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Post by northwestman on Jul 15, 2015 22:21:11 GMT 1
If the club had released him at the end of his scholarship,as with the other released scholars they don't give a damn about them,so why should he with the club. This, I'm afraid. JG and JLAA were presumably mulling over their own careers on a well-deserved holiday, only to get back and find the club had filled up the wage budget with new players in their absence and now they aren't getting paid! Was the club wrong to do this? No. It's just the way it goes. It has to protect its own interests. But it's important that people remember it's not a charity - it's been "nurturing" Ginnelly for the past few years because it thinks he'll make it a fast buck, not because it's some bleeding-heart orphanage. For the record, I'm slightly irritated by this saga too, mostly because it's preventing us from being able to settle on a budget to finalize our own match squad (of which it's quite obvious Ginnelly isn't going to be a member) but you've got to remember that he's only a kid, this is probably the biggest opportunity of his lifetime, and we haven't even heard his side of the story. And what might his side of the story be? If it had any validity, then I'm sure his agent would have wasted no time in publicising it.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 16, 2015 13:58:34 GMT 1
It's been about a week since the news from MM about no contact, things may of moved on where contact may of been made ahead of his trial with Norwich. Guess work I know. Things though seem to be coming to an conclusion with him not re-signing for us. No contact whatsoever. MW - "I saw he had played for Norwich but we haven't heard anything from him or his agent." from today's Shropshire Star. Just wish his agent would come clean and say that he's trying to get Ginnelly signed up with anyone else other than Shrewsbury, but will regard us as the last chance saloon if all else fails. Mind you, on 2nd thoughts I don't think he needs to tell us that, as it's pretty obvious from his total lack of communication that we are of little interest. If we were, he'd surely be pressing for an increased offer from us.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Jul 16, 2015 14:32:01 GMT 1
It's been about a week since the news from MM about no contact, things may of moved on where contact may of been made ahead of his trial with Norwich. Guess work I know. Things though seem to be coming to an conclusion with him not re-signing for us. No contact whatsoever. MW - "I saw he had played for Norwich but we haven't heard anything from him or his agent." from today's Shropshire Star. Just wish his agent would come clean and say that he's trying to get Ginnelly signed up with anyone else other than Shrewsbury, but will regard us as the last chance saloon if all else fails. Mind you, on 2nd thoughts I don't think he needs to tell us that, as it's pretty obvious from his total lack of communication that we are of little interest. If we were, he'd surely be pressing for an increased offer from us. yep, no contact made.
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Post by QuorndonShrew on Jul 17, 2015 0:40:41 GMT 1
Agree with Liam, this club has hardly covered itself in glory with the way it has mishandled contract issues over the last few years and the mistreatment of one or two players.
Interesting to hear Mellon talk today about how some players are 'dragging their feet' and refusing to move to clubs that are showing significant interest in them. Surely when you sit down with a player and sign off a two year deal then that player is within their rights to not be forced out of the club after 12 months and turn down any offers of settlement packages.
It's a two way street I'm afraid.
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Post by mrbunny on Jul 17, 2015 10:43:33 GMT 1
Agree with Liam, this club has hardly covered itself in glory with the way it has mishandled contract issues over the last few years and the mistreatment of one or two players. Interesting to hear Mellon talk today about how some players are 'dragging their feet' and refusing to move to clubs that are showing significant interest in them. Surely when you sit down with a player and sign off a two year deal then that player is within their rights to not be forced out of the club after 12 months and turn down any offers of settlement packages. It's a two way street I'm afraid. I guess they are but surely they would rather get a club and play than sit in our reserves with no chance of a match and then be a forgotten man in 12 months and more than likely struggle to get a new club as they haven't played for nearly 2 years.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 17, 2015 11:09:31 GMT 1
I've not read the Ginnelly threads and am astonished to see that they have reached a cumultive 8 pages.
I just can't understand the interest in a player who is peripheral to the team (and that's being kind), doesn't fit in with our playing system, doesn't want to play for us and has shown an unpardonable lack of respect to the club.
Eight pages devoted to a non entity must be great for his inflated ego.
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Post by shrewblue on Jul 17, 2015 11:58:39 GMT 1
8 pages does seem over the top ...I think it's partially because there is nothing much else to discuss DC...
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Post by markglasgow on Jul 18, 2015 1:25:38 GMT 1
I've not read the Ginnelly threads and am astonished to see that they have reached a cumultive 8 pages. I just can't understand the interest in a player who is peripheral to the team (and that's being kind), doesn't fit in with our playing system, doesn't want to play for us and has shown an unpardonable lack of respect to the club. Eight pages devoted to a non entity must be great for his inflated ego. The lad seems to be our is our Raheem Sterling or Fabian Delph. Some fans crave loyalty and integrity from players, despite the fact it's simply not in their best interests to offer such luxuries. Perspective is required here. If young Ginnelly funds either JLAA or JG for a season or two then I reckon we'll have done quite alright. For every Joe Hart we know there is so much unfulfilled potential. Indeed, unless we move our own Ryan and Connor on for an acceptable fee then there will be the feeling that we may have missed the boat with these prime assets too.
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Post by Myddleshrew on Jul 18, 2015 11:09:44 GMT 1
Just wish he would **** off and sign for someone tbh it's getting boring now and the future fee will help us out. I do think he wants to sign but it's this t**ts aka agents ruining young players careers
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Post by ellesmerian on Jul 18, 2015 11:48:10 GMT 1
Maybe he hasn't signed as he knew he was Telford bound with, or instead, of Kaiman Anderson. With interest from Norwich and even only the likelihood of playing in the U21s, it's not an easy decision. U21s in front of 10,405 at Carrow Road with a realistic Premier League dream alive or 1500 at the Bucks Head. Norwich U21 attendance 10,405
I reckon no-one will sign him and he'll end up signed to us and out on loan this season. I suggest most Premier League and Championships teams have a handful of lads of his age and ability already on their books. We've had a few of these in a similar/better positions come here on loan last year and not make an impact, and that was League 2. In an ideal world for me, he'll stay, he'll become a star and we can sell him on for a lot more than the compo we'll receive if he goes this summer.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 18, 2015 19:57:06 GMT 1
With the attitude he's displayed towards the Club, I hope that if we do get him back that we loan him to Accrington so he can enjoy playing in front of two men and a dog on a freezing Tuesday night.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 9:38:20 GMT 1
None of the 3 trialists were taken on the Norwich U21 tour of Austria, Ginnelly is now training with Burnley.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Jul 28, 2015 9:45:13 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jul 28, 2015 9:45:14 GMT 1
Thought he was supposed to be the stand out performer when he played for Norwich.
Well, they made their minds up quite quickly then. So onward to Burnley. Who's paying him I wonder?
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Post by northwestman on Jul 28, 2015 9:47:26 GMT 1
I see he's still not contacted MM then and left him guessing as to his whereabouts.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 28, 2015 10:14:55 GMT 1
I think we can take it as a given that neither he nor his agent have any interest in Shrewsbury. He can go where he likes as far as I am concerned. Just hope whoever signs him though, remembers he's not particularly good at keeping in touch when his contract is up!!!!!
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Post by northwestman on Jul 28, 2015 10:35:48 GMT 1
I think we can take it as a given that neither he nor his agent have any interest in Shrewsbury. He can go where he likes as far as I am concerned. Just hope whoever signs him though, remembers he's not particularly good at keeping in touch when his contract is up!!!!! The trouble is..no one might sign him. And then we are stuck with a player who clearly is only with us as a last resort to pick up some wages.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 28, 2015 10:46:16 GMT 1
Only if he signs his contract and who's to say the club won't cut its losses, save his salary and withdraw the offer. If no one wants him by now perhaps he's not quite as talented at a higher level as we think.
However, given MMs links with Burnley it could be this is the club for him.
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Post by mrxeh on Jul 28, 2015 21:14:37 GMT 1
On the Burnley footy mad forum some comments from Micky Mellon about JG training with them as "work experience"
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Post by mrxeh on Jul 28, 2015 21:16:10 GMT 1
boards.footymad.net/clarets-mad/2109900523
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 28, 2015 22:06:30 GMT 1
On the Burnley footy mad forum some comments from Micky Mellon about JG training with them as "work experience" You mean they might teach him how to use a telephone!!!!!!
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Post by Dale on Jul 28, 2015 22:41:30 GMT 1
The Burnley fans on that forum seem to think MM has sent Ginnelly up there with his blessing!
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Post by markglasgow on Jul 28, 2015 22:59:46 GMT 1
It's clear that MM is taking the moral high ground here. MM firmly believes STFC is the best place for Ginnelly to develop. It's great to see him being so cool and casual about a situation he'll have seen play out many times before. I for one won't berate him for going to see what teams like Norwich and Burnley have to offer. I hope he does come back and fulfils his potential with us and we can truly cash in on a valuable asset.
Amongst the outrage and the hyperbole lets take a moment to consider how effective our youth academy is now becoming. Woods, Goldson, Ginelley, Anderson, Smith, Burton & Rowley could make our short term future very secure indeed. Here's hoping that the likes of Harry Lewis, Ethan Jones, Tom King, Chris Gallagher etc can come through the ranks to similar effect.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 23:44:20 GMT 1
Played for their U21s tonight. if we get a six figure sum and sell on clause and Grandison and JLAA as a result then happy days! If he stays then I that's exciting too, the lad's clearly got potential.
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Post by markglasgow on Jul 28, 2015 23:58:58 GMT 1
Rumours on Twitter reckon that Burnley got their man....
@andyash1979 Ginelly apparently signed today according to reports.
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Post by TheFoz on Jul 29, 2015 0:21:26 GMT 1
To be fair, the lad has only been here a couple of years and only made a few cameo appearances so he doesn't really owe us too much. If we had him for a while and gave him a lot of game time last season then it's a bit different.
We picked him up on a free and now he will be earning us some money (hopefully a decent amount following Butnley's spell in the Premier League).
I would have loved him to stay as he seems a very exciting prospect but after seeing the likes of Ings and Trippier flourish at Burnley and earn moves to bigger clubs I can understand why he would move there.
All the best in the future and hopefully he can earn us even more money if he gets sold on in the future.
Some of the reaction on here has been completely over the top though.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 29, 2015 7:59:57 GMT 1
I don't think any self respecting football fan would wish nothing but great success to a young lad in their career. What has irritated a lot of us is the sheer lack of courtesy and manners (which cost nothing) shown to the club that took him on after Villa deemed him not good enough.
Mind you Collins was the same with GT and messed us about. He was welcomed back by most so I suppose these days manners mean nothing.
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Post by Exkeeper on Jul 29, 2015 8:06:27 GMT 1
Very true. I wonder if Collo had the same agent as Ginnelly? He would seem to be at the heart of the problem, he deals with matters like this as part of his remit, so should have the decency to keep STFC informed even if he does not intend his client to take up our offer. Surely he needs to have some idea of the sort of compensation figure we are looking out, so that he can brief interested parties.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 29, 2015 8:35:35 GMT 1
Indeed. Several times during this saga I have wondered if it's the same agent. No wonder clubs and managers on the whole loathe them.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Jul 29, 2015 9:19:50 GMT 1
I don't think any self respecting football fan would wish nothing but great success to a young lad in their career. What has irritated a lot of us is the sheer lack of courtesy and manners (which cost nothing) shown to the club that took him on after Villa deemed him not good enough. Mind you Collins was the same with GT and messed us about. He was welcomed back by most so I suppose these days manners mean nothing. Massive difference between what Collins had done in our promotion season in 2012 and what part Ginelley played last season. Glad the saga is over it seems, makes us some money and we get rid of a want away player. He showed the club a lack of respect, some of the comments on here was deserved and not OTT at all.
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