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Post by mrbunny on Feb 28, 2011 13:50:11 GMT 1
Good luck to England wicketkeeper Steve Davies who has 'come out' in the press today, must be a terribly difficult decision for a 24 year old who is just starting an international career to do. I wish him all the best and i hope he doesn't get abuse for it and helps other sporting stars in some way.
There will always be the odd neanderthal who will give him stick but you can't help smallminded bigots.
Just can't see a footballer announcing it, the stick Justin Fashanu got was disgraceful and i would imagine certain clubs would repeat the abuse, you only have to look at a certain North London club to know what may or maynot happen.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 28, 2011 14:01:25 GMT 1
Hopefully doesn't affect his career.
He says he came out to Andy Flower during the tour of Australia, he was then harshly dropped after one ODI? Conspiracies, conspiracies...
Good luck to the man anyway
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Post by Pilch on Feb 28, 2011 14:03:49 GMT 1
there are going to be a few nervous batsmen Especially when the spinners are on He could stump them at any moment
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Post by DaveG on Feb 28, 2011 14:04:17 GMT 1
Hold on.....I'm really confused now.
Which side does he bat for?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 14:12:29 GMT 1
Good man, now just need the footballers to follow suit
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Post by Dan F on Feb 28, 2011 14:16:28 GMT 1
Interesting.
Oh wait, that's the other one. For his sake I hope people read the whole story when they see this or there could be a lot of bent cue jokes coming his way...
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Post by onthetrain92 on Feb 28, 2011 14:41:43 GMT 1
An Idiot really for doing so, probably ruined his own career, I certainly wouldn't want him in the same dressing room as myself. Not that the guy would fancy me it is just the thought that he could be looking at anyone of us, where does the line get drawn as he now gets the advantage that a lot of women would envy to view inside the mens dressing rooms and showers. In theory its like a man being in a womens dressing room where you can see all there bits and make such judgements. People will not like him or take a different view on him for coming out. Its a very tabboo subject and in the eyes of the lord wrong to be that way inclined. I'd rather these people not come out as they are a minority, it is unfortunate for them that they feel like that, if more do start to come out it may be worth clubs now making extra dressing rooms for such people. Again i'm not being horrible but its just me opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 14:43:56 GMT 1
An Idiot really for doing so, probably ruined his own career, I certainly wouldn't want him in the same dressing room as myself. Not that the guy would fancy me it is just the thought that he could be looking at anyone of us, where does the line get drawn as he now gets the advantage that a lot of women would envy to view inside the mens dressing rooms and showers. In theory its like a man being in a womens dressing room where you can see all there bits and make such judgements. People will not like him or take a different view on him for coming out. Its a very tabboo subject and in the eyes of the lord wrong to be that way inclined. I'd rather these people not come out as they are a minority, it is unfortunate for them that they feel like that, if more do start to come out it may be worth clubs now making extra dressing rooms for such people. Again i'm not being horrible but its just me opinion. Please tell me you aren't for real?!
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Post by mrbunny on Feb 28, 2011 14:47:26 GMT 1
An Idiot really for doing so, probably ruined his own career, I certainly wouldn't want him in the same dressing room as myself. Not that the guy would fancy me it is just the thought that he could be looking at anyone of us, where does the line get drawn as he now gets the advantage that a lot of women would envy to view inside the mens dressing rooms and showers. In theory its like a man being in a womens dressing room where you can see all there bits and make such judgements. People will not like him or take a different view on him for coming out. Its a very tabboo subject and in the eyes of the lord wrong to be that way inclined. I'd rather these people not come out as they are a minority, it is unfortunate for them that they feel like that, if more do start to come out it may be worth clubs now making extra dressing rooms for such people. Again i'm not being horrible but its just me opinion. And this is the first small minded bigot i mentioned. I wonder how you would react if one of your children announced they were gay?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 14:49:15 GMT 1
I can't imagine anyone would want to look at you 'starkers' so you have nothing to worry about, gay man or ugly woman
What incredible views... totally speechless!
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Post by onthetrain92 on Feb 28, 2011 14:50:54 GMT 1
An Idiot really for doing so, probably ruined his own career, I certainly wouldn't want him in the same dressing room as myself. Not that the guy would fancy me it is just the thought that he could be looking at anyone of us, where does the line get drawn as he now gets the advantage that a lot of women would envy to view inside the mens dressing rooms and showers. In theory its like a man being in a womens dressing room where you can see all there bits and make such judgements. People will not like him or take a different view on him for coming out. Its a very tabboo subject and in the eyes of the lord wrong to be that way inclined. I'd rather these people not come out as they are a minority, it is unfortunate for them that they feel like that, if more do start to come out it may be worth clubs now making extra dressing rooms for such people. Again i'm not being horrible but its just me opinion. And this is the first small minded bigot i mentioned. I wonder how you would react if one of your children announced they were gay? If any of my sons turned out gay i wouldn't be very happy. However I would help them in the best way i can. I would certainly not tell them to come out and tell everyone. There life would be hell because of it. A lot of people clearly don't like gay people, I don't mind them to be honest just don't want them getting changed the same time as me. End of story.
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Post by Mr Brightside on Feb 28, 2011 14:51:33 GMT 1
Seriously, onthetrain, get over yourself. Be it your 'opinion' or not, it's simply not welcome in modern society. Yes, you're entitled to have your beliefs, but just because you can hide your face on an internet messageboard doesn't make your ancient bigoted opinions socially acceptable.
"Its a very tabboo subject and in the eyes of the lord wrong to be that way inclined." - So we should disregard a large proportion of humanity because a fictional character says so?
"I'd rather these people not come out as they are a minority" - should we ship the darkies back on the banana boats, and drive the pakistanis from these shores whilst we're at it? Jesus... wouldn't be at all surprised if you were involved in either CoE, the EDL or the EBF.
One word for you...
Dickhead.
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Post by onthetrain92 on Feb 28, 2011 14:52:57 GMT 1
I can't imagine anyone would want to look at you 'starkers' so you have nothing to worry about, gay man or ugly woman What incredible views... totally speechless! Well ask my misses, I got 3 kids so theres is one for a start.
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Post by onthetrain92 on Feb 28, 2011 14:54:22 GMT 1
Here we go again i'm an Evil person for having an opinion.
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Post by Mr Brightside on Feb 28, 2011 14:57:41 GMT 1
And this is the first small minded bigot i mentioned. I wonder how you would react if one of your children announced they were gay? If any of my sons turned out gay i wouldn't be very happy. However I would help them in the best way i can. I would certainly not tell them to come out and tell everyone. There life would be hell because of it. Firstly, a decent education is free of charge. It's their, not there. And secondly, your 'fears' are completely unfounded. My life has been far from hell since I came out. In fact I'm doing really well in my studies, and I have a job (in football) which I am really happy in, and accepted for who I am and what I can do, not which way I swing sexually.
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Post by onthetrain92 on Feb 28, 2011 14:59:58 GMT 1
Seriously, onthetrain, get over yourself. Be it your 'opinion' or not, it's simply not welcome in modern society. Yes, you're entitled to have your beliefs, but just because you can hide your face on an internet messageboard doesn't make your ancient bigoted opinions socially acceptable. What is welcome in a modern society, there are two sides to a coin. I have stated I don't have a problem with people being gay. Them being gay makes them different to myself sexually. I'm no bigot. Wahts has happened there are now six maybe more different types of sex. Men, Women, Gay Men, Gay Women, Bisexual Men, Bisexual Women. Where does it end? All i'm saying is I would not feel comfortable changing infront of somebody gay, end of story.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 15:00:17 GMT 1
I think people like onthetrain92 are obviously in the minority with their crazy views. The problem is that there are a lot on the terraces (of all sports) who express the same views... hence making it so much harder for people who play sport to take the steps Steve Davies has
Good on him I say, but I can see both sides
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Post by onthetrain92 on Feb 28, 2011 15:02:41 GMT 1
If any of my sons turned out gay i wouldn't be very happy. However I would help them in the best way i can. I would certainly not tell them to come out and tell everyone. There life would be hell because of it. Firstly, a decent education is free of charge. It's their, not there. And secondly, your 'fears' are completely unfounded. My life has been far from hell since I came out. In fact I'm doing really well in my studies, and I have a job (in football) which I am really happy in, and accepted for who I am and what I can do, not which way I swing sexually. Good for you. I'm not against it, but I'm just saying I would feel uncomfortable with it. Now out of a squad of 20+ i'm sure there will be at least 1 maybe 2 that in your head you may slightly fancy. Is this not and advantage for you to see them naked in the flesh and what if the person you like doesn't like you in that way and notices that you are taking interest then surely this may make him feel uncomfortable or even angry that you are able to view him in that way? An Example: If for instance it was me(not very likely but its possible somebody that was gay may take that view) I would feel uncomfortable, it would then cause me inconvieniece then to get changed either before or after them.
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Post by theriverside on Feb 28, 2011 15:05:09 GMT 1
Seriously, onthetrain, get over yourself. Be it your 'opinion' or not, it's simply not welcome in modern society. Yes, you're entitled to have your beliefs, but just because you can hide your face on an internet messageboard doesn't make your ancient bigoted opinions socially acceptable. What is welcome in a modern society, there are two sides to a coin. I have stated I don't have a problem with people being gay. Them being gay makes them different to myself sexually. I'm no bigot. Wahts has happened there are now six maybe more different types of sex. Men, Women, Gay Men, Gay Women, Bisexual Men, Bisexual Women. Where does it end? All i'm saying is I would not feel comfortable changing infront of somebody gay, end of story. So the essence of all that is 'I don't mind 'gays', as long as they don't stand anywhere near me'. Are we talking a foot, a mile, what? How big a force field do you need around you to be comfortable with yourself?
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Post by SY3 on Feb 28, 2011 15:05:21 GMT 1
Fair play for the lad coming out, that certainly takes some cajones. I have thought for a long time that the national cricket team needs a hard man in the dressing room.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 28, 2011 15:07:28 GMT 1
And this is the first small minded bigot i mentioned. I wonder how you would react if one of your children announced they were gay? If any of my sons turned out gay i wouldn't be very happy. However I would help them in the best way i can. I would certainly not tell them to come out and tell everyone. There life would be hell because of it. A lot of people clearly don't like gay people, I don't mind them to be honest just don't want them getting changed the same time as me. End of story. Apart from the last sentence which there was no need really It's a good honest post
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Post by gmo on Feb 28, 2011 15:07:36 GMT 1
It's a good job the worst post function is back as it may help us rid onthetrain! Will be a much better messageboard without him
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Post by onthetrain92 on Feb 28, 2011 15:12:23 GMT 1
It's a good job the worst post function is back as it may help us rid onthetrain! Will be a much better messageboard without him Gang up on me but i'm saying isn't wrong to say is it. Its an opinion, i'm not breaking any laws.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 28, 2011 15:15:20 GMT 1
Fair play to him for coming out and I hope it does not make any difference at all to his career as a sports man, it should not make the blindest bit of difference.
That said I am not quite sure onthetrain deserves all of the stick he is getting. The question regarding shared facilities is perfectly logical however clumsily expressed.
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Post by onthetrain92 on Feb 28, 2011 15:16:17 GMT 1
If any of my sons turned out gay i wouldn't be very happy. However I would help them in the best way i can. I would certainly not tell them to come out and tell everyone. There life would be hell because of it. A lot of people clearly don't like gay people, I don't mind them to be honest just don't want them getting changed the same time as me. End of story. Apart from the last sentence which there was no need really It's a good honest post I will alter that last sentence to Some people don't like gay people rather than a lot. I don't mind gay people but I would feel uncomfortable getting changed next to somebody that is gay. A private cubicle system would imporve this rather than an open changing room.
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Post by CuyahogaBlue on Feb 28, 2011 15:17:39 GMT 1
I certainly wouldn't want him in the same dressing room as myself. There's a level of paranoia here that is very disconcerting. The probability of having been in a changing room with a gay man is very high - whether an individual is out or not is irrelevant.
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Post by Mr Brightside on Feb 28, 2011 15:21:20 GMT 1
Apart from the last sentence which there was no need really It's a good honest post I will alter that last sentence to Some people don't like gay people rather than a lot. I don't mind gay people but I would feel uncomfortable getting changed next to somebody that is gay. A private cubicle system would imporve this rather than an open changing room. Are you ACTUALLY suggesting that within changing rooms, there should be private cubicles for gay men and women? Or that all changing rooms should be replaced with individual changing cubicles?
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Post by Pilch on Feb 28, 2011 15:21:24 GMT 1
I'm not sure why someone has to announce that they are gay Seems a bit like attention seeking to me What do they hope to achieve from it ? All I can think is they are alerting potential chaps of the situation Maybe I should come put and announce I'm a sex starved straight bloke looking for a bit of no strings fun now I've done it My inbox will be on fire this afternoon Well maybe not Ps No need for name calling Surely you can make a point without resorting to that
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Post by siabod on Feb 28, 2011 15:22:56 GMT 1
It's a good job the worst post function is back as it may help us rid onthetrain! Will be a much better messageboard without him You can't possibly advocate getting rid of a poster because you disagree with his views, I disagree with him in this case but think expressing his views (which he knows are controversial) and others on other threads who wind people up helps keep the message board alive.
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Post by Mr Brightside on Feb 28, 2011 15:25:13 GMT 1
Fair play to him for coming out and I hope it does not make any difference at all to his career as a sports man, it should not make the blindest bit of difference. That said I am not quite sure onthetrain deserves all of the stick he is getting. The question regarding shared facilities is perfectly logical however clumsily expressed. Thought more of you than that, Throbs. You've shared a changing room with me in the past - did you feel uncomfortable at any time? I find it ludicrous that the main concern here is being suggested on the basis that the straight men here assume that because someone is homosexual, they're automatically going to be judging and eyeing up every other male around them. It's a ridiculous notion, and one that really annoys me! (Without mentioning that these are possibly the same people who buy the Daily Star and Daily Sun and ogle, leer at and objectify women when on a night out - but that's okay, because they're only women, and that's acceptable in society, right?) Jesus wept.
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