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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 13:16:36 GMT 1
We did begin to see a more attacking intent after the signing of Conor McAleny, hopefully we'll see more of the same next season.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 25, 2020 13:16:55 GMT 1
It was nice to see our manager is regarded as a potential new manager at other clubs, but it's time this thread was put to bed. He's our manager and will achieve success here before moving on to a Chamionship club and we might be the Championship club he moves on with. Let's look forward to completing the plan and not having to jump on the new manager merrygoround yet again. Have you been drinking too much during lockdown? 😂
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jun 25, 2020 13:36:01 GMT 1
We did begin to see a more attacking intent after the signing of Conor McAleny, hopefully we'll see more of the same next season. Apart from the fact hes gone back. Thats one position thats vital this summer. Not not recruit well there would be criminal
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Post by Pilch on Jun 25, 2020 13:38:50 GMT 1
if you look at some of the biggest names in the game Fergie, almost got united relegated, they could still go down with 2 games to play, then he was on the verge of getting sacked but an fa cup run saved him ( van gaal got the sack after a far better start ) he arrived in 1986, and didnt lift a league title until 1993 Klopp has been at liverpool 5 years and still hasn't won the league there wasn't there a stat once that after 100 games Klopps record was worse than Brendan Rodgers , shame they never sacked him too because Rodgers would have won the title by now had he stayed ;-) just shows that even the top managers need time ricketts kept us up, with a shambles of a defence and keeper, & managed a decent cup run too next season he did a damn good job of replacing the defence and signing our own players to do so, another great cup run, improved the league position and was starting to attack a bit too before we all got locked down progress is progress, if that continues I'll be happy Why was Askey sacked then? At the time I thought the sacking was a bit harsh , but in hindsight as much as many think ricketts struggled through the opening months of the 2019, the more I look at it, the more I think maybe he was doing something askey would not have managed only a hunch but I have askey down as an old fashioned take each game as it comes type manager, there is a doc about ally mccloud in 1978 and that attitude really bit him on the arse, ricketts on the other hand is more like Marcelo Bielsa, I know its all about what happens on the pitch but having the right approach helps , or at least I hope it does jump to 29:40 fail to prepare = prepare to fail
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Post by venceremos on Jun 25, 2020 14:16:29 GMT 1
It was nice to see our manager is regarded as a potential new manager at other clubs, but it's time this thread was put to bed. I thought I might be doing that when I passed on that Bolton were trying to get Evatt. Turns out I just helped reactivate it!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 15:43:08 GMT 1
We did begin to see a more attacking intent after the signing of Conor McAleny, hopefully we'll see more of the same next season. Apart from the fact hes gone back. Thats one position thats vital this summer. Not not recruit well there would be criminal Definitely need one or two of this type of player to give us that attacking intent. I wonder if Ricketts is thinking of going back in for Conor?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 20:31:39 GMT 1
It was nice to see our manager is regarded as a potential new manager at other clubs, but it's time this thread was put to bed. I thought I might be doing that when I passed on that Bolton were trying to get Evatt. Turns out I just helped reactivate it! Thread should be put to bed sadly ricketts aint going anywhere soon.The bolton fans just havnt got a clue about ricketts tactical style,they did nothing but slag of parkinson saying he was to negative.What on earth would they say if our sam trotted into town.pun intended.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 25, 2020 21:48:13 GMT 1
I thought I might be doing that when I passed on that Bolton were trying to get Evatt. Turns out I just helped reactivate it! Thread should be put to bed sadly ricketts aint going anywhere soon.The bolton fans just havnt got a clue about ricketts tactical style,they did nothing but slag of parkinson saying he was to negative.What on earth would they say if our sam trotted into town.pun intended. At least Ricketts' football involves passing and a degree of skill. Parkinson's Bolton (when they came to us) were all kick, rush and out-muscle - comfortably one of the most limited League 1 promotion teams I've seen.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 25, 2020 23:05:04 GMT 1
Well done Liverpool for winning something some think important. Personally, I will remember it as the season we should have beaten Liverpool live on national TV that Sunday evening.
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 25, 2020 23:10:23 GMT 1
I’m afraid I can only remember it for the way Klopp behaved after that match and all the difficulties with the replay. Do they get money for winning the league? If so, perhaps they’ll be able to afford a table so that away fans can collect their tickets without having to rely on a proper club down the road to help out.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 25, 2020 23:28:10 GMT 1
Well done Liverpool for winning something some think important. Personally, I will remember it as the season we should have beaten Liverpool live on national TV that Sunday evening. I'll remember it as annus horribilis nundeviginti
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Post by Pilch on Jun 25, 2020 23:36:13 GMT 1
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 25, 2020 23:48:36 GMT 1
Indeed. Just adds fuel to the argument and my point. Horrible bunch.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 8:48:42 GMT 1
Mainly on the B&A twitter account. Lots of teams play the way we do, with varying degrees of success. It is a bizarre term, but it gets clicks, or follows, or whatever it is people with these type of opinions want. Hello Thanks for your consideration Rickettsball is a term used to describe the football he brought us from the moment he came in until the last few weeks of this season when he finally made some changes to his tactical approach. Its football with the handbrake on, a defensive first approach. Disjointed attacking performance/set up. Uninspiring football at times. A team who are anemic in general. It also covers the way we set up and how useful that is in the cups where it can get great results. It also covers the tactical appaorch he ran through with us last summer in the two meetings we had with him. There is more to it than the term "Rickettsball" and its more of a term we have developed on Salopcast more, but if you dont listen you wont get that as much. Its more considered that a clickbait term. Trust me, this is Shrewsbury Town. Clickbait is not generating large amounts of engagement. It aint going to go viral any time soon. All twitter account and my contributions to Salopcast is my honest genuine opinion mixed with a bit of micky taking. Thats it. We we cant have a bit of fun at the club, players and managers expense every now and again too, then thats no fun! On Ricketts - I have had my say a few times. Hes not going anywhere. Would I be devastated to lose him to Bolton. No. Do I think if he learns some lessons from last season and gets recruitment right like last summer and not the jan window he could have a better season next year. For sure. Hes young. Learning and we are his school for the moment. It wont all be easy, and its no easy to watch for the most part BUT hes still here and has another chance to show what he has to offer. I would say there is a split in the fanbase though, somewhat, and thats not going anywhere until we do achieve something more in the league. More goals, winning three league games in a row for the first time since Hurst was here would be some nice steps. Hes got us defensively sound and that's the first step. Can he take the next step? Will people be MORE demanding next season now hes been here this long, does not have to do a huge rebuild? Who knows, but I as ever look forward to finding out and getting back supporting the club and hoping (not expecting) the best. Hurstball then?
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Post by Pilch on Jun 26, 2020 10:47:51 GMT 1
Hurstball, go a goal up and take the ball into the corner and hold it for the remainder of the game, everyone will forget how boring it is if you win
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jun 26, 2020 11:13:41 GMT 1
Hello Thanks for your consideration Rickettsball is a term used to describe the football he brought us from the moment he came in until the last few weeks of this season when he finally made some changes to his tactical approach. Its football with the handbrake on, a defensive first approach. Disjointed attacking performance/set up. Uninspiring football at times. A team who are anemic in general. It also covers the way we set up and how useful that is in the cups where it can get great results. It also covers the tactical appaorch he ran through with us last summer in the two meetings we had with him. There is more to it than the term "Rickettsball" and its more of a term we have developed on Salopcast more, but if you dont listen you wont get that as much. Its more considered that a clickbait term. Trust me, this is Shrewsbury Town. Clickbait is not generating large amounts of engagement. It aint going to go viral any time soon. All twitter account and my contributions to Salopcast is my honest genuine opinion mixed with a bit of micky taking. Thats it. We we cant have a bit of fun at the club, players and managers expense every now and again too, then thats no fun! On Ricketts - I have had my say a few times. Hes not going anywhere. Would I be devastated to lose him to Bolton. No. Do I think if he learns some lessons from last season and gets recruitment right like last summer and not the jan window he could have a better season next year. For sure. Hes young. Learning and we are his school for the moment. It wont all be easy, and its no easy to watch for the most part BUT hes still here and has another chance to show what he has to offer. I would say there is a split in the fanbase though, somewhat, and thats not going anywhere until we do achieve something more in the league. More goals, winning three league games in a row for the first time since Hurst was here would be some nice steps. Hes got us defensively sound and that's the first step. Can he take the next step? Will people be MORE demanding next season now hes been here this long, does not have to do a huge rebuild? Who knows, but I as ever look forward to finding out and getting back supporting the club and hoping (not expecting) the best. Hurstball then? We didnt use that term for Hurst from memory... But lets be honest, winning games masks a lot - Hurst left us with a win percentage of 47% Ricketts is down at 27% currently! (league)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 11:42:40 GMT 1
We didnt use that term for Hurst from memory... But lets be honest, winning games masks a lot - Hurst left us with a win percentage of 47% Ricketts is down at 27% currently! (league) Well, that's my point. Like I said in my original post, lots of teams play the way we do and are successful. We are not unique, so 'Rickettsball' suggests we have developed a new way of playing when we haven't. If the team had executed the plan, had a bit more luck, etc, etc, fine margins, etc, etc, Ricketsball would never be in use. I mean, I get the joke, but I also get the 'social media' angle, the entertainment side of it and the 'banter'. And to be clear, this isn't a dig at the twitter feed, or the podcast. It's about personal preference around how football is discussed, plus I can get plenty of what the pod offers, from my mates (thought we've never used Rickettsball).
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Post by blamber on Jun 26, 2020 11:48:45 GMT 1
Credit where it's due. 'Hurstball' was only used to see out the last few minutes of a game we were winning. Quite right too. You'd have to be an idiot to do anything else. As I recall, that season was full of entertainment and decent football. Why? Because we had assembled a side that had some very good ball players from defensive areas through to attack - the likes of Godfrey, Nolan, Rodman and Whalley were all very good with the ball and could make things happen. We need similar types of players in similar positions to put together another decent side capable of challenging in the top half of the division.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 26, 2020 11:52:26 GMT 1
Take for example two 1-1 draws under Ricketts. The first one up at the Stadium of Light, a front three of Shop-Gillead-Laurent, scored a fluke set piece and parked the bus. 12 months later away at Bolton Wanderers, a game that by the second half (first half very poor) we completely dominated against 10 men and their keeper was MOTM.
I know which of the two games the away fans left more satisfied with, and funnily enough it’s the one that’s more stereotypically ‘Ricketsball’.
I don’t think it’s helped Ricketts that our home form hasn’t been great, although we’ve had some great results on the road under him, since the New Meadow we’ve always been a lot stronger at home and fans are expectant. And obviously the vast majority of our fans will only see the home games.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 26, 2020 11:55:43 GMT 1
We didnt use that term for Hurst from memory... But lets be honest, winning games masks a lot - Hurst left us with a win percentage of 47% Ricketts is down at 27% currently! (league) Hurst left us with a defeat Hurst left us with our 2 best players Hurst left us ps I love the way you use currently to include results from 2018 pricey is back with his negative stats hurst league % since ricketts arrived = 17%
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 26, 2020 12:04:52 GMT 1
We didnt use that term for Hurst from memory... But lets be honest, winning games masks a lot - Hurst left us with a win percentage of 47% Ricketts is down at 27% currently! (league) I’d be interested to see how Ricketts league one record stacks up with the league one records of Turner, Jackson, Mellon and Askey. Also the loss percentage, if you have such stats to hand
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jun 26, 2020 13:28:07 GMT 1
We didnt use that term for Hurst from memory... But lets be honest, winning games masks a lot - Hurst left us with a win percentage of 47% Ricketts is down at 27% currently! (league) I’d be interested to see how Ricketts league one record stacks up with the league one records of Turner, Jackson, Mellon and Askey. Also the loss percentage, if you have such stats to hand Not to hand but can work it out... will come back to you on that. However on POINTS earned in League 1 Up to 60 games he was 1 point better off than Turner and had been and was out performing Mellon (who only lasted 57 League one games) Only Hurst has a better record up to 60 games, but was way ahead - He had 102 points by game 60! Interestingly - Ricketts is only 17 league one games off being out longest serving League 1 manager!
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Post by Pilch on Jun 26, 2020 13:36:19 GMT 1
the only real stats that matter are the future ones
lockdown has been unfortunate but at least every club are in the same situation, which I suppose means sam being sam will have been on top of the situation and I suspect one or 2 clubs might not have been , interesting times ahead
the other big matter is Sams contract, if we have a great start to the season we'll probably end up losing him, if we have a bad start to the season we'll end up getting rid
either way pricey will be happy ;-)
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jun 26, 2020 13:41:57 GMT 1
the only real stats that matter are the future ones lockdown has been unfortunate but at least every club are in the same situation, which I suppose means sam being sam will have been on top of the situation and I suspect one or 2 clubs might not have been , interesting times ahead the other big matter is Sams contract, if we have a great start to the season we'll probably end up losing him, if we have a bad start to the season we'll end up getting rid either way pricey will be happy ;-) If you stay on the fence you cant ever be disappointed...
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 26, 2020 13:47:27 GMT 1
Take for example two 1-1 draws under Ricketts. The first one up at the Stadium of Light, a front three of Shop-Gillead-Laurent, scored a fluke set piece and parked the bus. 12 months later away at Bolton Wanderers, a game that by the second half (first half very poor) we completely dominated against 10 men and their keeper was MOTM. I know which of the two games the away fans left more satisfied with, and funnily enough it’s the one that’s more stereotypically ‘Ricketsball’. I don’t think it’s helped Ricketts that our home form hasn’t been great, although we’ve had some great results on the road under him, since the New Meadow we’ve always been a lot stronger at home and fans are expectant. And obviously the vast majority of our fans will only see the home games. But surely home form is down to the managers team selection and set up, oh and players fitness (manger) Recruitment (manager) so your right it hasn’t helped him but he hasn’t helped himself
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Post by Pilch on Jun 26, 2020 13:50:13 GMT 1
you'd have thought bolton would have given hurst the job considering how amazing he is ;-)
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 26, 2020 14:05:35 GMT 1
Agreed, I would have 👍
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 9:27:28 GMT 1
So Ian Evatt gets the hot seat at Bolton. Good luck to him but tough on the Barrow fans on their return to the FL and already minus their manager.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 2, 2020 9:43:54 GMT 1
Barrow fans on their return to the FL. I really haven't been paying enough attention. Barrow? Blimey. What a story that is. Just a certain something about a club that was last seen in the League in 1972 making their way back up.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 2, 2020 10:02:02 GMT 1
Think i would have stuck it out at Barrow rather than go to a basket case like Bolton in the same division tbh.
Talking about Jim Bentley to take over at Barrow, should be a good appointment in their position i would think.
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