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Post by jacksdad on Jul 17, 2021 15:39:23 GMT 1
Clearly it’s personal choice and responsibility as to whether anyone decides to wear a mask or not after Monday. I hate them but have always worn one when required and I understand peoples’ frustration at having to wear one when entering a pub and then taking it off to drink. However, I would stress caution to everyone out there because Covid is still very much circulating in the population and spreading with increased speed.
I’m 53, fit and active, not over weight, non-smoker and have had both doses of the AZ vaccine. I tested positive for Covid on Wednesday and it has absolutely floored me! I couldn’t get out of bed for 2 days, God only knows what it would have been like if I hadn’t been vaccinated. I’m still very jaded and not able to do much but seem to be slowly improving.
Everyone can and should make their own choices but I’d urge everyone to be careful and exercise some thought not just for themselves but also for those around them because people are still going to die from this virus. Stay safe!
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Post by Pilch on Jul 17, 2021 15:40:13 GMT 1
Big 👍👍👍for my local Co OP. Just been in and they have already taken the Facemasks signs down. They will continue getting my custom and I told them as much. doesn't surprise me, coop didnt take covid seriously in my last experience there, I stood socially distanced in the queue using the floor stickers and whilst waiting 3 or 4 staff members the short cut in between me and the customer in front
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 17, 2021 15:42:22 GMT 1
Big 👍👍👍for my local Co OP. Just been in and they have already taken the Facemasks signs down. They will continue getting my custom and I told them as much. doesn't surprise me, coop didnt take covid seriously in my last experience there, I stood socially distanced in the queue using the floor stickers and whilst waiting 3 or 4 staff members the short cut in between me and the customer in front We all need to get used to it, only going to get worse.....erm I mean better, er more like old normal. Dont know what you actually call it these days
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 17, 2021 16:05:30 GMT 1
Clearly it’s personal choice and responsibility as to whether anyone decides to wear a mask or not after Monday. I hate them but have always worn one when required and I understand peoples’ frustration at having to wear one when entering a pub and then taking it off to drink. However, I would stress caution to everyone out there because Covid is still very much circulating in the population and spreading with increased speed. I’m 53, fit and active, not over weight, non-smoker and have had both doses of the AZ vaccine. I tested positive for Covid on Wednesday and it has absolutely floored me! I couldn’t get out of bed for 2 days, God only knows what it would have been like if I hadn’t been vaccinated. I’m still very jaded and not able to do much but seem to be slowly improving. Everyone can and should make their own choices but I’d urge everyone to be careful and exercise some thought not just for themselves but also for those around them because people are still going to die from this virus. Stay safe! Hope you are beginning to feel better now.
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Post by jacksdad on Jul 17, 2021 16:13:38 GMT 1
Clearly it’s personal choice and responsibility as to whether anyone decides to wear a mask or not after Monday. I hate them but have always worn one when required and I understand peoples’ frustration at having to wear one when entering a pub and then taking it off to drink. However, I would stress caution to everyone out there because Covid is still very much circulating in the population and spreading with increased speed. I’m 53, fit and active, not over weight, non-smoker and have had both doses of the AZ vaccine. I tested positive for Covid on Wednesday and it has absolutely floored me! I couldn’t get out of bed for 2 days, God only knows what it would have been like if I hadn’t been vaccinated. I’m still very jaded and not able to do much but seem to be slowly improving. Everyone can and should make their own choices but I’d urge everyone to be careful and exercise some thought not just for themselves but also for those around them because people are still going to die from this virus. Stay safe! Hope you are beginning to feel better now. Thank you. I’m slowly getting there!
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Post by Pilch on Jul 17, 2021 16:16:37 GMT 1
doesn't surprise me, coop didnt take covid seriously in my last experience there, I stood socially distanced in the queue using the floor stickers and whilst waiting 3 or 4 staff members the short cut in between me and the customer in front We all need to get used to it, only going to get worse.....erm I mean better, er more like old normal. Dont know what you actually call it these days as far as my office goes, there were 50 off this morning, and as I was leaving I hear at least a dozen got pinged during the day, I think taking masks off will hit many business's hard with staff off isolating
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jul 17, 2021 16:36:38 GMT 1
As to what may, or may not, be the real question, we clearly have different opinions, but you are right on one score at least - it IS a matter of choice, and long may it be so. Trouble with this "iT's My ChOiCe" argument is it ignores the choice of the person stood with their face inches from yours on a rush hour train. I suggest travelling and shopping at less busy times as a compromise.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 17, 2021 16:36:45 GMT 1
Hope you are beginning to feel better now. Thank you. I’m slowly getting there! Good news. Slowly is better anyway. It’s no good racing to be fit at all.
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Post by shrewder on Jul 17, 2021 16:52:34 GMT 1
As to what may, or may not, be the real question, we clearly have different opinions, but you are right on one score at least - it IS a matter of choice, and long may it be so. Trouble with this "iT's My ChOiCe" argument is it ignores the choice of the person stood with their face inches from yours on a rush hour train. I suggest travelling and shopping at less busy times as a compromise. Really good point. The fact that you could harm others if you have Covid and not aware of it, is a very convincing argument to continue wearing a mask.
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 17, 2021 17:09:05 GMT 1
Do wonder why he’s keeping the protective screens and asking folk to use table service when possible if all’s OK?
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 17, 2021 17:16:54 GMT 1
Do wonder why he’s keeping the protective screens and asking folk to use table service when possible if all’s OK? Sure table service will remain for quite some time yet, it has long been done when you are being served food as well and whilst abroad. Just as long as there is a choice to order at the bar as well.
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Post by shrewshrew on Jul 17, 2021 17:56:21 GMT 1
Clearly it’s personal choice and responsibility as to whether anyone decides to wear a mask or not after Monday. I hate them but have always worn one when required and I understand peoples’ frustration at having to wear one when entering a pub and then taking it off to drink. However, I would stress caution to everyone out there because Covid is still very much circulating in the population and spreading with increased speed. I’m 53, fit and active, not over weight, non-smoker and have had both doses of the AZ vaccine. I tested positive for Covid on Wednesday and it has absolutely floored me! I couldn’t get out of bed for 2 days, God only knows what it would have been like if I hadn’t been vaccinated. I’m still very jaded and not able to do much but seem to be slowly improving. Everyone can and should make their own choices but I’d urge everyone to be careful and exercise some thought not just for themselves but also for those around them because people are still going to die from this virus. Stay safe! I will be carrying on with current guidelines and using a mask when I think the risk is higher. The above post highlights how important it is to adopt a common sense approach and avoid a cavalier attitude. Think of others as well as yourself. Keep safe everyone!
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Post by wakemanender on Jul 17, 2021 18:08:24 GMT 1
Worth remembering that if you are going for your jab sometime in the next few weeks you will still need your mask and be required to social distance. No mask, no jab.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 17, 2021 18:25:17 GMT 1
Worth remembering that if you are going for your jab sometime in the next few weeks you will still need your mask and be required to social distance. No mask, no jab. Well I guess that's classed as healthcare, all healthcare appointments you are still expected to wear a mask.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 17, 2021 18:43:19 GMT 1
I’ll continue to wear mine where appropriate out of consideration for staff in shops, restaurants etc. I may not be in them for long but the staff are there all day having to put up with selfish clowns who think COVID has gone away.
Wearing a mask is a very minor inconvenience compared with passing a nasty disease to a person who has no choice about who breathes on them.
I find it most ironic that mask wearing is treated as though a fundamental freedom is being removed while Pughey’s thread about the police bill aroused almost no interest.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Jul 17, 2021 20:06:29 GMT 1
Time and a place I guess. I'm looking forward to using my judgement. At work, if I walk to the printer etc I'm currently expected to wear one, and I'd like to be able to use my discretion. It seems to me that caution should be the watchword while we see how things develop so after so many months of sacrifice and hard work I suspect I'll keep wearing mine in crowded indoor places for a while longer until I know how successful the unlocking has been.
The worst thing that could happen is further lockdowns, and the problem with Boris is he's lining things up carefully to blame the public for further restrictions, classic political maneuvering. Offer us some ostensible 'freedom' and 'trust' us to be careful, because then he can impose restrictions by blaming us for not taking responsibility and for acting like idiots.
So, be careful please guys, think about others in crowded spaces, and let's see if we can't beat this cr@p.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 20:28:50 GMT 1
Oh god how I’ve missed queuing at a bar. Have no idea how I made it through if I’m honest without it. I mean, what kind of idiot wants to sit comfortably and be served when they can wrestle their way through a crowd of like minded comrades. Makes me go all moist just thinking about it!.
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 17, 2021 21:04:49 GMT 1
Oh god how I’ve missed queuing at a bar. Have no idea how I made it through if I’m honest without it. I mean, what kind of idiot wants to sit comfortably and be served when they can wrestle their way through a crowd of like minded comrades. Makes me go all moist just thinking about it!. You don't really get it, it's a British tradition that has been in place 100s of years. The pub I frequent very regular is full of old boys, old boys who's wives have passed away and they come out to have a beer but 90% of it is sitting at the bar, watching the racing and socialising with other like-minded people. It's keeps them going, it's pretty much their only social interaction. You can argue that they can talk table to table but it's just not the same.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 17, 2021 22:35:25 GMT 1
Rather fitting that Sajid Javid, the Health Sectretary, has tested positive and will now be self isolating on "freedom" day. I wonder how many others in government that he has been working with (or playing with if anything like the last Health Secretary) will also be self isolating by Monday?
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 17, 2021 22:36:34 GMT 1
And will we notice they are missing?!
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Post by Exkeeper on Jul 17, 2021 23:10:59 GMT 1
Tesco, Asda, Morrison’s and Sainsburys are going to continue to encourage customers and staff to wear face masks. All travellers on Trains for Wales will be expected to wear masks even when over the border in England.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 6:35:53 GMT 1
Oh god how I’ve missed queuing at a bar. Have no idea how I made it through if I’m honest without it. I mean, what kind of idiot wants to sit comfortably and be served when they can wrestle their way through a crowd of like minded comrades. Makes me go all moist just thinking about it!. At times I've enjoyed table service and when it works you wonder why we would ever want to have to queue at the bar, the problem is not every place is set up for it. Some places you can be sitting there for ages waiting to catch the eye of a member of staff and there's been a few places I've walked out of because of the wait. Then you have places that you can order via the app, thats fine if the connection is ok but Shrewsbury can be hit & miss so you can spend ages trying to order (as happened to me last week). Additionally an app doesn't necessarily everything they have available on that day. I can understand the argument of sitting at a table ordering is a lot more appealing than queuing ten deep at a busy bar but the reality is the latter is rare and most times you go into a pub, you are straight at the bar. The absurd nature of the whole thing was summed up last week, I was in a pub with a friend in town, it was early and we were the only ones in there, we were shown to our seats in the window and told to order via the app. We probably spent 10 minutes registering/ordering, whilst the barman was in stood in sight waiting for our order.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 6:50:51 GMT 1
My issue with wearing the mask (other than the holier than thou attitude some people seem to have) is people think it makes them immune. I've been shopping throughout the pandemic and the amount of people who wear a mask but then invade space and lean across me or others, a mask is just one element of covid measures and social distancing seems to be forgotten by some people because they have a mask across their face. I see a member of SAGE has come out and questioned the effectiveness of them and has said they are a safety blanket for the country and I think the latter rings true.
Personally, I will have a mask on me and then decide on a situation by situation basis but my default stance would not to wear one.
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Post by Exkeeper on Jul 18, 2021 8:52:19 GMT 1
The mask is not to protect the wearer, it is supposed to prevent the wearer transmitting the virus to someone else. That was how it was explained to me .
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jul 18, 2021 9:01:10 GMT 1
My last bit of complicity might have just gone out the window. Boris and Sunak both told to isolate but both conveniently choose to instead start a pilot scheme where testing means you avoid isolation. Just like Michael Gove when he went to the champions league final. Goodbye track and trace app for me, the amount of bother it caused my workplace when I had Covid was insane. Barnard castle version 2.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 9:13:37 GMT 1
Oh god how I’ve missed queuing at a bar. Have no idea how I made it through if I’m honest without it. I mean, what kind of idiot wants to sit comfortably and be served when they can wrestle their way through a crowd of like minded comrades. Makes me go all moist just thinking about it!. You don't really get it, it's a British tradition that has been in place 100s of years. The pub I frequent very regular is full of old boys, old boys who's wives have passed away and they come out to have a beer but 90% of it is sitting at the bar, watching the racing and socialising with other like-minded people. It's keeps them going, it's pretty much their only social interaction. You can argue that they can talk table to table but it's just not the same. Cos it’s a “british tradition” should be the last reason we do anything. And your pub is full of old men who have lost their wives? Really? That’s a lot of widowers in one place! Coincidence or not? I’d have thought all these vulnerable old folk would have extra reason to be extra careful even if they’ve been vaccinated? If you really care about them and their needs maybe you’d consider their good health before their right to sit at the bar watching the races? I confess to being a holier than though mask wearer. For no other reason than I worry a lot about my health and that of those around me. Frankly I think the sweeping away of restrictions is yet another example of Johnson’s cowardly approach to leadership. That said I also recognise the right in these circumstances for people to chuck their masks. You do as you see fit.
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Post by salop18 on Jul 18, 2021 9:55:12 GMT 1
You don't really get it, it's a British tradition that has been in place 100s of years. The pub I frequent very regular is full of old boys, old boys who's wives have passed away and they come out to have a beer but 90% of it is sitting at the bar, watching the racing and socialising with other like-minded people. It's keeps them going, it's pretty much their only social interaction. You can argue that they can talk table to table but it's just not the same. Cos it’s a “british tradition” should be the last reason we do anything. And your pub is full of old men who have lost their wives? Really? That’s a lot of widowers in one place! Coincidence or not? I’d have thought all these vulnerable old folk would have extra reason to be extra careful even if they’ve been vaccinated? If you really care about them and their needs maybe you’d consider their good health before their right to sit at the bar watching the races? I confess to being a holier than though mask wearer. For no other reason than I worry a lot about my health and that of those around me. Frankly I think the sweeping away of restrictions is yet another example of Johnson’s cowardly approach to leadership. That said I also recognise the right in these circumstances for people to chuck their masks. You do as you see fit. Whether restrictions end tomorrow, next month, next year, 5 years time, 10 years time… it doesn’t matter!! Coronavirus will still be here, however, those old lads might not be. Why spend the last years of your life merely just existing and NOT living doing the things you want to do? Everybody’s lost 16 months of their lives from this absolute bulls**t and it’s time we moved on now. It’s not going anywhere no matter how long people stay at home cowering under the stairs. If people want to continue to wear masks then that’s entirely up to that individual, no issues. If people want to keep social distancing and avoid large crowds and avoid unimportant travelling out then again, crack on and do you. What annoys me are people like you. Trying to put others down because they enjoy something a bit different to you. The definition of fun police.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 10:09:28 GMT 1
Cos it’s a “british tradition” should be the last reason we do anything. And your pub is full of old men who have lost their wives? Really? That’s a lot of widowers in one place! Coincidence or not? I’d have thought all these vulnerable old folk would have extra reason to be extra careful even if they’ve been vaccinated? If you really care about them and their needs maybe you’d consider their good health before their right to sit at the bar watching the races? I confess to being a holier than though mask wearer. For no other reason than I worry a lot about my health and that of those around me. Frankly I think the sweeping away of restrictions is yet another example of Johnson’s cowardly approach to leadership. That said I also recognise the right in these circumstances for people to chuck their masks. You do as you see fit. Whether restrictions end tomorrow, next month, next year, 5 years time, 10 years time… it doesn’t matter!! Coronavirus will still be here, however, those old lads might not be. Why spend the last years of your life merely just existing and NOT living doing the things you want to do? Everybody’s lost 16 months of their lives from this absolute bulls**t and it’s time we moved on now. It’s not going anywhere no matter how long people stay at home cowering under the stairs. If people want to continue to wear masks then that’s entirely up to that individual, no issues. If people want to keep social distancing and avoid large crowds and avoid unimportant travelling out then again, crack on and do you. What annoys me are people like you. Trying to put others down because they enjoy something a bit different to you. The definition of fun police. Genuine question. Who really enjoys queuing at a bar to be served?
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 18, 2021 10:10:59 GMT 1
I think it needs remembering that Matron is someone who will have seen the effects, fatal or not, of covid first hand. His experience of this should be of value to us all.
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Post by Exkeeper on Jul 18, 2021 10:12:47 GMT 1
I assume that Matron has seen many people seriously ill withCovid and lots of them will have died a horrible death.He has probably also had contact with distraught bereaved families. That being the case, I will side with him rather than some old geezer who probably thinks he is immune.
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