preemptively boycott us over Rwanda? Should we all boycott any USA teams over abortion? I would suggest encouraging fans to refuse to even tune in to the world cup might have more impact. If the event is a flop, fans stay at home and TV ratings are way down that will financially impact the Qataris and FIFA and is far more likely to make them think again about policy and future hosts respectively. Completely agree. I do get the concerns and I frankly think it's ridiculous FIFA have created the situation by holding the world cup there, but as you said, where do you draw the line? If we draw Newcastle or Man City in the cup should we boycott it? If we have the opportunity to sign a player from Qatar or Saudi Arabia should we refuse to do so? There will be no doubt plenty of other scenario's where we could choose to apply our moral standards/ethics which is why people are keen for politics and football to be kept separate. Perhaps that is an outdated/naive view but the reality is it's going down a rabbit hole and will show Shrewsbury/football/society to be very hypocritical when it comes to choosing when to apply some ethics. It's ironic that you've mentioned the name of Shrewsbury Town, before this statement was put out then very few people would know we are playing this friendly, however such is the power of the internet, this will make some waves and if the club goes ahead with the game, the name of the club will be tarred. That is no criticsm of the group who have put the statement out and I'm sure that isn't their intention, that is just the reality of the world we live in today.
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 29, 2022 11:38:24 GMT 1
If you moan about this, then watch the world cup and any game involving Man City, Newcastle, Barcelona etc then you're a penis.
It's neither, or both. Make your stance either way, but stick to it.
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Post by bizzylad on Jun 29, 2022 11:46:05 GMT 1
If you moan about this, then watch the world cup and any game involving Man City, Newcastle, Barcelona etc then you're a penis. It's neither, or both. Make your stance either way, but stick to it. Hypocritical two faced nonsense of the highest order mon..
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Post by block12massive on Jun 29, 2022 11:53:31 GMT 1
If you moan about this, then watch the world cup and any game involving Man City, Newcastle, Barcelona etc then you're a penis. It's neither, or both. Make your stance either way, but stick to it. There are countless examples of where the ownership of this club have behaved in ways that have rubbed up us fans the wrong way. But for an affiliated fan group to call them out on social media for a few likes while simultaneously admitting it's too late for the club to change it's plans is sh*thousery of the highest order. If the idea of a football club or country engaging with another club or country with questionable morals upsets you then I'm afraid the sport really isn't for you.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 29, 2022 11:54:25 GMT 1
If you moan about this, then watch the world cup and any game involving Man City, Newcastle, Barcelona etc then you're a penis. It's neither, or both. Make your stance either way, but stick to it. Hang on. Theres a difference between choosing to play a team and being drawn against a team. I don’t watch Man City or Newcastle and will only watch England games in the World Cup and I’d watch STFC if drawn against either. I certainly wouldn’t voluntarily arrange and promote a game against a Qatar’i team but STFC have hence the discussion.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 29, 2022 11:55:55 GMT 1
If you moan about this, then watch the world cup and any game involving Man City, Newcastle, Barcelona etc then you're a penis. It's neither, or both. Make your stance either way, but stick to it. Hypocritical two faced nonsense of the highest order mon.. Bit harsh on Martinshrew? Take it you’ve got your ticket mon?
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 29, 2022 11:55:59 GMT 1
If you moan about this, then watch the world cup and any game involving Man City, Newcastle, Barcelona etc then you're a penis. It's neither, or both. Make your stance either way, but stick to it. Hang on. Theres a difference between choosing to play a team and being drawn against a team. I don’t watch Man City or Newcastle and will only watch England games in the World Cup and I’d watch STFC if drawn against either. I certainly wouldn’t voluntarily arrange and promote a game against a Qatar’i team but STFC have hence the discussion. England are voluntary playing in Qatar, they don't have to?
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 29, 2022 11:58:02 GMT 1
Hang on. Theres a difference between choosing to play a team and being drawn against a team. I don’t watch Man City or Newcastle and will only watch England games in the World Cup and I’d watch STFC if drawn against either. I certainly wouldn’t voluntarily arrange and promote a game against a Qatar’i team but STFC have hence the discussion. England are voluntary playing in Qatar, they don't have to? Drawn to play. I’m sure you understand the difference. Personally think all teams should have threatened to boycott and forced a back track years ago.
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 29, 2022 12:01:22 GMT 1
England are voluntary playing in Qatar, they don't have to? Drawn to play. I’m sure you understand the difference. Personally think all teams should have threatened to boycott and forced a back track years ago. Incorrect, they aren't forced to play there, therefore voluntary attendance no matter how you dress it up.
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Post by block12massive on Jun 29, 2022 12:02:25 GMT 1
If you moan about this, then watch the world cup and any game involving Man City, Newcastle, Barcelona etc then you're a penis. It's neither, or both. Make your stance either way, but stick to it. Hang on. Theres a difference between choosing to play a team and being drawn against a team. I don’t watch Man City or Newcastle and will only watch England games in the World Cup and I’d watch STFC if drawn against either. I certainly wouldn’t voluntarily arrange and promote a game against a Qatar’i team but STFC have hence the discussion. So morals only go as far as 'luck of the draw' in your opinion? We shouldn't do any business with countries that have questionable human rights records but if it's 'god's will' that we're drawn against Man City or Newcastle in the third round of the FA Cup then 'meh', we'll just turn a blind eye to it all and hope no one notices? And where exactly have you seen Town 'promote' this game, other than the video Brian did last week where he was directly responding to fans questions?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 29, 2022 12:04:34 GMT 1
England are voluntary playing in Qatar, they don't have to? Drawn to play. I’m sure you understand the difference. Personally think all teams should have threatened to boycott and forced a back track years ago. I think Martin makes a valid point. We have seen nations boycott and withdraw from sporting events in the past. I gather England could withdraw from the competition if they so wished.
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Jun 29, 2022 12:14:37 GMT 1
If your uncomfortable with it, don’t attend. But don’t take away the opportunity for people who aren’t offended by it.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 29, 2022 12:20:37 GMT 1
Drawn to play. I’m sure you understand the difference. Personally think all teams should have threatened to boycott and forced a back track years ago. Incorrect, they aren't forced to play there, therefore voluntary attendance no matter how you dress it up. I’m not. Just pointing out the difference.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 29, 2022 12:21:02 GMT 1
Drawn to play. I’m sure you understand the difference. Personally think all teams should have threatened to boycott and forced a back track years ago. I think Martin makes a valid point. We have seen nations boycott and withdraw from sporting events in the past. I gather England could withdraw from the competition if they so wished. I wish we had 👍
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 29, 2022 12:21:40 GMT 1
If your uncomfortable with it, don’t attend. But don’t take away the opportunity for people who aren’t offended by it. What about if it was a Russian Club? Just a question.
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 29, 2022 12:28:59 GMT 1
Incorrect, they aren't forced to play there, therefore voluntary attendance no matter how you dress it up. I’m not. Just pointing out the difference. I disagree, England are voluntarily playing at a World Cup that they're perfectly entitled to not attend. Dress it up how you want. I think the problem here is you wanted England to boycott, but they didn't.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 29, 2022 12:30:02 GMT 1
Drawn to play. I’m sure you understand the difference. Personally think all teams should have threatened to boycott and forced a back track years ago. I think Martin makes a valid point. We have seen nations boycott and withdraw from sporting events in the past. I gather England could withdraw from the competition if they so wished. DC made pretty much the same point with his second sentence.
" Personally think all teams should have threatened to boycott and forced a back track years ago".
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 29, 2022 12:35:48 GMT 1
I think Martin makes a valid point. We have seen nations boycott and withdraw from sporting events in the past. I gather England could withdraw from the competition if they so wished. DC made the pretty much the same point with his second sentence.
" Personally think all teams should have threatened to boycott and forced a back track years ago".
Right. So whether you arrange a friendly game against someone or are drawn against them in a World Cup is a moot point. You're not obliged to play either if don't wish to do so. England could have simply boycotted.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 29, 2022 12:40:23 GMT 1
If your uncomfortable with it, don’t attend. But don’t take away the opportunity for people who aren’t offended by it. What about if it was a Russian Club? Just a question. Qatar, like a lot of places, including, as of last week, the US, have things going on that many people don't like. But they haven't recently trampled all over a sovereign country, committed war crimes, killed another countries civilions, threatened a World War, flattened whole cities, blocked food exports plunging other countries into food poverty, been slow to allow humaitarian efforts to evacuate war torn areas, etc.
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