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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 8:22:03 GMT 1
Surprised he didn't " develop" an injury during the over His next over was his big over. That was a great come back after going for 28 runs in his previous over. Rashid has certainly taken some punishment so far in this series but so have the other bowlers on both sides!
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Post by siabod on Jun 18, 2015 8:42:24 GMT 1
His next over was his big over. That was a great come back after going for 28 runs in his previous over. Rashid has certainly taken some punishment so far in this series but so have the other bowlers on both sides! Agree great comeback, full marks to Morgan for giving Rashid the last over had he not done so it could have been the last England appearance for the young man. I am not his biggest fan but wish him well,didn't Broad go for 36 once and he bounced back (excuse the bounce bit).
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Post by lenny on Jun 18, 2015 12:32:41 GMT 1
Graeme Swann said that the final over Rashid bowled told him more about him than having watched him bowl all his other overs. Still think that he's been shown as not ready for international cricket just yet, though, and it would appear that the selectors agree: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/33181437. Interesting to see if we go for a 5 man seam attack plus Root, and try and prepare pitches that won't turn as a possible way to blunt Nathan Lyon - if the Aussies have a weakness, it's that they only have three real seam options (I'm discounting Smith and Watson - although the latter is pretty useful, they don't seem to use him that often). Obviously Hazlewood, Johnson and Starc is a pretty formidable trio (when you're leaving Ryan Harris out your team, you know you're going well!) but if one of them doesn't fire (have to be looking at Johnson, who will suit English conditions least) and there's no turn, that's when we might give ourselves a chance. Pretty convoluted, but there you are.
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Post by bertymax on Jun 18, 2015 12:51:18 GMT 1
That was a great come back after going for 28 runs in his previous over. Rashid has certainly taken some punishment so far in this series but so have the other bowlers on both sides! Agree great comeback, full marks to Morgan for giving Rashid the last over had he not done so it could have been the last England appearance for the young man. I am not his biggest fan but wish him well,didn't Broad go for 36 once and he bounced back (excuse the bounce bit). Its a shame to read rashid hasn't made the pre Ashes squad but I'd like to think he has a future in Test cricket for England and I hope he is not being judged on 4 ODI's against a pretty dynamic opposition who would scorch any bowling attack in the world. Rashid has gone for runs in 3 of the 4 games so far but the pitches havn't offered any bowler much, especially the spinners who have all gone for mega runs.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Jun 18, 2015 12:54:17 GMT 1
They don't use Watson much because they can't - he seizes up like the tin man after bowling a couple of overs. I've seen more flexible glass.
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Post by vanner on Jun 18, 2015 12:57:19 GMT 1
If we produce fast wickets we'll get thrashed. Their fast bowling is vastly superior to ours, even if we were to go with a 5 man seam attack of Stokes, Woods, Anderson, Broad and say Jordan, I would still rather have Johnson, Starc, Hazelwood and Watson with Lyon backing up. Lyon is an extremely capable bowler in all conditions and provides control. Something we don't have.
We'll win the ashes if we score big runs so Cook, Ballance, Bell and Root are key, if they score 6/7 hundreds between them we'll have plenty of runs to play with.
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Post by lenny on Jun 18, 2015 13:46:53 GMT 1
Yes, I wasn't advocating fast wickets at all. Just non-spinny ones. Lyon is exactly the kind of spinner we could do with, but our spin is a massive concern, especially with the Aussies' batting being vulnerable to it. Saw some teenager 7 wickets for Notts on his debut the other week...
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Post by northwestman on Jun 18, 2015 15:21:28 GMT 1
Well, sending Moeen back to Worcestershire to play against Warwickshire didn't give him much practice.
Ajmal did most of the spin bowling, whilst Moeen was given about half a dozen overs and failed twice with the bat as Worcestershire were beaten by an innings within 2 days. He'd have had more practice bowling to the Kiwis in the ODIs!
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Post by lenny on Jun 18, 2015 15:24:54 GMT 1
Guessing from Ajmal's figures that it wasn't a pitch particularly conducive to spin. Vital that Bell regains form so nice to see him reaching three figures.
Also, didn't Moeen make about 45 in the first innings? Wouldn't call that a failure, just average.
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Post by vanner on Jun 18, 2015 15:29:31 GMT 1
Yes, I wasn't advocating fast wickets at all. Just non-spinny ones. Lyon is exactly the kind of spinner we could do with, but our spin is a massive concern, especially with the Aussies' batting being vulnerable to it. Saw some teenager 7 wickets for Notts on his debut the other week... Issue you have is non spinning wickets will tend to have a bit of zip. If we pick him he could maybe be our own Ashton Agar!
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Post by northwestman on Jun 18, 2015 15:30:07 GMT 1
So after wasting his time all week being the drinks carrier in the ODIs, and being the only member of the original squad not even to be given a game, James Taylor has now been excluded from the T20 squad against NZ and has been replaced by James Vince.
Needless to say, he's not in the Ashes training squad either.
Who is marking his card?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 18, 2015 15:32:14 GMT 1
So after wasting his time all week being the drinks carrier in the ODIs, and being the only member of the original squad not even to be given a game, James Taylor has now been excluded from the T20 squad against NZ and has been replaced by James Vince. Needless to say, he's not in the Ashes training squad either. Who is marking his card? How would Taylor have improved us this series?
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Post by northwestman on Jun 18, 2015 15:35:47 GMT 1
So after wasting his time all week being the drinks carrier in the ODIs, and being the only member of the original squad not even to be given a game, James Taylor has now been excluded from the T20 squad against NZ and has been replaced by James Vince. Needless to say, he's not in the Ashes training squad either. Who is marking his card? How would Taylor have improved us this series? He could have batted at 5 with Buttler at 6 and Stokes at 7 and offered more than Billings.
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Post by lenny on Jun 18, 2015 16:27:20 GMT 1
Yes, I wasn't advocating fast wickets at all. Just non-spinny ones. Lyon is exactly the kind of spinner we could do with, but our spin is a massive concern, especially with the Aussies' batting being vulnerable to it. Saw some teenager 7 wickets for Notts on his debut the other week... Issue you have is non spinning wickets will tend to have a bit of zip. If we pick him he could maybe be our own Ashton Agar! Just need to keep on producing the roads we're getting in the ODIs and all will be fine!
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Post by vanner on Jun 20, 2015 9:50:13 GMT 1
Decider today. Let's hope the rain stays away.
Looks like bairstow is coming in for Buttler and Mathieson is making his debut for the kiwis.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 20, 2015 10:02:26 GMT 1
If the plan is to replace Buttler with Bairstow if the former isn't fit, what on earth is the point in including Billings in the side in the 1st place? He's not a specialist batsman, yet has been keeping Taylor out of the side.
Incidentally, Taylor was given permission to play for Notts against Yorks at Leeds last night, whereas Bairstow was pulled out of the Yorks side. Where is the logic in this, other than it does tend to suggest that, once again, Taylor will be the drinks carrier? Thus it is reasonable to assume that either Buttler or Bairstow will play, with Billings staying at number 7.
And why call up the Overtons as cover when neither of them play regularly for Somerset in the white ball game?
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Post by northwestman on Jun 20, 2015 10:16:14 GMT 1
Sure enough. Bairstow replaces Buttler. Billings stays at number 7. Taylor doesn't get a game.
England to bowl first.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 20, 2015 10:29:47 GMT 1
Raining at Chester le Street.
Delayed start.
I really hope that Duckworth Lewis doesn't come into play.
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Post by lenny on Jun 20, 2015 12:26:41 GMT 1
Moeen's had a cracking couple of games in the T20 blast, at least. Think he went for 22 for his 4 overs in the first one, and three wickets and scored a rapid half-century yesterday. Given that he's been sent back to Worcestershire to work on his red ball bowling and only sent down 36 balls, we'll have to take any encouragement we can get from his form, especially as he looks nailed on to start the Ashes as our spinner.
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Post by vanner on Jun 20, 2015 13:03:42 GMT 1
153-3 off 31. I think we'll be chasing about 300 which is a very good score in these conditions and on this wicket.
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Post by vanner on Jun 20, 2015 13:07:20 GMT 1
Rashid gets revenge on Santner!
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Post by lenny on Jun 20, 2015 13:08:58 GMT 1
Brilliant bowling from Rashid and Stokes so far standing out, with the rest of the attack going pretty well, too. Rashid giving the selectors something to think about again!
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 20, 2015 13:48:56 GMT 1
Brilliant bowling from Rashid and Stokes so far standing out, with the rest of the attack going pretty well, too. Rashid giving the selectors something to think about again! Too late me thinks...... 2 good game out of 5 probably not enough!
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Post by vanner on Jun 20, 2015 13:49:40 GMT 1
Lovely time to get Elliot. Need to keep taking wickets here, we've got a chance of restricting them to under 260 here.
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Post by vanner on Jun 20, 2015 13:53:30 GMT 1
Well done David Willey!
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Post by lenny on Jun 20, 2015 14:46:47 GMT 1
Brilliant bowling from Rashid and Stokes so far standing out, with the rest of the attack going pretty well, too. Rashid giving the selectors something to think about again! Too late me thinks...... 2 good game out of 5 probably not enough! But then Mo had 0 good games out of 4! Most of these pitches have offered nothing for bowlers, spinners especially, and so I don't think he's done badly at all. Still think Ali will be starting the Ashes as our spinner, but Rashid won't be far behind if he doesn't produce.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 20, 2015 16:00:49 GMT 1
Too late me thinks...... 2 good game out of 5 probably not enough! But then Mo had 0 good games out of 4! Most of these pitches have offered nothing for bowlers, spinners especially, and so I don't think he's done badly at all. Still think Ali will be starting the Ashes as our spinner, but Rashid won't be far behind if he doesn't produce. Where in total agreement
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Post by vanner on Jun 20, 2015 17:13:08 GMT 1
If overs get reduced England's target in the Chester-le-Street ODIs 159 in 20 ov 186 in 25 ov 211 in 30 ov 232 in 35 ov 251 in 40 ov
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Now confirmed 192 is target off 26 overs. Gonna be tough that.
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Post by lenny on Jun 20, 2015 17:19:20 GMT 1
Wow. Another pretty ridiculous target - from needing below 6 an over, which should have been a very do-able run chase to over 7 an over from 26. 7.28 an over isn't much in a normal T20, I guess, but 26 overs? Just doesn't quite seem right to me; have to agree with critics suggesting that DL isn't all that accurate with the way the 50 over game has evolved over the last couple of years.
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Post by vanner on Jun 20, 2015 17:24:59 GMT 1
Wow. Another pretty ridiculous target - from needing below 6 an over, which should have been a very do-able run chase to over 7 an over from 26. 7.28 an over isn't much in a normal T20, I guess, but 26 overs? Just doesn't quite seem right to me; have to agree with critics suggesting that DL isn't all that accurate with the way the 50 over game has evolved over the last couple of years. Whilst I agree DL needs modernising, that's a very gettable score in 26 overs. I'd rather be chasing right now. 7.38 an over isn't a HUGE ask. It all depends on our top 4.
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