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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 28, 2021 12:40:33 GMT 1
Well that was a waste of PM ‘QS by Mr Starmer don’t ya think 3 million unemployed, 120,000 dead. Starmer: wallpaper.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 28, 2021 12:44:29 GMT 1
Well that was a waste of PM ‘QS by Mr Starmer don’t ya think 3 million unemployed, 120,000 dead. Starmer: wallpaper. You mean the type of questions that get asked every week that get brushed over? PMQs has long been a pathetic show of mud-slinging and headline making. If Starmer hadn’t brought it up the media would’ve accused him of missing an open goal, the media believe that we the Great British public are absolutely outraged by this scandal.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 28, 2021 13:20:57 GMT 1
No question in PMQs will be answered accurately or truthfully, if at all. So ask the questions that relate to the issues that are affecting people day to day. No doubt Starmer will be happy with himself as this will be like being back in court up against McDonalds, but these issues will be covered in detail by parliamentary committees. The skids are under Johnson, we all know he's a house, but this set-piece clash is side-lining the more important issues facing us currently. It feels as genuine as Saturday afternoon wrestling on World of Sport.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 13:21:50 GMT 1
Well that was a waste of PM ‘QS by Mr Starmer don’t ya think Wouldn’t have needed to be if johnson had answered the question asked the first time it was asked.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 28, 2021 13:40:11 GMT 1
Well that was a waste of PM ‘QS by Mr Starmer don’t ya think 3 million unemployed, 120,000 dead. Starmer: wallpaper. PMQs may be a show but it's also the most noticed part of the regular parliamentary business. If Starmer used it to push on unemployment, he'd be rebuffed instantly with "pandemic", or else he could push on the brexit effect but that's not a fruitful button to push just now. He could use it to highlight the numbers of pandemic dead but he's done that several times before and endless repetition eventually means people stop listening. There'll be times in future when these topics can come to the fore. Meanwhile, with Johnson apparently under attack from some on his own side, it would be negligent for an opposition leader not to attack on the hot topics of the moment. And those are sleaze, corruption and the "bodies pile high" remark. Those who claim it doesn't matter are wrong. The rules are there for a reason. If people can't see why it might be important for a PM not to be beholden to donors then they ought not to be allowed to vote. And, crucially, Starmer exposed Johnson's inability to answer the question who paid initially for the refurb, because he can't admit it wasn't him. Those who say the public don't care may or may not be wrong but, much more importantly, they completely miss the point. The popularity of an issue doesn't determine its importance. MPs should be explaining to people why they should care and why the honesty and integrity of the PM and government do matter, not blithely brushing over the principle and attempting to belittle the argument with dismissive remarks about "wallpaper".
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Apr 28, 2021 13:50:34 GMT 1
Sounds to me like Mr Johnson is in trouble if even his most loyal PR journo thinks he's losing the plot
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 28, 2021 14:11:32 GMT 1
I don't think Starmer can go after Johnson too much about the pandemic because people will know its a difficult business, everyone can see the success of the vaccination rollout (as yet anyhow) and people see others (namely the EU) struggling too. So why not go after Johnson on the refurb, it seemed to have hit a nerve anyhow. And who knows where this might all lead.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 28, 2021 14:20:11 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9520575/Elections-watchdog-launches-probe-offences-No11-flat.htmlBoris Johnson clashed bitterly with Keir Starmer today as his crisis deepened after the elections watchdog launched a formal probe into whether 'offences' have been committed in the Downing Street flat row. A clearly incensed PM insisted he 'paid for the refurbishment myself' and had abided by the ministerial code despite the Electoral Commission saying there were 'reasonable grounds to suspect' the law might have been broken over the controversial No11 refurbishment. But as Sir Keir demanded he 'answer the question' he repeatedly dodged saying whether £58,000 of Tory funds had originally been used for the works, before he repaid the money. Sir Keir said the public 'scream at their televisions' for Mr Johnson to 'answer the question'. 'The Prime Minister hasn't answered the question, he knows he hasn't answered the question, he never answers the question,' he said.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 28, 2021 16:32:11 GMT 1
Speaking of Kuenssberg (I think it were Kuenssberg anyhow), Dyson clearly didn't think too much of her reporting on his text messages nor relationship with Johnson and the Tories... Sir James Dyson exclusive: BBC twisted the truth over my links to the ToriesHe describes the way he is presented in the BBC story as a “grotesque mischaracterisation”. Seem the Beeb claimed he was a "prominent Conservative supporter" but this is not the case...some snippets from the article... The Electoral Commission website on Tuesday night showed that The James Dyson Foundation had given £5,000 in 2016 and £6,450 in 2017 to Michelle Donelan, a Conservative MP.
Sir James in his article says the donation was for the Wiltshire Engineering Festival, which Ms Donelan was involved in. Ms Donelan’s register of interests notes money given by the foundation was used for the festival.
Sir James writes: “The festival, run in 2016 and 2017, was attended by thousands of local school pupils to encourage young people into engineering.
“For the record, the total donations I have made to political causes in my entire life amount to £800.”
Sir James says it is correct he spoke at the Conservative Party conference in 2009 but notes he also spoke at the Labour Party conference in 1998.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 16:49:28 GMT 1
He describes the way he is presented in the BBC story as a “grotesque mischaracterisation”. Awwww the poor love. He should send boris a text and make sure Laura K gets back in line! 👍
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Post by northwestman on Apr 28, 2021 16:50:27 GMT 1
Boris Johnson will have the final say on whether he breached the ministerial code over the Downing Street flat, Number 10 has revealed.
Former private secretary to the Queen Lord Geidt was appointed as the new independent adviser on ministers' interests this morning, charged with prioritising the so-called "cash for curtains" row.
But the Prime Minister's official spokesman said Mr Johnson has concerns that an independent adviser with powers to launch probes could be drawn into an investigation with "trivial or vexatious complaints".
"So he will remain the ultimate arbiter of this," he said.
Daily Telegraph.
So nothing to see here then!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 16:58:45 GMT 1
It is worth remembering that the previous holder of the post resigned because, having found Priti Patel guilty of breaching the ministerial code, Johnson refused to sack her which was unheard of.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 28, 2021 17:01:17 GMT 1
He describes the way he is presented in the BBC story as a “grotesque mischaracterisation”. Awwww the poor love. He should send boris a text and make sure Laura K gets back in line! 👍 Errrrm, OK...👍
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 28, 2021 17:03:47 GMT 1
I don't think Starmer can go after Johnson too much about the pandemic because people will know its a difficult business, everyone can see the success of the vaccination rollout (as yet anyhow) and people see others (namely the EU) struggling too. So why not go after Johnson on the refurb, it seemed to have hit a nerve anyhow. And who knows where this might all lead. So why not? I guess if this is about the sum of it... Will have to wait and see where it goes of course (whether there is more to it) but having read that, there doesn't seem all that much to it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 17:10:27 GMT 1
Hypocrites here, hypocrites there, hypocrites everywhere.
Anyway, who paid what detracts from other issues I guess.
And a wet fart as more charisma than Starmer. And is probably more 'forensic'.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 29, 2021 8:20:56 GMT 1
Be interesting to know what the terms of this "loan" were. A soft loan (i.e. no interest) is arguably still a BIK. Similarly, not sure loaning him (and let's face it, it only became a loan when Boris' wheeze was uncovered) the money is an any more appropriate use of party funds than just giving him the money.
Still, it'll be enough to mollify a tory base desperate for any reason to just "move on".
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Apr 29, 2021 9:13:27 GMT 1
And a wet fart as more charisma than Starmer. And is probably more 'forensic'. Charisma isn’t a quality I admire in politicians, it usually applies to charlatans. One of the few Prime Ministers to leave a lasting beneficial legacy was said to be among the most dull. ”An empty taxi drew up and Mr Attlee got out” (Winston Churchill).
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Post by camdenshrew on Apr 29, 2021 9:17:07 GMT 1
Boris Johnson will have the final say on whether he breached the ministerial code over the Downing Street flat, Number 10 has revealed. Former private secretary to the Queen Lord Geidt was appointed as the new independent adviser on ministers' interests this morning, charged with prioritising the so-called "cash for curtains" row. But the Prime Minister's official spokesman said Mr Johnson has concerns that an independent adviser with powers to launch probes could be drawn into an investigation with "trivial or vexatious complaints". "So he will remain the ultimate arbiter of this," he said. Daily Telegraph. So nothing to see here then! It's the sort of stunt Putin would pull. We are now heading towards the direction of an "illiberal democracy."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 9:50:07 GMT 1
Still, it'll be enough to mollify a tory base desperate for any reason to just "move on". Which is interesting really cos when it came to what Jeremy Corbyn was doing 40 years ago it’s the last thing they wanted to do👍
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Post by northwestman on Apr 29, 2021 10:12:03 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 10:44:55 GMT 1
Still, it'll be enough to mollify a tory base desperate for any reason to just "move on". Which is interesting really cos when it came to what Jeremy Corbyn was doing 40 years ago it’s the last thing they wanted to do👍 Good point. Also, even recently, people weren't prepared to give him the benefit of doubt.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Apr 29, 2021 10:48:09 GMT 1
Recent poll shows a +5 BOOST for Boris despite all the corruption allegations
I realise I'm not the best person to come to for nuance as I am very anti-Tory but I find it really hard to believe getting a boost with all these corruption allegations
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Post by northwestman on Apr 29, 2021 11:03:29 GMT 1
Zahawi this morning.
"The prime minister has answered umpteen questions".
Responded. Not answered.
"But he has throughout this whole process been advised by his officials".
I'm sure he has. Given that his officials obviously didn't advise him to break any number of rules and, perhaps, laws, clearly he ignored their advice.
"and he has clearly paid for the refurbishment."
Yeah, we know, he keeps saying it. Kinda not the point. Who initially paid for it?
"The prime minister has already said he has followed the ministerial code."
That's o.k. then. He marks his own homework, if indeed he ever sets it.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Apr 29, 2021 11:36:31 GMT 1
Recent poll shows a +5 BOOST for Boris despite all the corruption allegations I realise I'm not the best person to come to for nuance as I am very anti-Tory but I find it really hard to believe getting a boost with all these corruption allegations Who do the other 36% want as PM? Arlene Foster??
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 29, 2021 12:27:39 GMT 1
Recent poll shows a +5 BOOST for Boris despite all the corruption allegations I realise I'm not the best person to come to for nuance as I am very anti-Tory but I find it really hard to believe getting a boost with all these corruption allegations People do tend to have a soft spot for a lovable rogue.
His previous with relationships, lies, buffoonary as foreign secretary and dodgy projects as London mayor did not detract from his appeal. He keeps his popularity whatever and it's beginning to rankle some of his own side.
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Post by camdenshrew on Apr 29, 2021 12:42:42 GMT 1
I hear what you are saying. But lovable rogue? The guy is a Grade A . Anybody who can't see through the bluster and buffoonery and not find a deeply untrustworthy, entitled, selfish, nasty and vindictive individual is an appalling judge of character.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 29, 2021 12:45:25 GMT 1
But that’s the point surely there are far too many who either can’t or don’t want to see through him, sadly.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 29, 2021 12:58:19 GMT 1
That picture of him losing his temper with Starmer at PMQs doesn’t show a “loveable rogue”.
The reality is he’s anything but that.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 29, 2021 13:06:34 GMT 1
That picture of him losing his temper with Starmer at PMQs doesn’t show a “loveable rogue”. The reality is he’s anything but that. Unfortunately the man on the Clapham omnibus has not worked that out yet.
But, “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”
― Abraham Lincoln
We'll see.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 29, 2021 13:11:16 GMT 1
That picture of him losing his temper with Starmer at PMQs doesn’t show a “loveable rogue”. The reality is he’s anything but that. The biggest issue for the Labour Party is that the working class identify with this bloke more than the party they’ve traditionally voted for. I get people saying Starmer should be going after the policies, but peeling back the mask is equally important. People vote on personality as well as policy.
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