|
Post by Dan F on Feb 28, 2011 18:57:15 GMT 1
Have to say Dan, that's one of your better wind-ups.
Or is this a bad mood day?
|
|
|
Post by Pilch on Feb 28, 2011 18:59:10 GMT 1
Someone asked me the other day what i thought of gay men. I replied "They're just f**king a**eholes" Joking aside, the question Id like to ask is it easier these days to come out and say your gay rather than admit to be being homophobic? i think you are right its easier does it allow you to joke about gays if you are gay ? a bit like its ok for black people to joke about blacks or call themselves the n word i've joked about any topic and always will before long people will be crying fowl when you joke about chickens crossing the road
|
|
|
Post by jaytee on Feb 28, 2011 19:07:34 GMT 1
i've joked about any topic and always will 'ear 'ear. I usually take the p**s out of myself, but it's my day off.
|
|
|
Post by WindsorShrew on Feb 28, 2011 19:07:47 GMT 1
Go on Pab come out i'll get your story in the Shroppy Star.....
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 19:19:00 GMT 1
Personally, I see and understand where Dan is coming from, I also understand all arguments. I empathise with Dan's comments and as with LGBT issues, anyone who does feel uncomfortable should have there needs taken care of rather than try and state that he is a bigot!! it is a situation he should not have forced upon him if he does not like it!!
|
|
|
Post by froggy on Feb 28, 2011 20:13:43 GMT 1
I don't see the need for him to come out as gay in the press. It makes no difference whether he is gay or not, its a way of getting publicity in my opinion. Whether someone is gay or straight is irrelevant.
The whole argument on here on the 1st and 2nd pages are trivial; "I wouldn't want a gay man getting dressed in the same changing room as me." - this assuming that every gay man is a leach and will grab onto any male he comes into contact with. I for one wouldn't care one bit whether there was a gay man in the changing room. I'm sure people would let their children get the signature and a photo with the likes of Marlon King, John Terry, Lee Hughes. Personally, I think that's far more worrying than having a gay man in the dressing room. Its only the narrow minded who can't get over their homophobic mindset, possibly because of their sexual insecurities or possibly because they're too thick.
Every human has the right to live a normal life and carry out normal acts, your colour, sexuality, age, hobbies etc should not affect this.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 20:47:12 GMT 1
If any of my sons turned out gay i wouldn't be very happy. However I would help them in the best way i can. I would certainly not tell them to come out and tell everyone. There life would be hell because of it. A lot of people clearly don't like gay people, I don't mind them to be honest just don't want them getting changed the same time as me. End of story. You're wasted being the village idiot on here. You'd make a cracking Samaritan.
|
|
|
Post by WindsorShrew on Feb 28, 2011 21:14:34 GMT 1
I think my youngest son is gay, I still love him it makes no difference to me at all.
|
|
|
Post by theshrews81 on Feb 28, 2011 21:35:59 GMT 1
Can i please start making racist comments about certain players?
Seems like we are allowed to be homophobic on here so why not racist as well?
|
|
|
Post by Mr Brightside on Feb 28, 2011 21:54:52 GMT 1
it is a situation he should not have forced upon him if he does not like it!! Who's 'forcing' the situation on him?! If the bloke in question in the changing room hadn't 'come out', and therefore Dan had no idea as to his sexuality, he's still going to be in exactly the same situation - that being him getting changed in the company of a man who prefers male company sexually and emotionally. Dan is assuming that the gay man would automatically be 'assessing' the other men in the changing room, so surely it's Dan who's forcing the situation on himself? Perhaps 'bigot' is the wrong term to use, and I apologise for the use of it, however I stand by the other points I made, as I believe in them.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 21:58:44 GMT 1
Why do people believe that it is right to "come out" this in itself is forcing the issue to others, is it to provoke a reaction. I cannot recall when I made it public knowledge that i was a hetrosexual guy?? so why do the gay & lesbian community feel that all and sundry should know or indeed care which way they swing the come all "refreshed" about the situation. this action alone forces the issue in my humble opinion!!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 22:06:46 GMT 1
If any of my sons turned out gay i wouldn't be very happy. However I would help them in the best way i can. I would certainly not tell them to come out and tell everyone. There life would be hell because of it. A lot of people clearly don't like gay people, I don't mind them to be honest just don't want them getting changed the same time as me. End of story. Apart from the last sentence which there was no need really It's a good honest post Hang on a minute, Pilch mate. Lets rewind a tad here, to the post were you said something about spinners and being stumped. No need , REALLY.!
|
|
|
Post by WindsorShrew on Feb 28, 2011 22:08:58 GMT 1
I cannot recall when I made it public knowledge that i was a hetrosexual guy?? **** off Downward you were Cav mate....
|
|
|
Post by Pilch on Feb 28, 2011 22:18:50 GMT 1
yes but in my opinion there is a difference in a joke to something said seriously i apologise to anyone who fails to agree with that but thats the way i am and i damn well know its how the majority of people are
i joked to reg earlier about sleeping in a skip i guess thats not funny if you are homeless
i joked around rooney smacking someone not funny when it was matt harold
i'm not harrassing anyone,i dont hate anyone, i'll joke whatever the subject is it annoys me when people take a joke, analyse it, rip it apart and come up with a crime to hang around your shoulders on the back of it yes i know people have lost their job from a joke
why do people do this ? = because they can
|
|
|
Post by bertymax on Feb 28, 2011 22:24:53 GMT 1
Steve Davis Attention seeking??? Have a word with yourself! he just doesn't want his private life or sexuality whispered about for the next 10 years. Fair play to him for being open and honest, people should respect him for that.
|
|
|
Post by Pilch on Feb 28, 2011 22:42:02 GMT 1
Steve Davis Attention seeking??? Have a word with yourself! he just doesn't want his private life or sexuality whispered about for the next 10 years. Fair play to him for being open and honest, people should respect him for that. before today i thought steve davis was a snooker player i even replied with a snooker joke until i read the thread i knew nothing about his private life, didnt even know who he was now i do hes brought it to my attention if he was worried about it before he's now got to face being ridiculed as he walks through the fans to the crease hes going to get sledged every time he faces a ball i really dont understand why he felt the need to broadcast this sorry but i dont and i dont care either if gay people want to be treated normally then they should act normally, only gay people announce their sex for some reason and i'm suppose to respect them for it i couldn't care less to be honest, in fact i dont want to know and dont need to know if ever i wake up and find im gay maybe i'll feel differently maybe i'll use the announce facility and or maybe i'll pm all, i could just get a mod to pin it for a while, not sure yet
|
|
|
Post by jaytee on Feb 28, 2011 22:53:16 GMT 1
hes going to get sledged every time he faces a ball
|
|
|
Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 28, 2011 23:02:46 GMT 1
My thoughts are good for him for being open and honest about it, but it isn't going to affect my life and I dare say by tomorrow I will have forgotten he's even said it. Unless I log onto B and A of course.
|
|
|
Post by markglasgow on Feb 28, 2011 23:51:45 GMT 1
Someone asked me the other day what i thought of gay men. I replied "They're just f**king a**eholes" Joking aside, the question Id like to ask is it easier these days to come out and say your gay rather than admit to be being homophobic? i think you are right its easier does it allow you to joke about gays if you are gay ? a bit like its ok for black people to joke about blacks or call themselves the n word i've joked about any topic and always will before long people will be crying fowl when you joke about chickens crossing the road So what you are saying is that you have no real opinions and prefer to deal with serious issues with a stream of poorly judged 'jokes'? Shame really.
|
|
|
Post by Pilch on Mar 1, 2011 0:10:51 GMT 1
I wondered when you'd be along to have a pop
I don't regard this as a serious matter Never heard it mentioned between the bongs on news at 10 I did have an opinion yes I said I don't care about his private life, never have, never will He will now get more grief than before Right or wrong that's how it is
At least you agree I'm joking Even if they are poor
|
|
|
Post by onthetrain92 on Mar 1, 2011 0:17:42 GMT 1
Me and my missus are off out after her birthday meal on saturday and we will probably meet a couple of mates who are gay and end up at a gay bar in wolves, fancy coming along Dan? maybe not aye Again having a beer with somebody thats gay or socialising or being friends with them isn't the issue i'm arguing about. Its being naked in front of them that kinda of puts me off, not that they would look at me, but the chances are that out of say a squad of 20 there is bound to be one, two or even a few that they may well fancy and that to me is like putting me in a womens changing room because I know out of 20 I'd be certain to want to look at some of them as its a natural thing to do. I'm sure most women would feel uneasy about me being in the same changing room to them. Well it would be the same for me knowing that one of my team mates is gay.
|
|
|
Post by Pilch on Mar 1, 2011 0:19:22 GMT 1
If I was a cartoonist I'd have a picture of davis batting with an umpire giving him the finger with the caption " he's out! "
|
|
|
Post by onthetrain92 on Mar 1, 2011 1:34:18 GMT 1
Steve Davis Attention seeking??? Have a word with yourself! he just doesn't want his private life or sexuality whispered about for the next 10 years. Fair play to him for being open and honest, people should respect him for that. before today i thought steve davis was a snooker player i even replied with a snooker joke until i read the thread i knew nothing about his private life, didnt even know who he was now i do hes brought it to my attention if he was worried about it before he's now got to face being ridiculed as he walks through the fans to the crease hes going to get sledged every time he faces a ball i really dont understand why he felt the need to broadcast this sorry but i dont and i dont care either if gay people want to be treated normally then they should act normally, only gay people announce their sex for some reason and i'm suppose to respect them for it i couldn't care less to be honest, in fact i dont want to know and dont need to know if ever i wake up and find im gay maybe i'll feel differently maybe i'll use the announce facility and or maybe i'll pm all, i could just get a mod to pin it for a while, not sure yet Right I'm coming out and telling everyone in the world that I am straight, I can't help it i'm not gay. I hope that people will still be my friends now I've told them.
|
|
|
Post by Pilch on Mar 1, 2011 1:38:53 GMT 1
me too you'll find me in c21 tuesday to sunday just to prove it
|
|
|
Post by onthetrain92 on Mar 1, 2011 2:13:12 GMT 1
me too you'll find me in c21 tuesday to sunday just to prove it Why aint you been in there tonight ;D
|
|
|
Post by onthetrain92 on Mar 1, 2011 2:27:10 GMT 1
Fair play to him for coming out and I hope it does not make any difference at all to his career as a sports man, it should not make the blindest bit of difference. That said I am not quite sure onthetrain deserves all of the stick he is getting. The question regarding shared facilities is perfectly logical however clumsily expressed. Thought more of you than that, Throbs. You've shared a changing room with me in the past - did you feel uncomfortable at any time? I find it ludicrous that the main concern here is being suggested on the basis that the straight men here assume that because someone is homosexual, they're automatically going to be judging and eyeing up every other male around them. It's a ridiculous notion, and one that really annoys me! (Without mentioning that these are possibly the same people who buy the Daily Star and Daily Sun and ogle, leer at and objectify women when on a night out - but that's okay, because they're only women, and that's acceptable in society, right?) Jesus wept. One minute your saying hes a fictional character and the next minute your saying he wept.
|
|
|
Post by Mr Brightside on Mar 1, 2011 8:18:14 GMT 1
Thought more of you than that, Throbs. You've shared a changing room with me in the past - did you feel uncomfortable at any time? I find it ludicrous that the main concern here is being suggested on the basis that the straight men here assume that because someone is homosexual, they're automatically going to be judging and eyeing up every other male around them. It's a ridiculous notion, and one that really annoys me! (Without mentioning that these are possibly the same people who buy the Daily Star and Daily Sun and ogle, leer at and objectify women when on a night out - but that's okay, because they're only women, and that's acceptable in society, right?) Jesus wept. One minute your saying hes a fictional character and the next minute your saying he wept. No, I think you'll find that I referred to 'the Lord' as a fictional character... Jesus I ain't debating was real. Son of a great carpenter, brilliant showman, probably the Derren Brown of his day. OOPS that's backfired for you hasn't it? Terribly sorry to p**s on your chips! ;D
|
|
|
Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 1, 2011 9:06:33 GMT 1
OOPS that's backfired for you hasn't it? Terribly sorry to p**s on your chips! ;D Although speaking of backfiring, in your first post you spoke of sweeping generalisations. Now you're making a sweeping assertion against someone several billion people have a little more respect for.
|
|
|
Post by SouthStandShrew on Mar 1, 2011 10:41:51 GMT 1
Is on the train - DanDee?
The DanDee that 'kicked off' at Macclesfield Town years ago? Who's excuse was 'he was p**sed and on a mates birthday'?
|
|
islaymalt
Midland League Division One
Posts: 420
|
Post by islaymalt on Mar 1, 2011 11:12:03 GMT 1
Could it be that ‘society’ expects us to be heterosexual and thus conform to it’s version of the norm. Whereas some gay men prefer to go along with that, I suspect that others feel trapped, suppressed and uncomfortable at having to keep their sexuality under wraps and find it impossible to keep up the pretence in almost every aspect of their day-to-day lives.
In such cases, isn’t it acceptable (indeed a fundamental freedom) to ‘come out’ and be open about who you are?
If not, then there is something fundamentally wrong with our ‘society’.
Onthetrain says:”in the eyes of the lord wrong to be that way inclined”. What rot! Presuming you’re talking about God, so how do you know? Maybe some historical zealots (fanned by today’s ‘conservative’ factions) decided that they didn’t like gays and so decreed that it is God’s will. What arrogance to call God into this argument on your side!!
Incidentally, although I respect freedom of speech, Onthetrain, I do believe that your arguments say a lot more about you than they do the gay community.
|
|