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Post by bordersalopian on Aug 10, 2015 18:33:44 GMT 1
3yr deal? Undisclosed fee...I hope that there's add ons? They obviously rate the lad and are happy to avoid a tribunal? Either way, although a gamble buy the club to hold on for more money it seems to have paid off. 6-figure sum?
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Post by mightyshrew on Aug 10, 2015 18:37:48 GMT 1
6 figure fee is all that's given away
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 10, 2015 18:51:51 GMT 1
Good. Now we can move on and forget him. In fact, we can totally ignore him unless of course he comes back to haunt us!!!!!!!
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Post by percy on Aug 10, 2015 18:53:47 GMT 1
Kerching- excellent business - another Mason Springthorpe.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 10, 2015 18:55:36 GMT 1
I hope part of the develop squad training is a manual named, "Basic Manners For Beginners"
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 10, 2015 18:58:01 GMT 1
I hope part of the develop squad training is a manual named, "Basic Manners For Beginners" Well we are told that Burnley conducted the negotiations very professionally and in the right manner so ...............
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 19:04:50 GMT 1
Good luck to the lad. And glad for us that it's all now sorted.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 19:17:55 GMT 1
Hope he does well up there. Another decent young player honed in our youth team.
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Post by blazey on Aug 10, 2015 19:32:52 GMT 1
Six-figures in return for 2 years in the youth-set up and less than 45 minutes of first-team action sounds like a cracking bit of business.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 20:37:14 GMT 1
6 figure fee is all that's given away Is there STFC confirmation it is a six figure fee?
I struggle with the point in stating an undisclosed 6 figure fee!
Why state it's undisclosed apart from the fact it's come from the sloppy star, does that mean we got over 200k or 300k or 400k ........thought not?
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Aug 10, 2015 21:10:21 GMT 1
Good riddance.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Aug 10, 2015 21:17:27 GMT 1
Ta-ra
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Post by markglasgow on Aug 10, 2015 21:28:18 GMT 1
Thankfully the saga ends. Hopefully we got what we were looking for.
Can only wish the lad good luck for the future... Especially if we have performance based add ons to cash in on.
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Aug 10, 2015 21:37:28 GMT 1
I hope part of the develop squad training is a manual named, "Basic Manners For Beginners" Well we are told that Burnley conducted the negotiations very professionally and in the right manner so ............... I am sure Burnley knew we were tight on our budget last week before signing AA and JG. This week we don't look so needy. No coincidence in my opinion. Sound business acumen from both clubs playing the situation for what it is/was
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Post by Dale on Aug 10, 2015 21:40:18 GMT 1
Glad it's all done now, we can move on and so can he, think he's been ill advised but players will occasionally take risks as we all do in life when we change employers so good luck to him.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 10, 2015 21:50:40 GMT 1
We still have Connor and Ryan and a six figure sum, we have done well!
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 10, 2015 22:58:54 GMT 1
I hope part of the development squad training is a manual named, "Basic Manners For Beginners"
Any road up, he's young, so good luck.
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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 11, 2015 8:16:07 GMT 1
Good luck to the player, but I hope his agent never again crosses the threshold of Planet Greenhous.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 9:21:27 GMT 1
I've been surprised at the amount of bitterness we've shown. A young lad, with ambition, probably under the influence of an agent. As far as I'm concerned he has acted in exactly the same way that most young people have acted at some point, myself included (when i was young).
How many of us can honestly say we've never avoided speaking to someone, ignored the phone, avoided meeting someone etc, because we are scared of how they are going to react. My own son has done this to me umpteen times and you eventually end up drawing your own conclusions, which are almost invariably wrong.
No its not the way to do business, but he is a young footballer, not alan sugar. I wish him well.
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 11, 2015 9:27:10 GMT 1
But that didn't stop his agent acting professionally.
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Post by TheFoz on Aug 11, 2015 10:41:37 GMT 1
The only thing that has annoyed me in this saga is him not picking up the phone. Maybe, he thought his contract rejections gave Micky the message he wasn't coming back?
No problem with the lad going, he was only here for 2 years and we hardly gave him loads of game time (3 cameos). If we had him since a young age and gave him 20-30 games last year then I'd be a bit more annoyed.
Burnley have a very good manager and will be battling at the top end of The Championship. Young players such as Ings and Trippier have just earnt moves to big clubs so it is understandable that Ginnelly would move there.
Hopefully he does well and we can earn a bit from any potential sell on clause.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 11:02:27 GMT 1
But that didn't stop his agent acting professionally. Is this in answer to my comment buddy? if so, I'm not sure i understand your point?
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 11, 2015 11:28:40 GMT 1
Your reasoning worked well for a young, teenage lad but not for someone who is older, and presumably calls himself a professional football agent.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Aug 11, 2015 11:40:32 GMT 1
I've been surprised at the amount of bitterness we've shown. A young lad, with ambition, probably under the influence of an agent. As far as I'm concerned he has acted in exactly the same way that most young people have acted at some point, myself included (when i was young). How many of us can honestly say we've never avoided speaking to someone, ignored the phone, avoided meeting someone etc, because we are scared of how they are going to react. My own son has done this to me umpteen times and you eventually end up drawing your own conclusions, which are almost invariably wrong. No its not the way to do business, but he is a young footballer, not alan sugar. I wish him well. Maybe so, difference is he disrespected MY football club.
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Post by billynomates on Aug 11, 2015 11:49:00 GMT 1
Your reasoning worked well for a young, teenage lad but not for someone who is older, and presumably calls himself a professional football agent. Invariably an agent will look after the interests of more than one player at the club so if in this case this agent has upset the club then he may regret it further down the line. The role of the agent is to get the best deal for the player and, ultimately for himself. That is his remit in life. In Ginnelly's case he has done just that. Dont talk about mercenary agents and then forget how STFC are trying to unload professional footballers with whom they have signed on legally binding contracts and then expecting them to walk away from those contracts in order to facilitate additional signings. Ginnelly has now signed a three year contract for a major Championship club and will no doubt look at the salary that he earned at Greenhous Towers as mere chicken feed. Without the persistence of that same agent he may not have had the ability to negotiate what he has now got. If in the future bit all goes pear shaped at least he has tried.
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 11, 2015 12:24:53 GMT 1
I don't think I said he was mercenary just unprofessional and I totally agree with you that it works both ways with the club. I still think not replying to phone calls is not a good example to set a young player.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 12:35:32 GMT 1
A few years ago I'd have called him arrogant & showing a distinct lack of loyalty to a club who him in after he was on the scrapheap, similarly I would have been slating his agent for being so money orienated rather than necessarily what is best for his client.
But now I think there's no loyalty in football from anyone (players or clubs) and its a short career so he's doing what he thinks is best for him. Yes people can say that Woods & Goldson have benefitted from stopping and use the example of Mason Springthorpe who left too early but there's also players who stopped and didn't kick on, Tolley & Karl Murray are two examples, Luke Rodgers is probably another one who stopped with us for too long.
I know many people have said he's acted unprofessionally but he is any worse than the likes of Collins & Grandison who have hardly covered themselves in glory with us & contracts in recent years yet they are still treated as heros. And whilst the lack of phone call seems unprofessional, would have him saying "Sorry Mickey, I want to go to a bigger club" really made the whole situation more acceptable?
I can understand why people aren't happy with him and as I've said I would have been the same years ago, maybe its just acceptance of the way the modern game operates which means I'm no longer surprised and don't get worked up by it.
That said, if he plays against us then he will naturally get a lot of abuse from me!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 13:19:02 GMT 1
The only loyalty left in football is from the fans who turn up every week or follow their clubs via other means
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Post by billynomates on Aug 11, 2015 14:14:29 GMT 1
The lack of communication between the relevant parties has in the main come from newspapers who play the guessing game very much like the followers of this message board. It may well be that the club were fully aware of the plans of the agent and his young protege. I am sure that there is much more going on behind the scenes than any of the local media know. I so wish that people wouldnt act on the most basic of rumours and hearsay and, therefore restricted their allegations to facts rather than unsubstantiated rumours.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 15:30:04 GMT 1
I've been surprised at the amount of bitterness we've shown. A young lad, with ambition, probably under the influence of an agent. As far as I'm concerned he has acted in exactly the same way that most young people have acted at some point, myself included (when i was young). How many of us can honestly say we've never avoided speaking to someone, ignored the phone, avoided meeting someone etc, because we are scared of how they are going to react. My own son has done this to me umpteen times and you eventually end up drawing your own conclusions, which are almost invariably wrong. No its not the way to do business, but he is a young footballer, not alan sugar. I wish him well. Maybe so, difference is he disrespected MY football club. Oh please!
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