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Post by dachshund on Jul 18, 2021 13:38:59 GMT 1
There are people who are clinically vulnerable who have no choice but to use those trains.
You’re going to make it more likely that disease spreads on there, and that people with severe stress and anxieties have a more difficult time, not because you need to, but because you are a self-righteous fool.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 18, 2021 13:40:47 GMT 1
I'm sure the abuse levels will go through the roof this next week or two - no matter what side of the fence you sit on.
Me, I will just do what I feel. I've worn masks these last few months in situations that I feel were farcical, well now I wont have to.
I wont abuse anyone for not agreeing with me. And I hope I wont be abused either, though I'm not holding my breath on that side of it.
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Post by Valerioch on Jul 18, 2021 13:42:12 GMT 1
There are people who are clinically vulnerable who have no choice but to use those trains. You’re going to make it more likely that disease spreads on there, and that people with severe stress and anxieties have a more difficult time, not because you need to, but because you are a self-righteous fool. Self-righteous - the irony
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Post by dachshund on Jul 18, 2021 13:47:19 GMT 1
No-one’s coming round your house to interrogate your plans.
There’s a crew of simpletons proclaiming to anyone who’ll listen that they’re not a sheep who’ll wear masks, they’re brave and noble spirits, independent of thought and of deed, who just can’t wait to get out there and start spreading illnesses. Having proclaimed this, it’s time to play the victim as soon as the nonsense is highlighted
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 13:58:56 GMT 1
I recently asked a question on the covid thread about those opposing restrictions and when they would be happy to lift them, I'm going to ask a similar question here. For those who will choose to wear masks, do you have a view of when you will stop? We are told that covid is something we have to live with so does that mean you are planning to wear them indefinitely or until someone tells you, you can stop, whether that is Boris, SAGE, WHO etc?
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 18, 2021 14:00:55 GMT 1
I recently asked a question on the covid thread about those opposing restrictions and when they would be happy to lift them, I'm going to ask a similar question here. For those who will choose to wear masks, do you have a view of when you will stop? We are told that covid is something we have to lift with so does that mean you are planning to wear them indefinitely or until someone tells you, you can stop, whether that is Boris, SAGE, WHO etc? Probably till they die (obviously of something other than covid) at a guess. Borus has already told them
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Post by belfastshrew on Jul 18, 2021 14:03:50 GMT 1
Happy to be a sheep and follow the crowd. When others stop wearing so shall I.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 18, 2021 14:08:09 GMT 1
I shall wear mine until I feel safe in not doing so. I can’t say when that will be because I don’t know what the future will hold. I will certainly,y be waiting to see if there is any adverse effect from the opening up tomorrow,I.e., how high, if any, the rise in numbers will be.
I would certainly want to wait until all younger people than I have had their second jab. We have heard a lot about the sacrifices young people made to keep us older ones safe at the beginning of Covid so I feel obliged to return the compliment if they are now more vulnerable. A lot of them will feel vulnerable if not all.
All the way through I have delayed reducing my restrictions from the date set by this charade of a government and I will not change that.
I certainly won’t be abusing anyone who chooses not to wear a mask but I will be giving them as wide a berth as possible for a while longer.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jul 18, 2021 14:15:34 GMT 1
No-one’s coming round your house to interrogate your plans. There’s a crew of simpletons proclaiming to anyone who’ll listen that they’re not a sheep who’ll wear masks, they’re brave and noble spirits, independent of thought and of deed, who just can’t wait to get out there and start spreading illnesses. Having proclaimed this, it’s time to play the victim as soon as the nonsense is highlighted They're right, they're not sheep; lemmings is a more appropriate description.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 18, 2021 16:07:54 GMT 1
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 18, 2021 16:27:35 GMT 1
Well if anyone was in any doubt which way the abuse would go - there’s your answer 😂 Let me re-phrase - I’ll be following the law Nothing to do with the law anymore its about being part of society if the transport company / store / footy club ask you to wear a mask and you choose not to your just being selfish ' lacking consideration for other people; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 16:30:54 GMT 1
Probably till they die (obviously of something other than covid) at a guess. Borus has already told them Yep quite possibly. Doesn’t hurt me or anyone else so my conscience will be clear. Hardly a massive inconvenience to me either. I have no beef with people who don’t want to. Up to you! Frankly as long as I can queue 5 deep to buy a drink then I’m happy👍
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Post by shrewder on Jul 18, 2021 16:36:07 GMT 1
Well if anyone was in any doubt which way the abuse would go - there’s your answer 😂 Let me re-phrase - I’ll be following the law Nothing to do with the law anymore its about being part of society if the transport company / store / footy club ask you to wear a mask and you choose not to your just being selfish ' lacking consideration for other people; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure. If the cases keep rising at the rate they are and hospital admissions and start escalating, then this will become a non issue. Masks will again become compulsory and lockdown will loom over the country again. I remember in the early days of the virus many believed vaccines would quickly sort thing out and we would soon be back to normal. I know some see tomorrow as freedom day , the reality is we are still a long way from freedom.
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Post by londonshrew75 on Jul 18, 2021 17:10:29 GMT 1
Ditch the mask. We have to learn to live with this and if governments are going to continually look at the same data the scare mongering will never end. We have wasted thirty five billion on an app that basically was floored from day one, that actually makes things worse. What's gone on in Australia New Zealand and Taiwan is proof now that you can't bring a country to a virtual stand still and hope that this will disappear.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 18, 2021 17:40:57 GMT 1
Ditch the mask. We have to learn to live with this and if governments are going to continually look at the same data the scare mongering will never end. We have wasted thirty five billion on an app that basically was floored from day one, that actually makes things worse. What's gone on in Australia New Zealand and Taiwan is proof now that you can't bring a country to a virtual stand still and hope that this will disappear. Is there any way I could "like" this post twice?? 🙂
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Post by Pilch on Jul 18, 2021 17:45:18 GMT 1
I know I speak b******s on here most of the time, but occasionally someone makes me look like Nostradamus Masks are an absolute charade the way they are used in this country. I’ll be shopping and using the trains this week, and plan on not wearing a mask Well if anyone was in any doubt which way the abuse would go - there’s your answer 😂 Let me re-phrase - I’ll be following the law you are spot on, but equally there will be a minority of unmasked people who take up the hobby of intimidating those still wearing masks, just for a laugh some people have moaned about the instructions all day every day simply because they didnt suit them and before the instructions change to suit them they now focus their attention on moaning at those who the instructions might not suit, hypocritical to say the least some people are revving their R number up like a motor cross scrambler about to race around a crowded street and the only concern is if anyone dares to complain about them, they also know some people will get hurt, some could die, they still dont care
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Post by Valerioch on Jul 18, 2021 17:54:10 GMT 1
Only most of the time?
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Post by Pilch on Jul 18, 2021 18:03:36 GMT 1
I'm not sure exactly, but its clearly not all of the time as I've just proved with your help
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jul 18, 2021 18:42:49 GMT 1
Ditch the mask. We have to learn to live with this and if governments are going to continually look at the same data the scare mongering will never end. We have wasted thirty five billion on an app that basically was floored from day one, that actually makes things worse. What's gone on in Australia New Zealand and Taiwan is proof now that you can't bring a country to a virtual stand still and hope that this will disappear. Isn't trying to get back to normal but wearing a mask in certain situations "learning to live with it" though? What you're describing sounds more like "burying your head in the sand and pretending it's not happening".
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Post by Pilch on Jul 18, 2021 18:47:52 GMT 1
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 18, 2021 18:50:31 GMT 1
Ditch the mask. We have to learn to live with this and if governments are going to continually look at the same data the scare mongering will never end. We have wasted thirty five billion on an app that basically was floored from day one, that actually makes things worse. What's gone on in Australia New Zealand and Taiwan is proof now that you can't bring a country to a virtual stand still and hope that this will disappear. Isn't trying to get back to normal but wearing a mask in certain situations "learning to live with it" though? What you're describing sounds more like "burying your head in the sand and pretending it's not happening". That’s what I thought about mask wearing it is part of learning to live with it. As I said earlier, I’ve just listened to the SC interviews about his experiences. The last question put to him was about the fans and his last reply was for us to take care of ourselves and of others. That’s good enough for me. He’s not talking hypothetically, he’s talking from experience.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 18, 2021 19:04:37 GMT 1
- If a place still insists on customers wearing a mask tomorrow, I will wear one. - If a place advises their customers to continue wearing masks, I’ll make a judgement call based on how busy it is etc. - If a place leaves it entirely up to customer discretion, I almost certainly don’t wear one.
Won’t be looking for trouble or arguments out and about over it, but it’ll be nice to at least be given that personal choice back.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 18, 2021 19:06:59 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Jul 18, 2021 19:08:34 GMT 1
- If a place advises their customers to continue wearing masks, I’ll make a judgement call based on how busy it is etc. Won’t be looking for trouble or arguments out and about over it, but it’ll be nice to at least be given that personal choice back. thats really considerate of you only to infect people in small numbers or maybe you mean you'll take you're mask off if its packed hard to tell
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 18, 2021 19:38:46 GMT 1
- If a place advises their customers to continue wearing masks, I’ll make a judgement call based on how busy it is etc. Won’t be looking for trouble or arguments out and about over it, but it’ll be nice to at least be given that personal choice back. thats really considerate of you only to infect people in small numbers or maybe you mean you'll take you're mask off if its packed hard to tell I’ll just be following the rules, as I have done throughout. I look forward to being called me a covidiot or murderer from yourself every time you choose to reply to one of my posts in the future 👍
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Post by Pilch on Jul 18, 2021 19:45:11 GMT 1
thats really considerate of you only to infect people in small numbers or maybe you mean you'll take you're mask off if its packed hard to tell I’ll just be following the rules, as I have done throughout. I look forward to being called me a covidiot or murderer from yourself every time you choose to reply to one of my posts in the future 👍 at least its on your conscience already, sleep on it and maybe re-consider in the morning
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Post by belfastshrew on Jul 18, 2021 19:56:05 GMT 1
- If a place still insists on customers wearing a mask tomorrow, I will wear one. - If a place advises their customers to continue wearing masks, I’ll make a judgement call based on how busy it is etc. - If a place leaves it entirely up to customer discretion, I almost certainly don’t wear one. Won’t be looking for trouble or arguments out and about over it, but it’ll be nice to at least be given that personal choice back. A level-headed approach. I will adopt the same process on my travels.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 20:23:46 GMT 1
The government had a roadmap to normality/freedom or whatever you want to call it and the final step was to remove all restrictions. That is now going ahead so is anyone surprised that some people are saying that they are going along with that..... even after the gov't said 'oh actually we want you to still do the same things we have been ordering you to do for the last 18 months? Like I said on the covid thread, they really have played a blinder as instead of people moaning at them, people are arguing amongst ourselves and moaning about businesses trying to implement the guidance. Talk about divide & conquer.
As for being selfish, like I've mentioned already, there are some people who wear a mask and it thinks it gives them protection & it protects others from them, the reality is wearing a mask is one measure, action or behaviour but in some peoples eyes all they need to do is wear a mask. I may not necessarily wear a mask but when in a shop I'll look with my eyes and not pick up things and put back, if I see a crowded aisle I'll wait or go elsewhere rather than barge past, if I see someone looking at a section of the aisle I want I'll stand back and wait for them to finish rather than leaning across them, if I've touched something in a public space I'll wash/sanitise my hands before I go elsewhere and touch other peoples property, if I'm in a pub/cafe/restaurant and I need to walk somewhere I'll take the route that takes me past the least people rather than walking between tables, if I see someone I know I won't walk over to them to have a chat and invade their space, if I'm on public transport then I'll generally try and sit as far away as possible from people (particularly elderly people), if I'm walking or running and see people walking towards me I'll try and cross the road, walk/run on the road or wait somewhere for them to come past on, again particularly if they are elderly and always when I'm running. There's lots more I could probably add, to me these are a lot of basic common sense/acts of courtesy whether in a pandemic or not but they would certainly reduce the chances of spreading covid, I'm sure many on the board do the same, however I see lots of people not doing these but will be more than happy to lecture people on being selfish for not wearing a mask.
Of course a mask will help (if worn properly) but it also lulls some people into a false sense of security
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 18, 2021 20:24:02 GMT 1
- If a place still insists on customers wearing a mask tomorrow, I will wear one. - If a place advises their customers to continue wearing masks, I’ll make a judgement call based on how busy it is etc. - If a place leaves it entirely up to customer discretion, I almost certainly don’t wear one. Won’t be looking for trouble or arguments out and about over it, but it’ll be nice to at least be given that personal choice back. On your first point - how long will you put up with being told what to do?? I just think there is getting more and more of the population that are ready to move this virus forward, ie stop listening to the same stuff week in week out and deciding what to do for themselves. I can only see those number increasing tbh.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 18, 2021 20:29:57 GMT 1
- If a place still insists on customers wearing a mask tomorrow, I will wear one. - If a place advises their customers to continue wearing masks, I’ll make a judgement call based on how busy it is etc. - If a place leaves it entirely up to customer discretion, I almost certainly don’t wear one. Won’t be looking for trouble or arguments out and about over it, but it’ll be nice to at least be given that personal choice back. On your first point - how long will you put up with being told what to do?? I just think there is getting more and more of the population that are ready to move this virus forward, ie stop listening to the same stuff week in week out and deciding what to do for themselves. I can only see those number increasing tbh. If I go to do my weekly shop and the supermarket says you must still wear a face mask or they won’t let you in, I will reluctantly put one on. If as another example STFC said you must wear a facemask in the concourses, then I also reluctantly would. I don’t want to cut off my nose to spite my face.
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