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Post by davycrockett on Jul 31, 2015 15:18:48 GMT 1
The word up here is that we rejected a bid of 400k. How much do we think we are going to get for a player who we've only schooled for 2 years and has played a handful of mins in the first team. If the bid amount rumours are correct and we use the Collins tribunal case as a guideline, then could we have dropped the ball with this one? I trust MW to do the right thing however and since it's also been reported that Burnley are to come back with a second bid we could be getting much more for the lad than I certainly hoped! Let's hope we can tie it up quickly and move on. Millwall next Saturday! Yes but 'the word up here' is just as likely to be a guess or a figure put out by his agent, unless you know where 'the word' comes from and can enlighten us
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 15:32:26 GMT 1
Any tribunal will also take into account the offer we made to JG so if we only offered him £200pw, we will get significantly lower than if we offered him £2k a week.....
If we offered him £300pw on a 1 year contract, our valuation of him would be £15,600.....
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Post by northwestman on Jul 31, 2015 16:04:44 GMT 1
If the rumour that Burnley offered 400k is true, that sounds good money to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 16:05:23 GMT 1
We rejected 400k for an untried scrote , bloody hell, that seems to be a good deal . If we were offered 400k plus a% of any further transactions I think we should snatch their hand off . No need to be greedy now is there . Let Burnley take the risk whilst we take the money and keep,JLAA and JG. Happy days or am I missing something.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 31, 2015 16:10:44 GMT 1
Maybe there is a little in the Danny Ings tribunal... if they get Liverpool over barrel and get 10 Mill for him... does it play into our favor when they are the ones trying to extract a better deal out of a smaller club?
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 31, 2015 16:12:27 GMT 1
Also Downie, i'm certain the deal he was offered was a 2 year one, and on a bit more than you have posted... still not mega bucks, but i would bet it was done knowing the future fee from a tribunal we would get as town probs knew he wanted out some time back... Hence a better offer, to help our chances at this point and probs the reason he can sign up two tried and tested league 1/2 players in GG and JLAA.
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Post by CopthorneShrew on Jul 31, 2015 17:07:41 GMT 1
Come off it guys - no way have we rejected 400k. I reckon the bid was 50k tops.
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Post by TheFoz on Jul 31, 2015 17:45:50 GMT 1
I think under EPPP we would have got around 25k for him.
I think he is too old to come under those regulations now but I think we will be lucky to get 100k for him as he has only been here for a couple of years and not played a lot.
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Post by shrewswolf on Jul 31, 2015 17:51:35 GMT 1
Matt Williams said we are willing to take our chances on Ginnelly going to Scotland because the offer we rejected would make no difference to our dealings anyway. So very low and not 400k.
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Post by markglasgow on Jul 31, 2015 19:03:04 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 19:12:09 GMT 1
Also Downie, i'm certain the deal he was offered was a 2 year one, and on a bit more than you have posted... still not mega bucks, but i would bet it was done knowing the future fee from a tribunal we would get as town probs knew he wanted out some time back... Hence a better offer, to help our chances at this point and probs the reason he can sign up two tried and tested league 1/2 players in GG and JLAA. I have no idea what was offered to him, i was using that as a marker for people to try to understand a valuation
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 19:20:17 GMT 1
In my opinion the rejected bid would have been closer to £4,000 than £400,000.
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Post by blazey on Jul 31, 2015 19:24:41 GMT 1
An interesting bit of background on Josh Ginnelly from his pen-piece in the Tranmere programme last season:
"... I suffered an injury at [Aston] Villa which stalled my career and I lost my confidence.
It was a growth spurt problem and I was out for two years between under-14s and under-16s, and as I came back I just couldn't get my touch back in time.
When it came to the scholarship decision it was a no, so I came to Shrewsbury where I'm now trying to build myself back up.
I just didn't believe in myself... I didn't have what I used to have but hopefully I'll get it back soon."
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Post by onthepitch on Jul 31, 2015 19:59:39 GMT 1
I wonder if the £400k is based on appearances in their first team and so on? If so the initial fee could be much lower.
Either way, if the turned down fee is correct at £400k just imagine what Salop value Woods and Goldson at!?
This time next year Rodney...
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Post by markglasgow on Jul 31, 2015 20:56:30 GMT 1
I wonder if the £400k is based on appearances in their first team and so on? If so the initial fee could be much lower. Either way, if the turned down fee is correct at £400k just imagine what Salop value Woods and Goldson at!? This time next year Rodney... So it seems MW said this..... 'I`m not disclosing how much the offer was but if we'd have accepted it, it wouldn't have made a difference to what we want to do. Burnley are doing what they think is right for their development group. But we've done some due diligence and research into similar cases that have gone to tribunal and we know where we should be and what we should be getting and we've told that to the agent and Burnley. We have no issue with Burnley - they're a great club and I know their chief executive very well from his time at Bradford. We've had a couple of open discussions with them and we'll remain in dialogue with them.' We need circa £150k to finance AA & JG's contracts. If the £400K offer has any credence then it's likely as OTP suggests above. Based on the player's future progress. Unfortunately we need cash now.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 31, 2015 21:55:14 GMT 1
An interesting bit of background on Josh Ginnelly from his pen-piece in the Tranmere programme last season: "... I suffered an injury at [Aston] Villa which stalled my career and I lost my confidence.
It was a growth spurt problem and I was out for two years between under-14s and under-16s, and as I came back I just couldn't get my touch back in time.
When it came to the scholarship decision it was a no, so I came to Shrewsbury where I'm now trying to build myself back up.
I just didn't believe in myself... I didn't have what I used to have but hopefully I'll get it back soon."Presumably then Shrewsbury had a lot to do with him regaining his 'belief'!! Makes his behaviour and lack of manners even more appalling as far as I am concerned.
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Post by onthepitch on Aug 1, 2015 19:47:33 GMT 1
Sounds like Burnley have upped their initial bid and MM is confident the two clubs will come to an agreement.
Happy days if so... Grando and JLAA get your pens ready!
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 3, 2015 12:31:05 GMT 1
According to the Shropshire Star we have rejected a second bid from Burnley but are still optimistic the transfer will go through!!!
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Post by ipswichshrews on Aug 3, 2015 12:33:27 GMT 1
According to the Shropshire Star we have rejected a second bid from Burnley but are still optimistic the transfer will go through!!! risky game if we need money for the JLAA and Grandison signings. Hope Burnley do return with a third offer.
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 3, 2015 12:34:41 GMT 1
That's what I'm thinking to be honest. Hope naivety isn't going to cost us.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 3, 2015 12:53:42 GMT 1
That's what I'm thinking to be honest. Hope naivety isn't going to cost us. Nothing naive about being commercially hard-headed - and we don't know how much has been offered. It's not a passing interest from Burnley as he's been training with them. I can't believe we'd turn down two offers if it wasn't obvious that Burnley were keen and maybe the second offer doesn't leave too much of a gap between us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 12:58:35 GMT 1
For those thinking that any money received for JG is the answer to signing the other 2 seriously need to get there heads out of there arses.... he is not going to be valued at much, Bradshaw had been with us far longer, and achieved more, such as first team appearances and so on, and we got in the region of £250k..... will be lucky to get half of that for JG....
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Post by TheFoz on Aug 3, 2015 13:04:09 GMT 1
For those thinking that any money received for JG is the answer to signing the other 2 seriously need to get there heads out of there arses.... he is not going to be valued at much, Bradshaw had been with us far longer, and achieved more, such as first team appearances and so on, and we got in the region of £250k..... will be lucky to get half of that for JG.... Did we really get that much for Bradshaw? Yeah I agree, hopefully we can get add ons and a sell on clause include in the JG deal.
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 3, 2015 13:15:37 GMT 1
For those thinking that any money received for JG is the answer to signing the other 2 seriously need to get there heads out of there arses.... he is not going to be valued at much, Bradshaw had been with us far longer, and achieved more, such as first team appearances and so on, and we got in the region of £250k..... will be lucky to get half of that for JG.... Except it states in the Star that the signings do depend on this - not that they can be relied on!!!!! MM says he is on a 'learning curve' hence my statement about naivety. we don't know what JG is worth true but neither do we know how much we need to re-sign the other players before we break the rules. For all we know it may not be that much.
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 3, 2015 14:46:37 GMT 1
For those thinking that any money received for JG is the answer to signing the other 2 seriously need to get there heads out of there arses.... he is not going to be valued at much, Bradshaw had been with us far longer, and achieved more, such as first team appearances and so on, and we got in the region of £250k..... will be lucky to get half of that for JG.... I don't think we got anything like that for Bradshaw... If you remember we cocked up the offer we made to him by not improving on the contract he was already on (or even made a lower offer) so Walsall could sign him without compensation and what they paid was merely a token. Or somthing like this. We did get £200K for Collins from Swindon awarded by a tribuneral which was way over what Swindon thought it would be hence his move to Scotland.
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Aug 3, 2015 14:49:02 GMT 1
For those thinking that any money received for JG is the answer to signing the other 2 seriously need to get there heads out of there arses.... he is not going to be valued at much, Bradshaw had been with us far longer, and achieved more, such as first team appearances and so on, and we got in the region of £250k..... will be lucky to get half of that for JG.... I don't think we got anything like that for Bradshaw... If you remember we cocked up the offer we made to him by not improving on the contract he was already on (or even made a lower offer) so Walsall could sign him without compensation and what they paid was merely a token. Or somthing like this. We did get £200K for Collins from Swindon awarded by a tribuneral which was way over what Swindon thought it would be hence his move to Scotland. We got nothing for tommy bradshaw
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 14:59:36 GMT 1
I don't think we got anything like that for Bradshaw... If you remember we cocked up the offer we made to him by not improving on the contract he was already on (or even made a lower offer) so Walsall could sign him without compensation and what they paid was merely a token. Or somthing like this. We did get £200K for Collins from Swindon awarded by a tribuneral which was way over what Swindon thought it would be hence his move to Scotland. We got nothing for tommy bradshaw Public record says we did.
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 3, 2015 15:03:06 GMT 1
I thought the problem was that someone at the club made a mess up and we didn't get as much as we should've done?
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Post by northwestman on Aug 3, 2015 15:27:16 GMT 1
I thought the problem was that someone at the club made a mess up and we didn't get as much as we should've done? If that's the case, it won't have been the 1st time that things have been handled badly. Bickerton was totally unaware that the small print inserted into the Hart contract by Man City meant that it had to be either Euro or World Cup games played by Joe for England for us to get the extra money. He also didn't handle the Constable transfer at all well, leading to some sharp words from the Oxford Chairman. And our failure to put in a clause preventing Jake Robinson playing against us whilst on loan to Torquay wasn't too clever either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 15:28:37 GMT 1
We got nothing for tommy bradshaw Public record says we did. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27978890, undisclosed (it wasn't nothing!), who knows! To be honest if we got 100k for Ginnelly i would be happy with that, hardly played in the first team and we haven't put that much development into him as we had him off Villa. i have no idea where the Rangers forum plucked the figure from. If you remember we only got 400k for Taylor, or so. He nowhere near the first team regular as Taylor was. But if the figure is higher to keep the out of contract players then that's what they are holding out for, to be honest who would pay anymore for an untested player. I honestly cant see him going to the Conference North, the only other option is Scotland. That does worry me as we would get nothing for him. He needs a place to make mistakes and learn in the first team in league 1 or 2 all the under 21 football is a graveyard for English talent, its a shame. Some of the players we have on loan the last 3 seasons have all been learning, hence they are allowed out on loan. But maybe at 18 you want to be look at me i play for Norwich, Burnley. Maybe in a few years will will have him back.
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