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Post by TonyKellysBelly on Aug 24, 2014 20:38:05 GMT 1
Rob, just for clarification, the survey is asking supporters if they would like a change of badge. It is not asking them to vote on a return to the Loggerheads.
The club are fully aware of the numbers in terms of the vote so far and discussions continue on what the next steps may be. There are a number of options being explored and the SP and club are working closely on together.
There has been a lot of hard graft put in by those who have stepped forward to set up the SP and get the change of badge initiative going, it disappoints me when I read comments like you have made today.
I do hope that you find time to come to the next SP meeting
Roger
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Post by suttonshrew on Aug 24, 2014 20:42:45 GMT 1
As far as I'm concerned the goalposts haven't moved. Our initial discussions which were conducted with Martin have continued with Matt Williams. At no point have the club said we need X amount of votes for this to happen. If a number had been put on it I'd have expected them to have relayed this to the group conducting the survey!!
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 24, 2014 21:35:10 GMT 1
I agree we don't need X number of votes. After all, the last time the badge changed, there was Juan vote. We should be able to match or beat that.
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Post by champagneprince on Aug 24, 2014 23:28:50 GMT 1
As far as I'm concerned the goalposts haven't moved. Our initial discussions which were conducted with Martin have continued with Matt Williams. At no point have the club said we need X amount of votes for this to happen. If a number had been put on it I'd have expected them to have relayed this to the group conducting the survey!!
A number to 'aim for' has been put on it (see the posts above). This is different from the original discussion where the majority would have it however many people voted.
Why say 'aim for' if that doesn't actually mean anything different to the what said originally ?
Asking now for a number to 'aim for' is different to what was initially agreed and it's as simple as that and that's enough to surely give anyone some slight doubts that all is as agreed ?
I have doubts and I think it's a good thing that some people do. As always proof is in the pudding, we were sh*t on when Clippy was announced and we don't want to be sh*t on again. Hopefully all is well and it's nothing to worry about, but it's a good thing to ask the question nevertheless.
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Post by Bring Back The Loggerheads on Aug 25, 2014 9:45:32 GMT 1
And keep the faith means what exactly ?
I suppose in this context it means having confidence that the outcome of the current vote will facilitate the removal of the clip art lion and the subsequent return of the Loggerheads. Having suspicions based on the club's past handling of the badge issue is totally understandable, but there's simply nothing to worry about now. STFC set the vote up without any minimum sample number and there has been no indication that they've reneged on this despite an off-the-cuff comment from Matt Williams. If there was any likelihood of this happening, the Supporters Parliament representatives would have been informed immediately and would have made a public announcement. And in any case; the figure mentioned (informally) was 1250. So far, there have been 850ish online votes and another couple of hundred on paper voting slips. We will probably surpass this imaginary 'benchmark' anyway, so it's a moot point.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 12:58:44 GMT 1
Rob, just for clarification, the survey is asking supporters if they would like a change of badge. It is not asking them to vote on a return to the Loggerheads. The club are fully aware of the numbers in terms of the vote so far and discussions continue on what the next steps may be. There are a number of options being explored and the SP and club are working closely on together. There has been a lot of hard graft put in by those who have stepped forward to set up the SP and get the change of badge initiative going, it disappoints me when I read comments like you have made today. I do hope that you find time to come to the next SP meeting Roger I have every intention to make the next meeting, when it is eventually decided when the next meeting will be. Apologies if I come across being sceptical, but STFC appear to be procrastinating and as for the badge vote .........
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Post by Chic on Aug 31, 2014 18:26:56 GMT 1
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Post by Bring Back The Loggerheads on Aug 31, 2014 19:40:25 GMT 1
Is this over 50% of supporters who could be bothered to vote or 50% of Shrewsbury Town supporters as a whole?!? It's a majority of voters only - definitely not the fan base as a whole! E.g. If 20 votes are received in total, and 11 are in favour of changing the badge, the clip art lion will be removed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 19:55:02 GMT 1
Town fans, don't forget you can vote until midnight tonight. Come on, VOTE YES and help us get some identity back. We are getting something to be proud of on the pitch, now lets have a badge to go with it. www.surveymonkey.com/s/BadgeVote
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Post by Bring Back The Loggerheads on Sept 2, 2014 8:37:50 GMT 1
Well, after three months, the voting finally closed yesterday morning.
A sincere Thank You to every man, woman and child who fought for our club's identity by voting 'YES'.
Results to be announced in due course following the Supporters' Parliament meeting.
No Surrender.
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 2, 2014 12:00:45 GMT 1
Well, after three months, the voting finally closed yesterday morning. A sincere Thank You to every man, woman and child who fought for our club's identity by voting 'YES'. Results to be announced in due course following the Supporters' Parliament meeting. No Surrender. You're welcome. I hope it goes with the 'yes' vote. However, even if it doesn't, I will still wear my 'loggerheads' with pride.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Sept 2, 2014 13:10:20 GMT 1
When results out?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 14:28:57 GMT 1
I believe it is due to be announced at tomorrow's Supporters' Parliament meeting. Fingers crossed for a landslide 'YES' victory.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 14:44:37 GMT 1
But i thought the process atated it had to be 50% of supporters voting, which would have to have over 2500 votes cast??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 15:03:40 GMT 1
But i thought the process atated it had to be 50% of supporters voting, which would have to have over 2500 votes cast?? From my understanding, and that of those on the Supporters' Parliament, it is a majority of those supporters that have voted.
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Post by roberto02afcct on Sept 2, 2014 15:06:52 GMT 1
Well it will be interesting to see what the result is, my question is "IF" it is a yes vote will those on here and else where do more to help the SP more with regards to attending the meetings, being vocal BUT respecting the chair of the meetings and accepting what IS voted for and not complaining if things don't go there way weather NO won or YES won. Also if YES has won will there be more people at meetings to help with the development properly of a new badge that is perfect to the clubs identity and is legally one that the club can use regardless if not exactly what people want.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 16:00:19 GMT 1
Well it will be interesting to see what the result is, my question is "IF" it is a yes vote will those on here and else where do more to help the SP more with regards to attending the meetings, being vocal BUT respecting the chair of the meetings and accepting what IS voted for and not complaining if things don't go there way weather NO won or YES won. Also if YES has won will there be more people at meetings to help with the development properly of a new badge that is perfect to the clubs identity and is legally one that the club can use regardless if not exactly what people want. And if No is voted? you will then accept and move on??
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Post by WATR on Sept 2, 2014 16:28:13 GMT 1
But i thought the process atated it had to be 50% of supporters voting, which would have to have over 2500 votes cast?? No, as explained time and time again on here, all that is needed is a majority of the votes cast either way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 16:35:31 GMT 1
taken from website, just seems what your saying looks slightly different to me. The Shrewsbury Town Supporters Parliament (SP) have been tasked by the club to engage with the fans on whether you would like to see a new badge to represent the club. At this stage it's a simple yes or no. If the majority of fans vote yes (over 50% of supporters), the SP we will be asking the fans to put forward ideas on what badge they would like to see on the shirt, modern, historical, simple, detailed it will be up to you. Read more at www.shrewsburytown.com/news/article/13jun14-your-say-on-our-badge-1641981.aspx#7jc6YQodv85Hv82w.99
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Post by WATR on Sept 2, 2014 16:40:19 GMT 1
taken from website, just seems what your saying looks slightly different to me. The Shrewsbury Town Supporters Parliament (SP) have been tasked by the club to engage with the fans on whether you would like to see a new badge to represent the club. At this stage it's a simple yes or no. If the majority of fans vote yes (over 50% of supporters), the SP we will be asking the fans to put forward ideas on what badge they would like to see on the shirt, modern, historical, simple, detailed it will be up to you. Read more at www.shrewsburytown.com/news/article/13jun14-your-say-on-our-badge-1641981.aspx#7jc6YQodv85Hv82w.99To be fair, I can see how that might be a bit misleading, but I am 100% certain that it is just a majority of votes cast that is needed for a decision either way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 16:52:51 GMT 1
How many supporters do the club have Mr D?
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 2, 2014 16:55:08 GMT 1
If the Yes vote were to get 85% + and the club were to turn round and say that less than 50% of the registered supporters had voted in favour of change there would be hell. All the good will of the past few months would go up in smoke.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 16:55:18 GMT 1
Not sure, but they know how many fan numbers are distributed and currently active, so that would be a start, would give you the job but as it requires counting over 11 then that rules you out, you could however apply for that position at the Bucks Head!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 16:57:11 GMT 1
Not sure, but they know how many fan numbers are distributed and currently active, so that would be a start, would give you the job but as it requires counting over 11 then that rules you out, you could however apply for that position at the Bucks Head!! Toss her!!
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Post by thesensationaljt on Sept 2, 2014 18:00:02 GMT 1
But i thought the process atated it had to be 50% of supporters voting, which would have to have over 2500 votes cast?? I think we have to have at least Juan vote. That's how it worked when we got saddled with the comedy lion.
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Post by Bring Back The Loggerheads on Sept 2, 2014 18:17:27 GMT 1
Well it will be interesting to see what the result is, my question is "IF" it is a yes vote will those on here and else where do more to help the SP more with regards to attending the meetings, being vocal BUT respecting the chair of the meetings and accepting what IS voted for and not complaining if things don't go there way weather NO won or YES won. And if No is voted? you will then accept and move on?? Not sure why you've angled that at roberto02afcct! It is well known that he has no preference about the badge - he has nothing to 'move on' from. For those in the YES camp, a victory for 'no' tomorrow evening would be an unmitigated and unrecoverable disaster - both from a campaign point of view, and also for our club's identity.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 18:29:13 GMT 1
And if No is voted? you will then accept and move on?? Not sure why you've angled that at roberto02afcct! It is well known that he has no preference about the badge - he has nothing to 'move on' from. For those in the YES camp, a victory for 'no' tomorrow evening would be an unmitigated and unrecoverable disaster - both from a campaign point of view, and also for our club's identity. Well it was angled as a counter question, As I have no affinity in either group, as I have no strong objection to the current badge, but if it does come out as a no vote, are we going to hear the last of it? or will it keep on going??
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Post by Bring Back The Loggerheads on Sept 2, 2014 18:43:05 GMT 1
For those in the YES camp, a victory for 'no' tomorrow evening would be an unmitigated and unrecoverable disaster - both from a campaign point of view, and also for our club's identity. if it does come out as a no vote, are we going to hear the last of it? or will it keep on going?? What do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 18:52:05 GMT 1
Personally, I think which ever the vote, then that should be respected from all parties, rather than kids throwing dummies out of the pram and crying louder due not being heard the first time, but believe it or not, that's why I asked the question.
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Post by jamo on Sept 2, 2014 18:59:18 GMT 1
Fair play Downie. Carlsberg don't do internet trolls who really misunderstand their brief but if they did then you would currently work for Carlsberg.
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