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Post by venceremos on Jun 17, 2020 15:32:36 GMT 1
Am I alone in thinking the use of the term "Rickettsball" has become more tedious than the thing it seeks to ridicule? You are probably not alone. But you would also not be alone in using the words tedious and Ricketts in the same sentence. The most uninspiring manager in our history, ever. Tedious or otherwise, long-standing fans have an absolute right to speak openly In criticising a manager and his tactics that are actively stopping people bothering to go and support the team. If others of a different view to that are upset then so be it. I don't think anybody's seeking to shut down differing opinions - whether those of long-standing fans or newbies - but the level of debate sometimes leaves a lot to be desired and the "Rickettsball" jibe epitomises that. Ever since I've watched Shrewsbury there have been posters talking about people no longer being bothered to go, except when the team's challenging for promotion. Crowd numbers remain pretty healthy though. Personally I don't look to the manager for inspiration, I take that from what's being played out on the field. Uninspiring is an accusation that could at times have been levelled at every Salop manager's team I've seen, starting with Jimmy Quinn. I'd make one exception; Paul Hurst, who didn't stick around long enough for that to happen. I prefer to look ahead and I'm optimistic. I think we have a good base on which to build, but each to their own.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 17, 2020 15:55:19 GMT 1
Am I alone in thinking the use of the term "Rickettsball" has become more tedious than the thing it seeks to ridicule? Never seen it before your post, where’s it used?
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 17, 2020 15:58:13 GMT 1
No statement from Ricketts distancing himself more to the point. Ipswich didn’t approach us either....
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Post by northwestman on Jun 17, 2020 16:01:38 GMT 1
No statement from Ricketts distancing himself more to the point. Ipswich didn’t approach us either.... The serious reduction in odds of him becoming their next manager is interesting. That plus the fact he's only got 1 year left on his contract with us, and that article suggests that Bolton are prepared to pay compensation (though where from is anyone's guess).
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Post by FloreatShrew on Jun 17, 2020 16:02:47 GMT 1
Am I alone in thinking the use of the term "Rickettsball" has become more tedious than the thing it seeks to ridicule? Yes, and it's a vehicle for an agenda, might have been funny once when first said. But as a support group we've got too many people happier when it's all wrong.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 17, 2020 16:07:07 GMT 1
Would anyone be unduly upset if we released Ricketts to Bolton, received compensation for the last year of his contract, and replaced him with Nigel Clough?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 16:15:43 GMT 1
Am I alone in thinking the use of the term "Rickettsball" has become more tedious than the thing it seeks to ridicule? Never seen it before your post, where’s it used? Mainly on the B&A twitter account. Lots of teams play the way we do, with varying degrees of success. It is a bizarre term, but it gets clicks, or follows, or whatever it is people with these type of opinions want.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 16:18:25 GMT 1
Anyway, managers come, managers go.
Some were awful for us (Simpson), some were good for us (insert your own manager here), some were indifferent/forgettable.
If Ricketts goes, I imagine history will remember him in the latter category.
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Post by Exkeeper on Jun 17, 2020 16:31:27 GMT 1
Anyway, managers come, managers go. Some were awful for us (Simpson), some were good for us (insert your own manager here), some were indifferent/forgettable. If Ricketts goes, I imagine history will remember him in the latter category. Alternatively, if he stays, he could move himself up (or heaven forbid,down) a category.
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Post by JohnG on Jun 17, 2020 16:31:52 GMT 1
Would anyone be unduly upset if we released Ricketts to Bolton, received compensation for the last year of his contract, and replaced him with Nigel Clough? I could live with that!
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Post by Exkeeper on Jun 17, 2020 16:33:35 GMT 1
Would anyone be unduly upset if we released Ricketts to Bolton, received compensation for the last year of his contract, and replaced him with Nigel Clough? I could live with that! The fact the Clough has been talking to Birmingham, suggests that he wants to dine on a higher class of table.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 17, 2020 17:08:51 GMT 1
Really hate the whole “if you don’t like the manager you aren’t a really fan” stuff. We all want what is best for this football club and for some they believe it isn’t SR. Fans are perfectly entitled to hold a different opinion than you without having their loyalty to this football club questioned. In fact if some fans believe that it’s better for the football club to have less fans who are pure sycophants than 8k attendances every week then they are just plain wrong. I’ll be stood watching salop when SR is here, and I’ll be stood watching long after he’s gone. Managers and players will come and go, we’ll always be here. yes, those who have screamed change him or get relegated have a third chance to be proven right this season some have already started 'loyal fans' ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 17:15:57 GMT 1
This’ll be in the Shropshire Star by tomorrow 🤣 Took a while but it got there...!
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Post by venceremos on Jun 17, 2020 17:24:35 GMT 1
Would anyone be unduly upset if we released Ricketts to Bolton, received compensation for the last year of his contract, and replaced him with Nigel Clough? Clough left Burton because he was too expensive for them, didn't he? How expensive is that!?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 17, 2020 17:29:13 GMT 1
Why are people even speculating with the likes of Clough? Our last four managers have all come from divisions lower than us so look down people, and suddenly Ricketts having an extra year looks more appealing.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 17, 2020 17:34:52 GMT 1
Would anyone be unduly upset if we released Ricketts to Bolton, received compensation for the last year of his contract, and replaced him with Nigel Clough? Clough left Burton because he was too expensive for them, didn't he? How expensive is that!? Very true. But they did have one of the lowest budgets in the Division, and an average attendance of 2,986. That being the case, Clough has done rather well. www.footballwebpages.co.uk/league-one/attendances
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 17:45:07 GMT 1
Perhaps someone has put an tenner on Ricketts and that's why the odds have dramatically shortened....who knows!
I must be ignorant or something but I've not come across the "Rickettsball" reference before, what is it supposed to mean?
As far as I've seen the tactics that he has employed for most of his tenure are not unique to this division. The only problem has been that our full backs have not been wing backs and therefore we've lacked that attacking edge, hence the low amount of goals scored.
One wish I do have is that hopefully we will play a more expansive game once the new season eventually starts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 19:37:37 GMT 1
Anyway, managers come, managers go. Some were awful for us (Simpson), some were good for us (insert your own manager here), some were indifferent/forgettable. If Ricketts goes, I imagine history will remember him in the latter category. Alternatively, if he stays, he could move himself up (or heaven forbid,down) a category. He may well do, but I am talking about if he goes now. How will he be remembered.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Jun 17, 2020 19:44:42 GMT 1
Would anyone be unduly upset if we released Ricketts to Bolton, received compensation for the last year of his contract, and replaced him with Nigel Clough? Think I have more chance of getting a date with Lucy Verasamy - the ITV weather girl!
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Post by venceremos on Jun 25, 2020 1:59:37 GMT 1
Bolton said to be trying to take Ian Evatt from Barrow. Compensation might be a sticking point.
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Post by MartinB on Jun 25, 2020 6:27:31 GMT 1
Rickettsball is used frequently on Twitter. I would love to say it is to describe the fantastically entertaining style of football that Sam Ricketts has introduced to the club. You know the one where players pour forward in sweeping attacking movements.
It is actually to describe the fact we play five at the back with two holding midfield players with none of these seven players allowed to cross the half way line until the three other players have the ball at the opponents penalty area, otherwise known as boring football
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jun 25, 2020 9:24:12 GMT 1
Never seen it before your post, where’s it used? Mainly on the B&A twitter account. Lots of teams play the way we do, with varying degrees of success. It is a bizarre term, but it gets clicks, or follows, or whatever it is people with these type of opinions want. Hello Thanks for your consideration Rickettsball is a term used to describe the football he brought us from the moment he came in until the last few weeks of this season when he finally made some changes to his tactical approach. Its football with the handbrake on, a defensive first approach. Disjointed attacking performance/set up. Uninspiring football at times. A team who are anemic in general. It also covers the way we set up and how useful that is in the cups where it can get great results. It also covers the tactical appaorch he ran through with us last summer in the two meetings we had with him. There is more to it than the term "Rickettsball" and its more of a term we have developed on Salopcast more, but if you dont listen you wont get that as much. Its more considered that a clickbait term. Trust me, this is Shrewsbury Town. Clickbait is not generating large amounts of engagement. It aint going to go viral any time soon. All twitter account and my contributions to Salopcast is my honest genuine opinion mixed with a bit of micky taking. Thats it. We we cant have a bit of fun at the club, players and managers expense every now and again too, then thats no fun! On Ricketts - I have had my say a few times. Hes not going anywhere. Would I be devastated to lose him to Bolton. No. Do I think if he learns some lessons from last season and gets recruitment right like last summer and not the jan window he could have a better season next year. For sure. Hes young. Learning and we are his school for the moment. It wont all be easy, and its no easy to watch for the most part BUT hes still here and has another chance to show what he has to offer. I would say there is a split in the fanbase though, somewhat, and thats not going anywhere until we do achieve something more in the league. More goals, winning three league games in a row for the first time since Hurst was here would be some nice steps. Hes got us defensively sound and that's the first step. Can he take the next step? Will people be MORE demanding next season now hes been here this long, does not have to do a huge rebuild? Who knows, but I as ever look forward to finding out and getting back supporting the club and hoping (not expecting) the best.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 25, 2020 10:19:37 GMT 1
if you look at some of the biggest names in the game Fergie, almost got united relegated, they could still go down with 2 games to play, then he was on the verge of getting sacked but an fa cup run saved him ( van gaal got the sack after a far better start ) he arrived in 1986, and didnt lift a league title until 1993 Klopp has been at liverpool 5 years and still hasn't won the league there wasn't there a stat once that after 100 games Klopps record was worse than Brendan Rodgers , shame they never sacked him too because Rodgers would have won the title by now had he stayed ;-) just shows that even the top managers need time ricketts kept us up, with a shambles of a defence and keeper, & managed a decent cup run too next season he did a damn good job of replacing the defence and signing our own players to do so, another great cup run, improved the league position and was starting to attack a bit too before we all got locked down progress is progress, if that continues I'll be happy
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jun 25, 2020 10:38:30 GMT 1
if you look at some of the biggest names in the game Fergie, almost got united relegated, they could still go down with 2 games to play, then he was on the verge of getting sacked but an fa cup run saved him ( van gaal got the sack after a far better start ) he arrived in 1986, and didnt lift a league title until 1993 Klopp has been at liverpool 5 years and still hasn't won the league there wasn't there a stat once that after 100 games Klopps record was worse than Brendan Rodgers , shame they never sacked him too because Rodgers would have won the title by now had he stayed ;-) just shows that even the top managers need time ricketts kept us up, with a shambles of a defence and keeper, & managed a decent cup run too next season he did a damn good job of replacing the defence and signing our own players to do so, another great cup run, improved the league position and was starting to attack a bit too before we all got locked down progress is progress, if that continues I'll be happy Fair points.... There would also be a very long list of managers clubs stuck with and still got relegated (Ratcliffe) but that's not the point I guess. In terms of Ricketts your analysis is fair too, but I really dont think that's how everyone feels. That's clear from talking to fans. I still sit firmly in the middle on Ricketts. When it comes to the league i'm still waiting for something genuinely progressive and next level. But I like whats hes done in the FA Cup (less said about the league cup the better) and the money hes brought in. Hes not quite at the Micky Mellon level for Cup Earnings but getting there. The end of season review is worth a listen PILCH as it expresses more than you can in written word. Could we improve again next season For sure. Could it go backwards Also possible. But I dont think anyone is hounding him out at the moment or asking for him to be sacked. The debate more is how bothered would you be if he did go to Bolton? If we have another summer of recruitment like last year... we would be well set for sure.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 25, 2020 10:38:31 GMT 1
"Klopp has been there 5 years and still hasnt won the league there"
Go on, wring the last few drops out of that one then. 😁🤣😎
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 25, 2020 10:49:29 GMT 1
It was nice to see our manager is regarded as a potential new manager at other clubs, but it's time this thread was put to bed. He's our manager and will achieve success here before moving on to a Chamionship club and we might be the Championship club he moves on with. Let's look forward to completing the plan and not having to jump on the new manager merrygoround yet again.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 25, 2020 10:51:19 GMT 1
"Klopp has been there 5 years and still hasnt won the league there" Go on, wring the last few drops out of that one then. 😁🤣😎 I watched the liverpool game last night, how many fans were inside the 'behind closed doors' stadium , seemed far louder than it normally is and the only person I saw wearing a face mask was Dalglish , I mean WHY ?
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jun 25, 2020 10:52:57 GMT 1
"Klopp has been there 5 years and still hasnt won the league there" Go on, wring the last few drops out of that one then. 😁🤣😎 I watched the liverpool game last night, how many fans were inside the 'behind closed doors' stadium , seemed far louder than it normally is and the only person I saw wearing a face mask was Dalglish , I mean WHY ? Its killing you isn't it PILCH They have even got you watching them now! Whats happened!
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Post by Pilch on Jun 25, 2020 10:56:01 GMT 1
I watched the liverpool game last night, how many fans were inside the 'behind closed doors' stadium , seemed far louder than it normally is and the only person I saw wearing a face mask was Dalglish , I mean WHY ? Its killing you isn't it PILCH They have even got you watching them now! Whats happened! I actually hope city draw 0-0 tonight, nothing worse than winning the league when you dont play ;-) well apart from not winning the league etc ;-)
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 25, 2020 13:15:15 GMT 1
if you look at some of the biggest names in the game Fergie, almost got united relegated, they could still go down with 2 games to play, then he was on the verge of getting sacked but an fa cup run saved him ( van gaal got the sack after a far better start ) he arrived in 1986, and didnt lift a league title until 1993 Klopp has been at liverpool 5 years and still hasn't won the league there wasn't there a stat once that after 100 games Klopps record was worse than Brendan Rodgers , shame they never sacked him too because Rodgers would have won the title by now had he stayed ;-) just shows that even the top managers need time ricketts kept us up, with a shambles of a defence and keeper, & managed a decent cup run too next season he did a damn good job of replacing the defence and signing our own players to do so, another great cup run, improved the league position and was starting to attack a bit too before we all got locked down progress is progress, if that continues I'll be happy Why was Askey sacked then?
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