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Post by frankwellshrews on Jul 18, 2021 10:16:28 GMT 1
My last bit of complicity might have just gone out the window. Boris and Sunak both told to isolate but both conveniently choose to instead start a pilot scheme where testing means you avoid isolation. Just like Michael Gove when he went to the champions league final. Goodbye track and trace app for me, the amount of bother it caused my workplace when I had Covid was insane. Barnard castle version 2. Millions of others will be thinking the same, which is obviously the point of all this, as is Javid's statement about his symptoms being "very mild". This is Boris and co telling you to get out and about and spread the virus around so we can get this wave out of the way before winter, safe in the knowledge sufficient people don't care what he wants and will continue to exercise caution to stop it getting too out of hand. Freedom Day was a classic, very clever bit of sleight of hand as it turns out; have everybody's attention fixed on an arbitrary date in the future, meanwhile we've had 60k at Wembley and countless millions in pubs and living rooms mingling for the euros. The 3rd wave is underway; nothing that does or doesn't happen on Freedom Day will change that now. What might impact it is the government's use of mixed messaging, which it's become increasingly obvious throughout the pandemic is their preferred way of achieving their aims. Boris and the politicians appeal to their voter base with their strongman "no fear" antics, Chris Whitty sounds a note of caution for the rest who stopped paying attention to anything Boris or his party says on the pandemic months ago. The notorious app is still out there pinging people by the million (1.6m last week I read somewhere) and the government's ever changing traffic light system is also there to get people to quarantine, meanwhile businesses like the one I work for where work can be done remotely are also deferring a "big bang" return to the office till autumn. The end result is a kind of lockdown by proxy; get people who don't care any more "through the system", with the more cautious and compliant still following "the rules" and acting as a pressure valve, stopping the flow of cases becoming a torrent. This way Boris clearly thinks he can navigate the months ahead without calling another official lockdown. It's a bold strategy and one which encapsulates the absolute contempt with which the conservative party treats rank and file followers. If you're out there burning your mask like it's a political statement or working in an industry dominated by those with conservative leanings and being forced back to work you are basically cannon fodder at this point, first wave out of the trenches whilst the more cautious (you know, the "globalists" with their university degrees and financial services jobs who were meant to have been given a bloody nose by brexit but instead have seen the value of their home soar, wages and conditions improve) sit tight in their home office still to see what happens. Something to think about when you're "backing Britain" and showing how unafraid you are. A lot of people are basically expendable (and that includes all the healthcare workers with no choice but to get in the middle of this) to this government but you still have a choice not to put yourself in harm's way.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 18, 2021 10:24:51 GMT 1
The mask is not to protect the wearer, it is supposed to prevent the wearer transmitting the virus to someone else. That was how it was explained to me . 50% protection for you 80% for others
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jul 18, 2021 10:26:11 GMT 1
we'll continue masking in shops and other crowded places. Not that I believe it does any good for one moment. The number of people who've obeyed the mask wearing to the letter and still caught covid shows that. But if it gives others in my company some peace of mind, I'm quite prepared to play along.
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Post by salop18 on Jul 18, 2021 10:27:53 GMT 1
Whether restrictions end tomorrow, next month, next year, 5 years time, 10 years time… it doesn’t matter!! Coronavirus will still be here, however, those old lads might not be. Why spend the last years of your life merely just existing and NOT living doing the things you want to do? Everybody’s lost 16 months of their lives from this absolute bulls**t and it’s time we moved on now. It’s not going anywhere no matter how long people stay at home cowering under the stairs. If people want to continue to wear masks then that’s entirely up to that individual, no issues. If people want to keep social distancing and avoid large crowds and avoid unimportant travelling out then again, crack on and do you. What annoys me are people like you. Trying to put others down because they enjoy something a bit different to you. The definition of fun police. Genuine question. Who really enjoys queuing at a bar to be served? I don’t enjoy queuing at the bar, but I do enjoy standing and socialising at the bar to sitting down and not being able to go up and start a conversation with who I want at the pub. Bit like football really, I’ll never go to a football match and sit down to watch the game. Even at all seater stadiums, I’ll just stand at the back. I’ll never understand why some folk enjoy train spotting but some do. We all enjoy different things in life.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 18, 2021 10:33:10 GMT 1
Whether restrictions end tomorrow, next month, next year, 5 years time, 10 years time… it doesn’t matter!! Coronavirus will still be here, however, those old lads might not be. Why spend the last years of your life merely just existing and NOT living doing the things you want to do? Everybody’s lost 16 months of their lives from this absolute bulls**t and it’s time we moved on now. It’s not going anywhere no matter how long people stay at home cowering under the stairs. If people want to continue to wear masks then that’s entirely up to that individual, no issues. If people want to keep social distancing and avoid large crowds and avoid unimportant travelling out then again, crack on and do you. What annoys me are people like you. Trying to put others down because they enjoy something a bit different to you. The definition of fun police. Genuine question. Who really enjoys queuing at a bar to be served? unless you are a one man drink then I find it not so much fun, having to ask what ales are on, and then ask for a description/ colour and strength etc , usually from someone who doesn't know, and then ask whats on the top shelf apart from the bog standard bottles its a bit like going for a meal without a menu, and then asking what they have got when the waiter turns up I think the term "queuing at the bar" with the word queueing to make it sound worst makes us think of maybe the power bar before a game now imagine if the same amount of people were in there and it was table service , or standing service as it would have to be it simply would not work, it only currently works as the pubs are sparse due to number limitations, and even then its real slow
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 18, 2021 10:34:17 GMT 1
Genuine question. Who really enjoys queuing at a bar to be served? I don’t enjoy queuing at the bar, but I do enjoy standing and socialising at the bar to sitting down and not being able to go up and start a conversation with who I want at the pub. Bit like football really, I’ll never go to a football match and sit down to watch the game. Even at all seater stadiums, I’ll just stand at the back. I’ll never understand why some folk enjoy train spotting but some do. We all enjoy different things in life. Train spotting’s legal standing in an all seater stadiums not but hey your happy sod everyone else 👍
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Post by salop18 on Jul 18, 2021 10:39:41 GMT 1
I don’t enjoy queuing at the bar, but I do enjoy standing and socialising at the bar to sitting down and not being able to go up and start a conversation with who I want at the pub. Bit like football really, I’ll never go to a football match and sit down to watch the game. Even at all seater stadiums, I’ll just stand at the back. I’ll never understand why some folk enjoy train spotting but some do. We all enjoy different things in life. Train spotting’s legal standing in an all seater stadiums not but hey your happy sod everyone else 👍 WRONG. The law states that football clubs in the top two divisions of English football should provide seats for spectators to sit on, NOT that supporters actually do sit on them 👍
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Post by Pilch on Jul 18, 2021 10:43:43 GMT 1
Train spotting’s legal standing in an all seater stadiums not but hey your happy sod everyone else 👍 WRONG. The law states that football clubs in the top two divisions of English football should provide seats for spectators to sit on, NOT that supporters actually do sit on them 👍 WRONG Shrewsbury Town ground regulations 13 Nobody may stand in any seating area whilst play is in progress, unless the area is a designated safe standing area. Persistent standing in seated areas (other than designated safe standing areas) whilst play is in progress is strictly forbidden and may result in ejection from the Ground.
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Post by salop18 on Jul 18, 2021 10:47:08 GMT 1
WRONG. The law states that football clubs in the top two divisions of English football should provide seats for spectators to sit on, NOT that supporters actually do sit on them 👍 WRONG Shrewsbury Town ground regulations 13 Nobody may stand in any seating area whilst play is in progress, unless the area is a designated safe standing area. Persistent standing in seated areas (other than designated safe standing areas) whilst play is in progress is strictly forbidden and may result in ejection from the Ground. But that’s not a criminal offence, is it. It’s a civil offence where yes you can get ejected from a stadium (not that any club enforces that these days unless you’re stood at the front of the stand), but you can’t be arrested for it, therefore it is legal and you’re not breaking CRIMINAL law.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 18, 2021 10:47:24 GMT 1
The mask is not to protect the wearer, it is supposed to prevent the wearer transmitting the virus to someone else. That was how it was explained to me . 50% protection for you 80% for others If worn properly and securely, either washed or disposed of each time it goes on or off etc. The way the vast majority of people wear masks in this country makes me thing they’re more of a symbolic gesture than making huge strides for the safety of the population. People shove them in and out of their pockets, chuck them on the table, reuse them over and over again, readjust them by touching them constantly, in many instances who can say they’re doing any good. Found myself in Birmingham during the week and it was quite alarming how many people had already ditched the masks, people of all ages, genders and colours walking through New Street station, I felt like the odd one out for wearing one. I can imagine a sleepy place like Shropshire being far more conservative about it with more continuing to wear masks than many other places in the country.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 18, 2021 10:53:59 GMT 1
WRONG Shrewsbury Town ground regulations 13 Nobody may stand in any seating area whilst play is in progress, unless the area is a designated safe standing area. Persistent standing in seated areas (other than designated safe standing areas) whilst play is in progress is strictly forbidden and may result in ejection from the Ground. But that’s not a criminal offence, is it. It’s a civil offence where yes you can get ejected from a stadium (not that any club enforces that these days unless you’re stood at the front of the stand), but you can’t be arrested for it, therefore it is legal and you’re not breaking CRIMINAL law. maybe quote the Magna Carta as they hurl you out of the ground
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Post by salop18 on Jul 18, 2021 10:55:53 GMT 1
But that’s not a criminal offence, is it. It’s a civil offence where yes you can get ejected from a stadium (not that any club enforces that these days unless you’re stood at the front of the stand), but you can’t be arrested for it, therefore it is legal and you’re not breaking CRIMINAL law. maybe quote the Magna Carta as they hurl you out of the ground I’m just stating facts, Pilch. It’s not a criminal offence, is it?
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Post by darkshrew on Jul 18, 2021 11:04:07 GMT 1
The government admitted that their previous reluctance to advocate mask wearing was to protect supplies of masks to the NHS; there is clear evidence that masks stop the spread.
You wear a mask to protect other people rather than yourself - in today's society telling people that it is up to them will reveal just how selfish we have become as a nation and is tantamount to saying do not bother any more.
Wearing a mask is such a small inconvenience it beggars belief that we would stop mandating it. Even if it would spare just one life when the virus is spreading so quickly then surely it is worth it ?
Boris has caved in to pressure from the libertarians - why they feel that it is such an imposition to wear a mask is beyond me.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 18, 2021 11:05:42 GMT 1
maybe quote the Magna Carta as they hurl you out of the ground I’m just stating facts, Pilch. It’s not a criminal offence, is it? I never claimed it was criminal, I said its against the rules I was thinking of walking around the west stand selling ice cream and playing loud ice cream jingles on my ghetto blaster. ;-)
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Post by salop18 on Jul 18, 2021 11:09:17 GMT 1
I’m just stating facts, Pilch. It’s not a criminal offence, is it? I never claimed it was criminal, I said its against the rules I was thinking of walking around the west stand selling ice cream and playing loud ice cream jingles on my ghetto blaster. ;-) You put, “WRONG” when you quoted my post yet it wasn’t, was it. What I stated was factual. So you claimed I was wrong, did you not?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 11:18:25 GMT 1
Johnson and Sunak have caved under pressure and will isolate. Another example of not really knowing what they are doing or trying to do what they can get away with.
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Post by armchairfan on Jul 18, 2021 11:20:39 GMT 1
I can't go along with the "political correctness" notion at all, but it really is a question as to whether we should continue to live our lives in a state of constant fear....I do not, and will not; what others choose to do is up to them, and I will not engage negatively with those who continue to wear masks....I hope my choice is met with the same respect. This isn't the question at all though and (somewhat predictably) you're falling into the trap of (or deliberately) framing this as some sort of political or cultural choice. The real question is " does it make sense to continue to wear masks in some circumstances given the prevalence of a highly infectious and potentially deadly virus?" and the answer is "yes". I really don't give a toss if you're unafraid and neither does the virus. I'm double vaccinated and more than happy to take a common sense approach in well ventilated, non crowded spaces but if I find myself stuck opposite you on a crowded train I'd like you to wear a mask because your lack of fear doesn't make you any less likely to transmit the disease to me or someone else but a mask might. Similarly, I'm happy to go through the minor inconvenience of briefly wearing a mask in a shop if that'swhat the staff who have to be in that space with dozens of strangers all day want me to do. My one hope in all this is that people will be flexible and see this situation for what it is not an opportunity to make a tedious political point but I'm rapidly losing faith in that happening. I wasn't aware that I was making a "tedious political point" at all, merely expressing an opinion to the OP....I do not see politics in everything I think do or say! Your choice of words ("I don't give a toss about....") betrays your sanctimony - and only YOUR opinion matters - sanctimonious individuals are always on the right side of a debate, aren't they.... It is that very superiority complex which I find to be so disturbing.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 18, 2021 11:25:05 GMT 1
I never claimed it was criminal, I said its against the rules I was thinking of walking around the west stand selling ice cream and playing loud ice cream jingles on my ghetto blaster. ;-) You put, “WRONG” when you quoted my post yet it wasn’t, was it. What I stated was factual. So you claimed I was wrong, did you not? you were making it sound like its ok to stand at football games and no one could do anything about it clearly wrong as I pointed out enough said
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 18, 2021 11:30:05 GMT 1
Johnson and Sunak have caved under pressure and will isolate. Another example of not really knowing what they are doing or doing what they can get away with. Honestly, you couldn’t put it in Yes Minster - people wouldn’t believe it. What a right bunch they are!
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 18, 2021 12:28:22 GMT 1
Whether restrictions end tomorrow, next month, next year, 5 years time, 10 years time… it doesn’t matter!! Coronavirus will still be here, however, those old lads might not be. Why spend the last years of your life merely just existing and NOT living doing the things you want to do? Everybody’s lost 16 months of their lives from this absolute bulls**t and it’s time we moved on now. It’s not going anywhere no matter how long people stay at home cowering under the stairs. If people want to continue to wear masks then that’s entirely up to that individual, no issues. If people want to keep social distancing and avoid large crowds and avoid unimportant travelling out then again, crack on and do you. What annoys me are people like you. Trying to put others down because they enjoy something a bit different to you. The definition of fun police. Genuine question. Who really enjoys queuing at a bar to be served? After the last 18 months I'm genuinely looking forward to it. If it takes 10/15 mins to get served because the queue is so big then so be it. Will be great to have the banter with those stuck there with me. I doubt there will be huge queues though tbh.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 18, 2021 12:32:59 GMT 1
I hope bars continue to offer table services, and if they have an app/QR code even better, however bar service does have an appeal to some which I also understand. There’s no reason places can’t offer both.
The pandemic has provided an opportunity for improvements in both convenience/service and basic hygiene standards, even if the threat of Covid was completely gone it would be foolish to disregard everything and go back entirely as things were.
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Post by belfastshrew on Jul 18, 2021 12:57:46 GMT 1
Currently at Chester train station and 90% are not wearing masks. 90% were wearing masks on Friday here. Amazing what difference two days can make eh! It is stupidly hot to be fair and no aircon in the trains I have been on. Most of the staff aren't wearing either.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 18, 2021 12:59:50 GMT 1
How many scan every QR code for each venue or shop they visit? No one.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jul 18, 2021 13:01:57 GMT 1
No. I will be sticking to a mask in shops, crowds or on public transport. If either is too crowded I will avoid.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 18, 2021 13:05:30 GMT 1
I have literally just listened to the SC Interviews. If anyone is in any doubt about being careful these should be compulsory listening.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 18, 2021 13:10:51 GMT 1
How many scan every QR code for each venue or shop they visit? No one. I've never done it, dont usually take my phone out with me so I've never downloaded it (saves me having to delete it now).
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Post by dachshund on Jul 18, 2021 13:14:22 GMT 1
Buzzing for my heavily pregnant partner to catch covid on her way to and from hospital appointments because morons believe not wearing a mask makes them clever, cool untamable spirits.
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Post by Valerioch on Jul 18, 2021 13:35:05 GMT 1
Masks are an absolute charade the way they are used in this country.
I’ll be shopping and using the trains this week, and plan on not wearing a mask
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Post by dachshund on Jul 18, 2021 13:35:34 GMT 1
Masks are an absolute charade the way they are used in this country. I’ll be shopping and using the trains this week, and plan on not wearing a mask You’re a bell-end. Pure and simple.
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Post by Valerioch on Jul 18, 2021 13:36:52 GMT 1
Well if anyone was in any doubt which way the abuse would go - there’s your answer 😂
Let me re-phrase - I’ll be following the law
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