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Post by vixenshrew on Jun 17, 2019 16:38:44 GMT 1
I know I'll get shot down for this but I've not bought into womens football yet its all a bit paralympics to me still i dont know why you would, i understand why some people dont like womens football. i on the other hand have always enjoyed it and i am happy about the way it is growing and how through football women are chalenging attitudes in sport not just in europe but across the world. anything that gets women doing sports is a good thing. No shooting required. Women's football has a very long way to go but it's good to see some improvement a year on from when I watched my first women's game, and obviously a lot of people enjoy it and after all that's what sport is all about. STFC and league 1 takes priority for me over all other teams/leagues.
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Post by FloreatShrew on Jun 17, 2019 16:42:34 GMT 1
Still think the Stfc ladies team should play at the meadow. Free parking, 5 to get in whatever. Alternative Saturday's.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 18, 2019 13:12:39 GMT 1
spain wasted so much possession trying to walk the ball in, with there number ten somtimes having four chinese players swarming around her, they should have done better. now they will probably have the usa lucky them.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 18, 2019 21:57:25 GMT 1
Australia 4-1 Jamaica in an entertaining game . Australia totally bossed the first half with two clinical headers from Kerr, the first showed real awarness as headed a powerful looping header over the keeper who was off her line. Australia were more than a bit stunned as Jamaica scored a well take goal as there player showed real compsuer with a well timed run went round the keeper and shoot between the defenders. Jamacia Shaw unsettled australia with her physicality and speed but should have done better with her chances. Jamaica desrver credit for there fight back ,when kerr slots home the third. Kerr showed why you should never give as she ran from some distance to put pressuer on the keepper who air shot and then kerr beat her to hte ball to score her fourth. this goal resulted in Australia ending second in the table and avoiding france who would not have expected to be playing brazil. two wome who desrver a mention Jamaican player Cheyna mathews who gave birth 9 months ago ! and australian player Roso who a year ago hd three broken vertebra. both have shown remarkable dedication to be fit enough to play and be selected for the world cup
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 19, 2019 18:44:34 GMT 1
if England want to avoid the netherlands or canada they need to be top of the group, japan had an improved performance in there last game, for Scotlnd nothing less than a win will do and even then it may not be enough.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 19, 2019 22:00:12 GMT 1
The keeper made a very good save from a japanes shoot after that an impressive first half by England a lot of variation in there attacks a well taken goal 1-0.England using the wing and pressing high up the park. second half England were far to sloopy creating there own problems with some poor distribution and switching off, Japans double substitution had an impact especially there number five. LOUD allarm bells should be ringing with the ease that the japanes number 5 got between the two english center back six times in twenty minutes, i have no idea how she did not score but our keeper did well with one of them as she managed to save with her foot, england looked on the rack as japane pressed high up the park , England also faded and looked tierd a late England goal was a relief. 2-0
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 19, 2019 22:05:47 GMT 1
Scotland must be utterly gutted leading 3-0 to have it all fall apart in the last 20 minutes as argenrtina score twice in five minutes, then have a penalty which ages to take brief relief as it was saved only for var to rule that hte kepper moved off her line and then argentina score with the reataken penalty as scotland fail to get to the next round, how cruel is that. we should remmember that this was scotlands first world cup and they will have gained some invaluable experience from it.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 19, 2019 22:15:47 GMT 1
So harsh on Scotland I flicked over when England went 2-0 up, knowing Scotland were under pressure at 3-2. The keeper was hardly miles off the line and makes the save. And a yellow card for being off your line? So Goalkeepers could genuinely be sent off if it happens twice in one match?
What on earth had the world come to? I feel that we’re going to have a lot of retaken penalty kicks... Surely it’s only natural to have a bit of forward movement when trying to save penalties? If they wait until the ball is struck and the penalty taker puts it in the corner they’ll have no chance of saving anything.
What a farce, I bet retired goalkeepers are glad they’re not playing any longer.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jun 19, 2019 22:53:53 GMT 1
Unfortunately goalies will have no chance under this stay on your line ruling, and easy enough for the officials to see with the benefit of VAR, but in real time without it is going to be very difficult to enforce fairly. Wouldn't want to be a keeper, ref, assistant, or supporter when a penalty is awarded for either side as I cannot see how it can be viewed without serious mistakes ensuing. It's not just for VAR matches is it?
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Post by Myddleshrew on Jun 20, 2019 0:01:54 GMT 1
Thank **** var wasn’t invented when we played aldershot in stoke
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Post by franthetownfan on Jun 20, 2019 9:43:58 GMT 1
I don’t know why so much sympathy is given - if you steal territory as an attacker and do not listen to the ref, you get punished. Every single goalkeeper is told by officials before games and in these moments - ‘do not come off your line’. It’s just the same as offside - you cannot cheat the opposing team. I’m glad footballing is evolving - you don’t see it happening in other sports and then players and management start whinging on the TV about it.
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Post by claphamshrew on Jun 20, 2019 10:31:46 GMT 1
It’s not possible to anticipate which direction to dive in without transferring weight onto one leg which inevitably results in slight forward movement so there should be some tolerance in my opinion. The alternative would be for them to start slightly behind their line which would be absurd. That or not be able to anticipate and shootouts become processional.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 20, 2019 11:33:35 GMT 1
when Japan played higher up the pitch and found the space/ gaps to exploit the gears in the second half England . England two center backs were opened up with alarming ease . in the warm up games England defence looked less than convincing they have been using keira walsh as a defensive midfielder and she works well at reducing the threats but japan changed tactics in the second have and pressed her a lot more and i think this was a factor ,with playing higher up when Yuika Sugasawa came on as sub with 20 minutes left she found it far to easy to get in between the two english center back, she did it six times and should have scored a number of goals.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 20, 2019 11:46:41 GMT 1
netherlands v canada the dutch have been able to control games with good ball retention and clinical finshing so canada face a tough challenge. usa v sweden we have seen how dangerous the US is going forward but we have not seen them been put out under any real pressure so really have not seen the defence or keeper tested.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 20, 2019 12:26:30 GMT 1
unhappy managar and and unhappy player; it must be very hard to be intervied after a game especially when the wheels fall off. unfortently Scotland have been on the reciving end of VAR decision that have not gone there way. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48699943
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jun 20, 2019 13:41:03 GMT 1
It’s not possible to anticipate which direction to dive in without transferring weight onto one leg which inevitably results in slight forward movement so there should be some tolerance in my opinion. The alternative would be for them to start slightly behind their line which would be absurd. That or not be able to anticipate and shootouts become processional. Not allowed to be behind the line.
Penalty Kick - Law 14 Changes
- The team’s penalty taker can have (quick) treatment/assessment and then take the kick - The goalkeeper must not be touching the goalposts/crossbar/nets; they must not be moving - The goalkeeper must have at least part of one foot on/in line with the goal line when the kick is taken; cannot stand behind the line
Explanation
- It is unfair if the kicker needs assessment/treatment and then has to leave the field and cannot take the penalty kick. - The referee must not signal for the penalty kick to be taken if the goalkeeper is touching the goalposts, crossbar or net, or if they are moving e.g. the goalkeeper has kicked/shaken them - Goalkeepers are not permitted to stand in front of or behind the line. Allowing the goalkeeper to have only one foot touching the goal line (or, if jumping, in line with the goal line) when the penalty kick is taken is a more practical approach as it is easier to identify if both feet are not on the line. As the kicker can ‘stutter’ in the run, it is reasonable that the goalkeeper can take one step in anticipation of the kick.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 20, 2019 13:52:51 GMT 1
I don’t know why so much sympathy is given - if you steal territory as an attacker and do not listen to the ref, you get punished. Every single goalkeeper is told by officials before games and in these moments - ‘do not come off your line’. It’s just the same as offside - you cannot cheat the opposing team. I’m glad footballing is evolving - you don’t see it happening in other sports and then players and management start whinging on the TV about it. Don't see evolution happening in other sports? If you're talking about the use of technology, then football is a late adopter, long behind rugby league, tennis, cricket, rugby union … Just a pity the football authorities are making such a complete hash of how the technology is used.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 20, 2019 16:18:13 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48695079"In the second half [against Japan], because we were so open and fatigued, we probably got exposed a little bit." they were fatigued butYuika Sugasawa repetedly got between the two two center backs. "Neville maintains his expansive, possession-based style is one he wants to persevere with. "The style is non-negotiable however far we go," he said." they are very attack minded , they play from the back, they use wingers and tactically will use the long ball to counter attack. "But Neville is determined that rotating his team is the best way forward, saying: "We picked our strongest team to play against Japan. "That's what rotation is about, not about putting 23 players into a hat and picking out 11 - we strategically plan each rotation and made eight today. "We knew at times we were going to suffer, but it was a game we needed to have to keep us focused." he uses the word roation and his wholsale changes has been different to other teams(especially playing both keepers) but in a competion nearly all the England players have had some game time.(which should be good for development and morale) he also has the strength in depth to be able to do it. roation in competions were you play a number of games in a short period of time makes sense, i seem to recall reading that game density reduces performance and increases the risk of injury.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 20, 2019 18:01:06 GMT 1
Jordyn Huitema playing at a world cup at 18! bearing in mind she also played in the under 17 world cup. her goal was rightly disallowed fot been off side, Canda had a penalty awarded in the opening minutes to be then overturned by VAR.the netherlands went up a gear and created a number of chances and for a period of time Canada were on the rack, Canada weathered the storm and an intresting game ,the only suprise the 0-0 half time score. Netherlands have very good ball retention but they are the only team i have seen with a number of players.who are complaing and looking for fouls. second half produced three goals as the netherlands win 2-1 canda captain become only the second women footballer to score in five world cups, she is canadas highest goalscorer and with 182 goals is only three goals from surpassing retired American Abby Wambach's world record of 184 goals.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 20, 2019 22:12:44 GMT 1
USA 2-0 Sweden both goals early in each half. the only suprise was that it was only 1-0 at half time, swedens golie looked wobbly for lengthy periods the US had seven players in swedens half,when they did lose possession they swamped the area, created chances from so many variations , what they did very well was use the whole width of the pitch and really stretch Sweden. heath tormented sweden with pace and tricky feet, they also maintained pressuer on Sweden by recycling the ball so well in the last third which maintained the pressuer on Sweden.
it is hard to know how much the decision of the Swedish manager to field a number of fringe players,in the second half the game did get more scrappy and sweden had chances which mainly came from US mistakes. more composuer and better finishing with the chances they did have could have caused the US more problems, Morgan was subed after a knock on the knee an important player for the US so lets hope it is not serious.
more contreversy with VAR/ ref from the second goal which replicaste a decidon that allowed a goal for australia. a US player was between two swedish defenders forcing a responce from the defender the ball goes to a US player who scores. if the other US player had not been there the defenders whould not tried to clear it. yer it was awarded and the player was deemed not to be intefearing with play.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jun 20, 2019 22:14:00 GMT 1
Confirmed England v Cameroon in last 16.
In other game tonight Thailand 0-2 Chile. Chile needed to win by 3 clear goals to qualify for last 16. With 5 mins left they were awardred a penalty following a VAR review of a challenge by the Thai keeper. No goal line controversy this time but the Chile No4 struck it a bit too well and it hit the bar which means Nigeria will progress instead.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jun 20, 2019 22:40:46 GMT 1
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Sat 22 Jun 19 | 16:30 | Germany | v | Nigeria | Grenoble | Sat 22 Jun 19 | 20:00 | Norway | v | Australia | Nice | Sun 23 Jun 19 | 16:30 | England | v | Cameroon | Valenciennes | Sun 23 Jun 19 | 20:00 | France | v | Brazil | Le Harve | Mon 24 Jun 19 | 17:00 | Spain | v | USA | Reims | Mon 24 Jun 19 | 20:00 | Sweden | v | Canada | Paris | Tue 25 Jun 19 | 17:00 | Italy | v | China | Montpellier | Tue 25 Jun 19 | 20:00 | Netherlands | v | Japan | Rennes |
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Post by franthetownfan on Jun 20, 2019 23:54:18 GMT 1
I don’t know why so much sympathy is given - if you steal territory as an attacker and do not listen to the ref, you get punished. Every single goalkeeper is told by officials before games and in these moments - ‘do not come off your line’. It’s just the same as offside - you cannot cheat the opposing team. I’m glad footballing is evolving - you don’t see it happening in other sports and then players and management start whinging on the TV about it. Don't see evolution happening in other sports? If you're talking about the use of technology, then football is a late adopter, long behind rugby league, tennis, cricket, rugby union … Just a pity the football authorities are making such a complete hash of how the technology is used. I meant that territory tends not to be nicked in other sports. If you ground short in cricket, they check it. If you bowl a no ball, it’s given. Tennis, if it’s out, you don’t say ah damn, that’s a bit silly!
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Post by venceremos on Jun 21, 2019 0:41:42 GMT 1
Don't see evolution happening in other sports? If you're talking about the use of technology, then football is a late adopter, long behind rugby league, tennis, cricket, rugby union … Just a pity the football authorities are making such a complete hash of how the technology is used. I meant that territory tends not to be nicked in other sports. If you ground short in cricket, they check it. If you bowl a no ball, it’s given. Tennis, if it’s out, you don’t say ah damn, that’s a bit silly! OK, I see that but those are sports with bursts of action and long periods in between. Football’s not meant to be like that.
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Post by franthetownfan on Jun 21, 2019 0:53:58 GMT 1
I meant that territory tends not to be nicked in other sports. If you ground short in cricket, they check it. If you bowl a no ball, it’s given. Tennis, if it’s out, you don’t say ah damn, that’s a bit silly! OK, I see that but those are sports with bursts of action and long periods in between. Football’s not meant to be like that. I think people’s anger are based around rules and also interpretation of said rules. VAR seems to work fine and it did last night from what I saw! Perhaps I missed something, I don’t know. Football is not the exception to everything. They don’t need several people in a studio analysing it. They need someone sat in the studio monitoring the game and mic’d up to the ref. Every time he checks, he communicates to the ref. If it’s a foul, or disallowed goal etc, he tells the ref. Ref acts accordingly. The only thing that is awful about VAR (not talking about silly handballs, that’s not VAR) is that the ref has to go and watch it on a screen. Despite what people think, it’s not a game of opinion. It’s either a foul, yes or no.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2019 4:35:18 GMT 1
OK, I see that but those are sports with bursts of action and long periods in between. Football’s not meant to be like that. I think people’s anger are based around rules and also interpretation of said rules. VAR seems to work fine and it did last night from what I saw! Perhaps I missed something, I don’t know. Football is not the exception to everything. They don’t need several people in a studio analysing it. They need someone sat in the studio monitoring the game and mic’d up to the ref. Every time he checks, he communicates to the ref. If it’s a foul, or disallowed goal etc, he tells the ref. Ref acts accordingly. The only thing that is awful about VAR (not talking about silly handballs, that’s not VAR) is that the ref has to go and watch it on a screen. Despite what people think, it’s not a game of opinion. It’s either a foul, yes or no. The question on opinion is whether being as precise as VAR is attempting to be makes the enjoyment of the game for the fans better or worse. I’d argue the latter. The exhilaration of cheering a last minute goal (or indeed a last minute penalty save) is being removed from the game by marginal decisions. The spontaneity is being lost. We’re getting to a stage in the games development where to celebrate a goal or key moment requires a few minutes of silently hoping it doesn’t get chalked off for a striker being one yard offside or a goalkeeper being 10cm off their line. I’ll happily take the odd incorrect decision if it keeps our game fluid.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 21, 2019 8:44:27 GMT 1
I think people’s anger are based around rules and also interpretation of said rules. VAR seems to work fine and it did last night from what I saw! Perhaps I missed something, I don’t know. Football is not the exception to everything. They don’t need several people in a studio analysing it. They need someone sat in the studio monitoring the game and mic’d up to the ref. Every time he checks, he communicates to the ref. If it’s a foul, or disallowed goal etc, he tells the ref. Ref acts accordingly. The only thing that is awful about VAR (not talking about silly handballs, that’s not VAR) is that the ref has to go and watch it on a screen. Despite what people think, it’s not a game of opinion. It’s either a foul, yes or no. I’ll happily take the odd incorrect decision if it keeps our game fluid. After what we had to settle with after that Wycombe "goal" I think there is always room for VAR. Understand where you are coming from but with just one decision having the potential to have huge ramifications I see no reason in making sure we have them right (as much as is possible anyhow). If in some play off we lose out to a goal that was offside (no matter how marginal) then I'm going to be miffed and then some, the fluidity of the game isn't going to be much compensation. I don't see an issue with VAR. It's there to be used in order to help the officials officiate the game as the rules are laid out. With the attention paid to the penalties and keepers on the goal line I don't think it's VAR we need to be looked at but rather the rules themselves. Same perhaps for offside.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 21, 2019 9:54:42 GMT 1
Potential quarter final ties look like shaping up to be fantastic matches: France v USA Australia v England Germany v Canada Italy v Netherlands
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jun 21, 2019 10:50:35 GMT 1
Potential quarter final ties look like shaping up to be fantastic matches: France v USA Australia v England Germany v Canada Italy v Netherlands Difficult to call the last 2 games as they are both next to each other in current world rankings. Would be hard to bet against Japan they are tricky customers although apparently they have brought a young squad as they are building towards the Tokyo Olympics.
Fingers crossed there are no banana skins for England, saw a bit of one of Cameroon's group games and they were a tad robust!
Only 2 sides missing from top 16 are North (11) and South (14) Korea.
Germany (2) v Nigeria (38) Norway (12) v Australia (6) England (3) v Cameroon (46) France (4) v Brazil (10) Spain (13) v USA (1) Sweden (9) v Canada (5) Italy (15) v China (16) Netherlands (8) v Japan (7)
Q/F shaping up Germany (2) / Nigeria (38) v Sweden (9) / Canada (5) Norway (12) / Australia (6) v England (3) / Cameroon (46) France (4) / Brazil (10) v Spain (13) / USA (1) Italy (15) / China (16) v Netherlands (8) / Japan (7)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2019 11:43:05 GMT 1
I’ll happily take the odd incorrect decision if it keeps our game fluid. After what we had to settle with after that Wycombe "goal" I think there is always room for VAR. Understand where you are coming from but with just one decision having the potential to have huge ramifications I see no reason in making sure we have them right (as much as is possible anyhow). If in some play off we lose out to a goal that was offside (no matter how marginal) then I'm going to be miffed and then some, the fluidity of the game isn't going to be much compensation. I don't see an issue with VAR. It's there to be used in order to help the officials officiate the game as the rules are laid out. With the attention paid to the penalties and keepers on the goal line I don't think it's VAR we need to be looked at but rather the rules themselves. Same perhaps for offside. We have goal line technology now which should remove that uncertainty. I’m not against VAR in principle it is operated fairly and on a timely basis to get major decisions where there has been a clear incorrect decision but so many of the VAR calls seem to now be subjective ones.
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