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Post by Pilch on Mar 1, 2011 18:40:37 GMT 1
one last thing, if you come out and later change your mind do you have to announce you have gone back in or whatever you call it ?
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Post by mattmw on Mar 1, 2011 19:09:43 GMT 1
Should be remembered that sports teams such as Surrey - who Davies plays for - have a duty under employment law not to discriminate on grounds of race, sexuality or disability and any suggesting that employees should "cover up" a player being gay could land them in hot water
Would be interesting to see how many football clubs have a policy for dealing with homophobia in the workplace? Suspect its not many.
People are entitled to have their own opinions on sexuality but if they bring them onto a work environment the law says discrimination is illegal. Worth bearing in mind if discussing this issue over a cuppa at work!
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Post by grinfish on Mar 1, 2011 19:39:19 GMT 1
Never heard it mentioned between the bongs on news at 10 Tell me more about this ITV current affairs marijuana abuse scandal, it's more significantly newsworthy than "EXCLUSIVE - MAN LIKES MEN". If there's any shock sex scandal to be reported in the sporting media today, it should be the way the Netherlands Cricket Team bent over and let the Windies boys give them a damn good spanking yesterday. Then again, I guess it *was* the Netherlands... Oh, and on the changing rooms issue, I'm all for individual cubicles for all of those who want them, regardless of their reasons. Insecurity comes in many forms. Both sides of the argument need to step back off their soapboxes a while.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2011 23:20:22 GMT 1
This is an odd thread.
The thing that strikes me most, is that some people still seem to think it is a choice as to whether you have homosexual or hetrosexual feelings. It's not, it's science. That choice is inherently a part of you, independent of whether you see/read about homosexuality in the media.
Threads like this almost make me forget I'm living in 2011.
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Post by stockportershrew on Mar 1, 2011 23:23:40 GMT 1
This is an odd thread. The thing that strikes me most, is that some people still seem to think it is a choice as to whether you have homosexual or hetrosexual feelings. It's not, it's science. That choice is inherently a part of you, independent of whether you see/read about homosexuality in the media. Threads like this almost make me forget I'm living in 2011. The voice of reason.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 1, 2011 23:51:27 GMT 1
it is a sensible post phil i wish i could sum the subject up as swiftly without feeling the need to write a book on it i'll try, yes its 2011, i know gay people are normal, just dont understand why they have to announce it, i honestly dont
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 0:07:26 GMT 1
This is an odd thread. The thing that strikes me most, is that some people still seem to think it is a choice as to whether you have homosexual or hetrosexual feelings. It's not, it's science. That choice is inherently a part of you, independent of whether you see/read about homosexuality in the media. Threads like this almost make me forget I'm living in 2011. Precisely.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 2, 2011 0:30:56 GMT 1
Of course there are genetic factors, but even a basic scan of the studies on wiki (a war zone for fairness in controversial subjects like this) shows that the empirical studies are far from conclusive, lack statistical significance, or the research has been superceded. Check out the empirical studies section. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientationWhere there is a genetic link, the link is not solely genetic. Nor does that make is someone's "choice", as there are a whole heap of other external factors involved, environmental factors etc There is a healthy weight of scientific research behind it, but as with many hot potato subjects, suggesting that some of the observations made are a) conclusive b) universally accepted or c) statistically significant is plainly wrong. Even some of the physiological factors are not proven to be directly genetic as some are developmental. Not that it makes the blindest bit of difference to this cricketer, or how people should view him, my only concern is that he plays well for England.
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Post by ratcliffesghost on Mar 2, 2011 0:53:03 GMT 1
Of course there are genetic factors, but even a basic scan of the studies on wiki (a war zone for fairness in controversial subjects like this) shows that the empirical studies are far from conclusive, lack statistical significance, or the research has been superceded. Check out the empirical studies section. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientationWhere there is a genetic link, the link is not solely genetic. Nor does that make is someone's "choice", as there are a whole heap of other external factors involved, environmental factors etc There is a healthy weight of scientific research behind it, but as with many hot potato subjects, suggesting that some of the observations made are a) conclusive b) universally accepted or c) statistically significant is plainly wrong. Even some of the physiological factors are not proven to be directly genetic as some are developmental. Not that it makes the blindest bit of difference to this cricketer, or how people should view him, my only concern is that he plays well for England. Nice and wordy Dave, but I thought you were asked to clarify the christian stance on homosexuality a few posts back.................
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Post by dachshund on Mar 2, 2011 1:55:14 GMT 1
it is a sensible post phil i wish i could sum the subject up as swiftly without feeling the need to write a book on it i'll try, yes its 2011, i know gay people are normal, just dont understand why they have to announce it, i honestly dont Surely you can't be as blind as this post, and indeed this entire thread, would lead observers to believe.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 2, 2011 2:05:23 GMT 1
fair enough, next one to come out i'll bake them a sodding cake
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Post by stfcfan87 on Mar 2, 2011 2:25:24 GMT 1
Should be remembered that sports teams such as Surrey - who Davies plays for - have a duty under employment law not to discriminate on grounds of race, sexuality or disability and any suggesting that employees should "cover up" a player being gay could land them in hot water Would be interesting to see how many football clubs have a policy for dealing with homophobia in the workplace? Suspect its not many. People are entitled to have their own opinions on sexuality but if they bring them onto a work environment the law says discrimination is illegal. Worth bearing in mind if discussing this issue over a cuppa at work! Judging by the last couple of days the chances are pretty slim - our top clubs don't even have policies in place for dealing with violent thugs who clearly elbow opponents off the ball, and seemingly don't have policies in place to stop players bringing guns into changing rooms, let alone them being loaded, and even have nothing in the rule books about them shooting people!
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 2, 2011 9:07:53 GMT 1
Nice and wordy Dave, but I thought you were asked to clarify the christian stance on homosexuality a few posts back................. If so, I genuinely have not seen which post? And unless I'm not very much mistaken I am not the pope ;D Seriously though, it really does depend on many other underlying factors. Your view of the purpose of the bible being a major one, but not just that, also your view of what are the overarching themes within the bible. I am not sure anyone can claim the "Christian" stance as such. There is a massive diversity of thought, different theories and ideas, (just like there is within the scientific community). So the answer you would get from a methodist on the liberal wing of their Church compared to a conservative catholic would be night and day. I'm afraid I am off for 3 days to a conference in ten minutes time so can't reply to this thread further unless I find some wifi somewhere. There are some great resources out there if you are interested.
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Post by ratcliffesghost on Mar 2, 2011 9:11:44 GMT 1
Yep thats the sort of reply I've got from every christian since this adoption court case thing blew up All too busy
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Post by jaytee on Mar 2, 2011 19:18:14 GMT 1
I've got an idea. In Cuba during the evenings, they quite often have speeches given by dissident prisoners who have been sent for re-training and "come out" realising the errors of their ways and thanking the President and the harsh penal system for showing them they were good socialists after all.
We could send Pilch, Dan and all the rest of us, who have no problem with gay people, but who made silly jokes on the thread, to a training camp, where we would be forced to watch a nodding donkey 23 hours a day for a week.
I think it's working already. An hour ago, I had a nice chat outside the house with a lesbian customer. Viva la Revolution!
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Post by WindsorShrew on Mar 2, 2011 19:24:38 GMT 1
fair enough, next one to come out i'll bake them a sodding cake It's a good job Pabs on a diet...
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Post by jaytee on Mar 2, 2011 19:32:03 GMT 1
fair enough, next one to come out i'll bake them a sodding cake It's a good job Pabs on a diet... Right, you're next. Get in front of the nodding donkey. Ooo Matron.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2011 19:51:00 GMT 1
Cricket has always been open on the homosexuality front, who can forget;
"the bowlers Holding the batsmans Willey".
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Post by Pilch on Mar 2, 2011 23:42:09 GMT 1
fair enough, next one to come out i'll bake them a sodding cake It's a good job Pabs on a diet...
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Post by jaytee on Mar 2, 2011 23:52:09 GMT 1
It's a good job Pabs on a diet... [/quote] Fatist! If I had my way, for lunch tomorrow, you'd be forced to eat half a whale and a hundredweight of chips.
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Post by jaytee on Mar 2, 2011 23:56:49 GMT 1
Next thing you know, we'll be picking on men who like strict women, who tie them to the bed, before humiliating them and then........excuse me, there's someone at the door......
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Post by onthetrain92 on Mar 3, 2011 0:08:25 GMT 1
A shop like Clinton Cards could make a fortune with cards in the future that say
"Congratulations on coming out your Gay"
Maybe even do Gay anniversary cards also.
Then you can bake them the cake Pilch.
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Post by jaytee on Mar 3, 2011 0:33:42 GMT 1
A shop like Clinton Cards could make a fortune with cards in the future that say "Congratulations on coming out your Gay" Maybe even do Gay anniversary cards also. Then you can bake them the cake Pilch. Look, Dan. I met Pilch in the Powerleagues last night. I went to the Gents for a wee, he came in and stood in the cubicle to me. He looked down and looked left, before squinting, and taking out his new reading glasses, before saying, "no wonder you're not gay. You wouldn't make any bloke happy with a John Thomas that size".
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Post by Pilch on Mar 3, 2011 1:10:12 GMT 1
I said the same to 14 blokes in the loos last night
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