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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 18, 2021 20:34:12 GMT 1
On your first point - how long will you put up with being told what to do?? I just think there is getting more and more of the population that are ready to move this virus forward, ie stop listening to the same stuff week in week out and deciding what to do for themselves. I can only see those number increasing tbh. If I go to do my weekly shop and the supermarket says you must still wear a face mask or they won’t let you in, I will reluctantly put one on. If as another example STFC said you must wear a facemask in the concourses, then I also reluctantly would. I don’t want to cut off my nose to spite my face. Well if my shop or supermarket says that I would go and use another one. End of. And make sure they knew they had kissed my business bye bye.
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Post by Valerioch on Jul 18, 2021 20:35:38 GMT 1
Excellent heart felt speech
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Post by Pilch on Jul 18, 2021 20:53:51 GMT 1
On your first point - how long will you put up with being told what to do?? I just think there is getting more and more of the population that are ready to move this virus forward, ie stop listening to the same stuff week in week out and deciding what to do for themselves. I can only see those number increasing tbh. If I go to do my weekly shop and the supermarket says you must still wear a face mask or they won’t let you in, I will reluctantly put one on. If as another example STFC said you must wear a facemask in the concourses, then I also reluctantly would. I don’t want to cut off my nose to spite my face. maybe you should cut your nose off, you wont be able to wear a facemask then
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Post by dachshund on Jul 18, 2021 21:06:50 GMT 1
If I go to do my weekly shop and the supermarket says you must still wear a face mask or they won’t let you in, I will reluctantly put one on. If as another example STFC said you must wear a facemask in the concourses, then I also reluctantly would. I don’t want to cut off my nose to spite my face. Well if my shop or supermarket says that I would go and use another one. End of. And make sure they knew they had kissed my business bye bye. They’d be absolutely gutted I bet
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Post by Pilch on Jul 18, 2021 21:24:00 GMT 1
If I go to do my weekly shop and the supermarket says you must still wear a face mask or they won’t let you in, I will reluctantly put one on. If as another example STFC said you must wear a facemask in the concourses, then I also reluctantly would. I don’t want to cut off my nose to spite my face. Well if my shop or supermarket says that I would go and use another one. End of. And make sure they knew they had kissed my business bye bye. how have you shopped for the last 18 months ?
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 18, 2021 21:25:49 GMT 1
Well if my shop or supermarket says that I would go and use another one. End of. And make sure they knew they had kissed my business bye bye. They’d be absolutely gutted I bet Absolutely 👍 🙂 They would only get one chance anyway, Im sure there wont be many who push it so far.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 18, 2021 21:27:36 GMT 1
Well if my shop or supermarket says that I would go and use another one. End of. And make sure they knew they had kissed my business bye bye. how have you shopped for the last 18 months ? With a mask obviously, it's the law despite my feelings of quite what good it's done. Not law from tomorrow so it's time for change. Not that I spend a lot of time in shops at any time though tbh.
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Post by venceremos on Jul 18, 2021 21:35:05 GMT 1
Excellent heart felt speech What would he know about it? This is the person who, with no medical or scientific background, felt himself qualified to proclaim that "lockdown is the biggest single mistake in world history". That wild and ludicrous over-exaggeration, made by an unqualified TV presenter, means that I don't need to waste time listening to anything else this silly man says.
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Post by venceremos on Jul 18, 2021 21:39:54 GMT 1
how have you shopped for the last 18 months ? With a mask obviously, it's the law despite my feelings of quite what good it's done. Not law from tomorrow so it's time for change. Not that I spend a lot of time in shops at any time though tbh. Interesting choice of word. Why do you think feelings have anything to do with science? Anyway, I will definitely continue to wear a mask in indoor public spaces for the time being because I believe the medics and scientists who tell us that it helps to inhibit the spread of the virus. And the virus is still killing and damaging people. A mask may not protect me but it's not asking a lot for people to try to protect each other.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 18, 2021 21:44:49 GMT 1
how have you shopped for the last 18 months ? With a mask obviously, it's the law despite my feelings of quite what good it's done. Not law from tomorrow so it's time for change. Not that I spend a lot of time in shops at any time though tbh. if im correct I'd say your motive for starting this thread was just to intimidate those who still intend on wearing masks and are relying on others to do the same you are doing an excellent job, you'll probably be an expert at it by the end of next week, quite a hero what time are you shopping in the morning ?, are you getting excited ? you are spot on, but equally there will be a minority of unmasked people who take up the hobby of intimidating those still wearing masks, just for a laugh
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 18, 2021 21:50:32 GMT 1
Whether restrictions end tomorrow, next month, next year, 5 years time, 10 years time… it doesn’t matter!! Coronavirus will still be here, however, those old lads might not be. Why spend the last years of your life merely just existing and NOT living doing the things you want to do? Everybody’s lost 16 months of their lives from this absolute bulls**t and it’s time we moved on now. It’s not going anywhere no matter how long people stay at home cowering under the stairs. If people want to continue to wear masks then that’s entirely up to that individual, no issues. If people want to keep social distancing and avoid large crowds and avoid unimportant travelling out then again, crack on and do you. What annoys me are people like you. Trying to put others down because they enjoy something a bit different to you. The definition of fun police. Genuine question. Who really enjoys queuing at a bar to be served? It's nothing to do with queuing, it's the ordering at the bar, standing at the bar, chat with people at the bar.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 18, 2021 21:50:55 GMT 1
With a mask obviously, it's the law despite my feelings of quite what good it's done. Not law from tomorrow so it's time for change. Not that I spend a lot of time in shops at any time though tbh. if im correct I'd say your motive for starting this thread was just to intimidate those who still intend on wearing masks and are relying on others to do the same you are doing an excellent job, you'll probably be an expert at it by the end of next week, quite a hero what time are you shopping in the morning ?, are you getting excited ? you are spot on, but equally there will be a minority of unmasked people who take up the hobby of intimidating those still wearing masks, just for a laugh The motive for starting the thread was just to see how many will be doing the same as me - ditching the mask after months of obeying the law despite me not seeing any real point in doing so. Might just pop up to Telford Centre tomorrow, just to see how many more had joined the 25 or so I saw in about 20 mins on Friday not wearing one (plus about the same number wearing them as a chin warmer).
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Post by Pilch on Jul 18, 2021 22:05:35 GMT 1
Not that I spend a lot of time in shops at any time though tbh. Might just pop up to Telford Centre tomorrow, just to see how many more had joined the 25 or so I saw in about 20 mins on Friday a decent barrister would tie you up in knots
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Post by northwestman on Jul 18, 2021 22:31:48 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9798365/GRAHAM-BRADY-believe-real-purpose-masks-social-control-time-stop-fear.htmlUntil very recently, both the World Health Organisation and the public health authorities in this country were saying there was very little evidence in favour of wearing face masks. Many politicians and advisers will admit privately that the policy change compelling people to wear masks was not really about the spread of infection at all but about the psychological effect that they would have. That real purpose is social control – to provide a constant reminder to maintain distance from other people. To maintain a state of anxiety that leaves people more likely to comply with the restrictions that might otherwise be resisted or forgotten. This is exactly the same approach that the Government’s behavioural experts on the sinister-sounding advisory group known as SPI-B – the Independent Scientific Pandemic Insights Group on Behaviours – has admitted using. ‘The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging,’ said the SPI-B paper of March 22, 2020. This will be one of the most important questions when the inquiry into the handling of the pandemic begins: just how far it can ever be right for the state to use fear to manipulate the population of a free democratic country?
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 18, 2021 22:45:28 GMT 1
Brady is my MP and is on the intellectual level of Shrewsbury’s own DK.
Another hard line libertarian with no medical or scientific qualifications. 15 months ago he was busy denying there was an epidemic.
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Jul 18, 2021 23:35:38 GMT 1
No I will not be ditching my Mask on Monday and will continue to use it in appropriate places like the supermarket,football ground and other places that require it.
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Post by armchairfan on Jul 19, 2021 7:57:00 GMT 1
Excellent heart felt speech What would he know about it? This is the person who, with no medical or scientific background, felt himself qualified to proclaim that "lockdown is the biggest single mistake in world history". That wild and ludicrous over-exaggeration, made by an unqualified TV presenter, means that I don't need to waste time listening to anything else this silly man says. Many thanks for that opinion, but I have to ask exactly what scientific or medical evidence you have for proclaiming the comment to be "wild and over-exaggerated"; the history of this sad episode will not be written for some years, probably decades, so please refrain from disguising your opinion as fact, something of which you have doubtlessly accused some of us on here who happen to hold contrary views.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 19, 2021 8:09:23 GMT 1
How about ‘Neil Oliver and I have no scientific or medical qualifications, therefore I will ignore him and I will take notice of those who are appropriately qualified“?
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Post by pughywasfree on Jul 19, 2021 8:12:13 GMT 1
Masks don't make any difference. When they were first introduced they had zero impact on the curve of infections. It's like throwing a bucket of water at a wired fence and hoping the person standing on the other side does not get wet.
Deeply saddened by the amount of people that are still so petrified to release themselves from their muzzle. Many of which are most likely jabbed up already.
All the venerable people have had the vaccine (that are able to). Why the hell would people voluntarily wear masks? only reason I can think of is that they have succumb to the scaremongering and are now too petrified of their own breath.
I have not warn a mask throughout, I am exempt but I doubt I would have warn one anyway as they make me very uncomfortable. Our own government stated at the start of this s**t show that there is little evidence to suggest they make any difference. Even Mr scaremonger himself (Dr Hillary) has said that masks do very little.
I believe we are only being allowed this reward of a taste of normality so that come September when we need another lockdown people are more accommodating. Good old Boris has opened everything up but is still demanding that everyone isolates if they walk into the same room as someone who later has a positive test. It is moronic. It will lead to a further decay of our economy.
**** freedom day, free yourself. It was glorious to see what was happening over in France over the weekend in response to the horrendous restrictions they are being forced to endure. I am in no doubt many would not have seen anything about it though as the MSM ignored it.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jul 19, 2021 8:16:27 GMT 1
Trouble with this "iT's My ChOiCe" argument is it ignores the choice of the person stood with their face inches from yours on a rush hour train. I suggest travelling and shopping at less busy times as a compromise. Really good point. The fact that you could harm others if you have Covid and not aware of it, is a very convincing argument to continue wearing a mask. Life is full of risks. I could harm someone by driving somewhere, it does not mean I should sell my car. What is the point in life if you just exist obsessed with the fear of dying?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 8:19:57 GMT 1
What would he know about it? This is the person who, with no medical or scientific background, felt himself qualified to proclaim that "lockdown is the biggest single mistake in world history". That wild and ludicrous over-exaggeration, made by an unqualified TV presenter, means that I don't need to waste time listening to anything else this silly man says. Many thanks for that opinion, but I have to ask exactly what scientific or medical evidence you have for proclaiming the comment to be "wild and over-exaggerated"; the history of this sad episode will not be written for some years, probably decades, so please refrain from disguising your opinion as fact, something of which you have doubtlessly accused some of us on here who happen to hold contrary views. I have often wondered whether you have contrary views or cont-rary views
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Post by pughywasfree on Jul 19, 2021 8:29:40 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9798365/GRAHAM-BRADY-believe-real-purpose-masks-social-control-time-stop-fear.htmlUntil very recently, both the World Health Organisation and the public health authorities in this country were saying there was very little evidence in favour of wearing face masks. Many politicians and advisers will admit privately that the policy change compelling people to wear masks was not really about the spread of infection at all but about the psychological effect that they would have. That real purpose is social control – to provide a constant reminder to maintain distance from other people. To maintain a state of anxiety that leaves people more likely to comply with the restrictions that might otherwise be resisted or forgotten. This is exactly the same approach that the Government’s behavioural experts on the sinister-sounding advisory group known as SPI-B – the Independent Scientific Pandemic Insights Group on Behaviours – has admitted using. ‘The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging,’ said the SPI-B paper of March 22, 2020. This will be one of the most important questions when the inquiry into the handling of the pandemic begins: just how far it can ever be right for the state to use fear to manipulate the population of a free democratic country? Absolutely bang on! Visual reminders wherever you go of what has been going on, triggering all the fear that has been instilled in the population through constant bombardment through the media. It is producing a constant state of fear in the population which over a prolonged period of time can lead to complex trauma and mental health issues. The public are now desperate for this to end to stop the trauma so will accept anything in hope that it will end this whole s**t show. It only stops when people stop consenting and think for themselves. Sidenote: I work with young people who have suffered complex trauma and abuse. I have completed years of training on the subject. I am by no means an expert however I have a good understanding on how the human body and brain works in times of stress and the negative consequences of stress over time.
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Post by welshdan on Jul 19, 2021 8:39:49 GMT 1
This thread highlights the problem to come.
We will end up with people with opposing opinions on mask wearing sniping at each other and both sides sneering and tutting are each other.
Since Brexit and Trump the world has moved to such a polarised place.
I will keep wearing mine where I believe it’s appropriate. Not sure of impact but little effort to me for my hourly supermarket shop if it makes others feel comfortable.
However won’t be bothered if others don’t.
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 19, 2021 8:43:06 GMT 1
Whilst the 99% arguing over the latest divider, the 1% will be up to no good.
Mask v no mask Vax v no vax
The list goes on, it's been that way much more in the last decade ...
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Post by armchairfan on Jul 19, 2021 8:47:08 GMT 1
Many thanks for that opinion, but I have to ask exactly what scientific or medical evidence you have for proclaiming the comment to be "wild and over-exaggerated"; the history of this sad episode will not be written for some years, probably decades, so please refrain from disguising your opinion as fact, something of which you have doubtlessly accused some of us on here who happen to hold contrary views. I have often wondered whether you have contrary views or cont-rary views Keep wondering....brain exercise is good for you lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 9:03:47 GMT 1
This thread highlights the problem to come. We will end up with people with opposing opinions on mask wearing sniping at each other and both sides sneering and tutting are each other. Since Brexit and Trump the world has moved to such a polarised place. I will keep wearing mine where I believe it’s appropriate. Not sure of impact but little effort to me for my hourly supermarket shop if it makes others feel comfortable. However won’t be bothered if others don’t. Spot on, considering its supposedly a choice as to whether people want to wear them, it's amazing how many people are getting criticised for their choice (whatever that is).
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jul 19, 2021 9:15:55 GMT 1
Went on to my local Spar this morning, expecting some shoppers to ditch their masks, how wrong was I. All 7 or 8 shoppers I saw were still wearing them BUT the 2 members of staff on the checkout weren’t wearing one. Then again they have to wear one most of the day so I can kind of understand they may feel a bit relieved not to wear one anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 9:28:02 GMT 1
This thread highlights the problem to come. We will end up with people with opposing opinions on mask wearing sniping at each other and both sides sneering and tutting are each other. Since Brexit and Trump the world has moved to such a polarised place. I will keep wearing mine where I believe it’s appropriate. Not sure of impact but little effort to me for my hourly supermarket shop if it makes others feel comfortable. However won’t be bothered if others don’t. Spot on, considering its supposedly a choice as to whether people want to wear them, it's amazing how many people are getting criticised for their choice (whatever that is). It is a choice but the ADVICE is to wear one. Those who don't wear a mask in certain situations obviously don't heed advice.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 19, 2021 9:37:21 GMT 1
Well if my shop or supermarket says that I would go and use another one. End of. And make sure they knew they had kissed my business bye bye. They’d be absolutely gutted I bet They would be laughing all the way to the bank because most sensible people, people like mums with unvaccinated children, are only going to shop in stores that insist on facemasks.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jul 19, 2021 9:38:06 GMT 1
This thread highlights the problem to come. We will end up with people with opposing opinions on mask wearing sniping at each other and both sides sneering and tutting are each other. Since Brexit and Trump the world has moved to such a polarised place. I will keep wearing mine where I believe it’s appropriate. Not sure of impact but little effort to me for my hourly supermarket shop if it makes others feel comfortable. However won’t be bothered if others don’t. Divide and conquer. Classic tactics. Vaccinated v unvaccinated, masked v unmasked. Whilst we are all squabbling with each other nobody looks at the bigger picture. Personally I will never judge someone for choosing to wear a mask. It is their CHOICE which is the main thing, as soon as we lose the ability to chose we become a state slave.
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