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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 14, 2019 20:56:39 GMT 1
England trying to mix things up and get behind the defence, all credit to the argentinian keeper four good saves including a penalty(which seem to take ages to take) Argentinian defender must have thought she was playing rugby with one tackle. the quote from the comentators were only two years ago the players had to sleep in the coach before games and only got£2.50 appearence money!
just hope England dont get caught out by a counter attack or get frustrated. the ref needs to do somthing about Argentnias time wasting which started early in the game.Argentia desrver a lot of credit for there first half peformance many are amatuers, they are having to work very hard to keep England out.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 14, 2019 21:59:46 GMT 1
a much better performance by England who had to work hard to break down a very stubborn Argentina, two more good save by there kepper but from a rare Argentinian attack England counter attacked with speed for a clinical goal.
however with so many chances despite the saves ,England need to do better as they will not get that amount of chances against the better teams
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jun 14, 2019 22:02:17 GMT 1
Enjoyed England’s performance. They always try to pass it, and usually find the player. Decision making around the box needs to improve through.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 14, 2019 22:05:43 GMT 1
A dominant 2nd half display from England. Scott, Kirby, Mead and Greenwood were fantastic. That no.16 for Argentina is so small but a really good defender and their goalkeeper reeled off save after save good display from her.
Need to get at least a point against Japan now so we play a 3rd place team likely no be Chile, New Zealand, Cameroon, Thailand or China. If not it’s group E winner which will be both very strong teams Netherlands or Canada
But I still expect Neville to rotate the team.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 15, 2019 0:43:43 GMT 1
Surely the thread about the Women's World Cup is the correct place to discuss perceptions of women's football? Yes and? And I was saying it seems to me pointless that some people never fail to make comparisons between women’s and men’s football whenever the topic of women’s football is raised. I’d rather just enjoy the football, whichever gender is playing. And if I find one aspect of a discussion pointless, it doesn’t mean I’m not interested in the topic generally. If I thought the thread was pointless, I wouldn’t have posted on it. That’s all.
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Post by MartinB on Jun 15, 2019 6:45:22 GMT 1
England trying to mix things up and get behind the defence, all credit to the argentinian keeper four good saves including a penalty(which seem to take ages to take) Argentinian defender must have thought she was playing rugby with one tackle. the quote from the comentators were only two years ago the players had to sleep in the coach before games and only got£2.50 appearence money! just hope England dont get caught out by a counter attack or get frustrated. the ref needs to do somthing about Argentnias time wasting which started early in the game.Argentia desrver a lot of credit for there first half peformance many are amatuers, they are having to work very hard to keep England out. all penalties in the tournament and in the Premier League will take ages to take as they will have to wait for VAR.
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Post by jontifree on Jun 15, 2019 8:55:53 GMT 1
the examples you give are silly, they are not going to beat the top men at their sports , no one is suggesting that I genuinely would like to gauge where the top womens side fit into the rank on the male level So what would you use to compare the two? Having had the privilege of refereeing the womens game at various levels (including several international players) I would say that some of the top players of today, who are now full time professional footballers, could easily slot into a Championship team based purely on footballing skill and ability. Speed & strength are the obvious issues that women players would struggle with playing in a mens team.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 15, 2019 9:06:08 GMT 1
England trying to mix things up and get behind the defence, all credit to the argentinian keeper four good saves including a penalty(which seem to take ages to take) Argentinian defender must have thought she was playing rugby with one tackle. the quote from the comentators were only two years ago the players had to sleep in the coach before games and only got£2.50 appearence money! just hope England dont get caught out by a counter attack or get frustrated. the ref needs to do somthing about Argentnias time wasting which started early in the game.Argentia desrver a lot of credit for there first half peformance many are amatuers, they are having to work very hard to keep England out. all penalties in the tournament and in the Premier League will take ages to take as they will have to wait for VAR. It took ages to take because the players kept encroaching into the area causing the delay............
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 15, 2019 11:38:53 GMT 1
England trying to mix things up and get behind the defence, all credit to the argentinian keeper four good saves including a penalty(which seem to take ages to take) Argentinian defender must have thought she was playing rugby with one tackle. the quote from the comentators were only two years ago the players had to sleep in the coach before games and only got£2.50 appearence money! just hope England dont get caught out by a counter attack or get frustrated. the ref needs to do somthing about Argentnias time wasting which started early in the game.Argentia desrver a lot of credit for there first half peformance many are amatuers, they are having to work very hard to keep England out. all penalties in the tournament and in the Premier League will take ages to take as they will have to wait for VAR. true but argentina did everything they could to slow the process down, which should not take away from a good penalty save.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 15, 2019 11:45:11 GMT 1
Well it was hard work but they got there in the end. Would have been harsh if we'd not got the win. Fair play to the Argies they made it difficult throughout but the right result in the end. Think England will be a tad miffed not to have got more than the one. Decent enough goal though, mind. Good cross that. On to Japan...👍
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 15, 2019 11:54:28 GMT 1
so far the teams who have impressed me in order 1 USA (Intresting to see how they shape upagainst the better teams)look dangerous going forward with so many attacking options 2 Netherlands tactics and ball retention 3 Germany ( a threat going forward but vunerable in defence) equal third Australia have tenacity and pace 4 Japan looked a different team against scotland) 5 France ( home advantage ,have pace but will the pressuer get to them if they struggle in a game?) 6 China well organised, have some tall players who could be a threat at corners) 7 England whilst improving, vunerable in defence and lack a cutting /clinical edge in the last third anyone who saw the new zeland and argentinian game were they had multiple chances and only one goal in 180 minutes of football
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 15, 2019 17:42:00 GMT 1
Netherlands 3-1 Cameroon
To be fair to Cameroon they unsetled the Netherlands and came close to scoring a second goal. thecomenators mentioned they only had a few games to prepare for this tornoument. unfortently there defending against set pices was dismall.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jun 15, 2019 22:32:09 GMT 1
Canada 2-0 New Zealand Canada unbeaten in 2019 and not conceeded a goal! Through to last 16.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jun 15, 2019 22:34:02 GMT 1
Netherlands 3-1 Cameroon To be fair to Cameroon they unsetled the Netherlands and came close to scoring a second goal. thecomenators mentioned they only had a few games to prepare for this tornoument. unfortently there defending against set pices was dismall. Fans certainly enjoying themselves!
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 16, 2019 8:09:45 GMT 1
Canda 2-0 New Zealand , this was attack v defence as canada just launched wave after wave of attacks. whilst new Zealand did well to maintain there shape and limit this to just two goals, they offered virtually no attacking threat.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 16, 2019 10:40:07 GMT 1
France, Germany, Italy, England, Netherlands and Canada all through to the last 16 with a game to spare. Surely USA will join them this evening?
They beat Thailand ranked 34th 13-0, They play Chile ranked lower at 39th at 5pm, another rout on the cards?
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 16, 2019 11:45:32 GMT 1
a tough game for chilie ,will they go for damage limitation and pack the midfield ? or just think what the hell this is the world cup ! somthing like the charge of the light brigade springs to mind or they might just suprise us after all football is a funny game.
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Post by chestershrew on Jun 16, 2019 16:54:28 GMT 1
but what is wrong with comparing it ? I've seen it discussed on national tv before now the examples you give are silly, they are not going to beat the top men at their sports , no one is suggesting that I genuinely would like to gauge where the top womens side fit into the rank on the male level I did some coaching overseas about 15 years ago and found myself in the Australia for a few days with one of my teams. One evening I watched the Sydney based players of the Australian women’s team play against a very good under 15 boys side. ( I think it finished 2-2, but it was a great game.) The physical element of the game means that top female players could not compete against men who also trained regularly. I think the England women’s team would be on par with the England under 15 boys team. I still think it’s better to consider them separate sports, but if you want a level to compare to the ‘mens’ game, you would have to go to a level where the women fitness and ability to maintain possession outweigh any physical advantage men players have. For that you maybe have to go down the pyramid about 9 or 10 levels I think.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 16, 2019 19:35:07 GMT 1
whilst this was a comfrtable win for the USA, we have yet to see how well there defence cope with pressure. Chile had grounds to be unhappy the second goal whilst a thumping header from a corner was not a corner, i also thought the penalty awarded was a strange one as the player was outside of the penalty when she was fouled. an outstanding performance from the chilien keeper who produced a string of world class saves otherwise it could have been 10- 0
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jun 16, 2019 19:49:26 GMT 1
Yeh, harsh penalty. Apparently they can award a penalty if a foul starts outside the area and continues inside and prevents a goal. There were so many players in that group and ball was no where near her. Justice was done as Carli Lloyd put it wide and she was on a hat-trick.
Long of the USA was fortunate to stay on after being booked having committed a couple of fouls after that probably warranted a yellow.
Decent attendance of 45,000 in Paris (47,000 capacity) which was higher than France's opening game.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 16, 2019 20:05:42 GMT 1
i had heard that the chilien goalkeeper was highly rated but she was amazing, she plays for Paris Saint-Germain and so far sseems to be the best keeper i have seen at this tournament.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 16, 2019 20:29:11 GMT 1
but what is wrong with comparing it ? I've seen it discussed on national tv before now the examples you give are silly, they are not going to beat the top men at their sports , no one is suggesting that I genuinely would like to gauge where the top womens side fit into the rank on the male level I did some coaching overseas about 15 years ago and found myself in the Australia for a few days with one of my teams. One evening I watched the Sydney based players of the Australian women’s team play against a very good under 15 boys side. ( I think it finished 2-2, but it was a great game.) The physical element of the game means that top female players could not compete against men who also trained regularly. I think the England women’s team would be on par with the England under 15 boys team. I still think it’s better to consider them separate sports, but if you want a level to compare to the ‘mens’ game, you would have to go to a level where the women fitness and ability to maintain possession outweigh any physical advantage men players have. For that you maybe have to go down the pyramid about 9 or 10 levels I think. I looked online and saw the Man U ladies first game, 2 weeks after reforming last year was against Salford youth team and they lost 9-0
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 16, 2019 20:29:57 GMT 1
Decent attendance of 45,000 in Paris (47,000 capacity) which was higher than France's opening game. It was indeed and a good turn out by the Yanks there by the looks. I suspect a good few from over this way made the trip.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 16, 2019 20:36:14 GMT 1
Netherlands 3-1 Cameroon To be fair to Cameroon they unsetled the Netherlands and came close to scoring a second goal. thecomenators mentioned they only had a few games to prepare for this tornoument. unfortently there defending against set pices was dismall. Fans certainly enjoying themselves!
Superb. That's what it's all about...
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 16, 2019 20:41:21 GMT 1
i had heard that the chilien goalkeeper was highly rated but she was amazing, she plays for Paris Saint-Germain and so far sseems to be the best keeper i have seen at this tournament. Yes incredible display, by far the best womens goalkeeper i've seen. She won Ligue 1 goalkeeper of the year last season.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 16, 2019 22:32:05 GMT 1
i had heard that the chilien goalkeeper was highly rated but she was amazing, she plays for Paris Saint-Germain and so far sseems to be the best keeper i have seen at this tournament. Yes incredible display, by far the best womens goalkeeper i've seen. She won Ligue 1 goalkeeper of the year last season. no wonder a very good all round keepper, so many good saves but one of the best was when she turned a shoot that was going in the top corner round the post, commanded her box, very athletic , good anticipation , vocal with her defenders ,and a good punch. a number of times the american forwards just could not belive she had saved it.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 16, 2019 22:36:44 GMT 1
Yeh, harsh penalty. Apparently they can award a penalty if a foul starts outside the area and continues inside and prevents a goal. There were so many players in that group and ball was no where near her. Justice was done as Carli Lloyd put it wide and she was on a hat-trick. Long of the USA was fortunate to stay on after being booked having committed a couple of foules after that probably warranted a yellow. Decent attendance of 45,000 in Paris (47,000 capacity) which was higher than France's opening game. "Long of the USA was fortunate to stay on after being booked having committed a couple of foules after that probably warranted a yellow. " I agree she made a number of fouls all close to the ref, i just could not understand why she did not pick up her second yellow ! she seemed worked up about somthing which was silly as the US were winning comfertably.
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Post by chestershrew on Jun 17, 2019 7:53:35 GMT 1
I did some coaching overseas about 15 years ago and found myself in the Australia for a few days with one of my teams. One evening I watched the Sydney based players of the Australian women’s team play against a very good under 15 boys side. ( I think it finished 2-2, but it was a great game.) The physical element of the game means that top female players could not compete against men who also trained regularly. I think the England women’s team would be on par with the England under 15 boys team. I still think it’s better to consider them separate sports, but if you want a level to compare to the ‘mens’ game, you would have to go to a level where the women fitness and ability to maintain possession outweigh any physical advantage men players have. For that you maybe have to go down the pyramid about 9 or 10 levels I think. I looked online and saw the Man U ladies first game, 2 weeks after reforming last year was against Salford youth team and they lost 9-0 I would expect the score to be closer than that after a sone time playing and training together, but I think that would be about the right level to compare. I don’t think there is any way a women’s side could compete in League one as somebody suggested due to the physicality in the game. (Maybe one day a winger could as its a position where technique and speed is more important than physicality, but I find it unlikely.) What I do like is that having women’s sport on TV provides role models for girls, as there is a huge drop off in women’s participation in sport in this country after school, (usually mid secondary school) so anything that changes that has to be a good thing. As someone with a young daughter, that’s the reason I make sure we switch on is to show her that it’s normal to play sport.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 17, 2019 12:41:14 GMT 1
I know I'll get shot down for this but I've not bought into womens football yet its all a bit paralympics to me still i dont know why you would, i understand why some people dont like womens football. i on the other hand have always enjoyed it and i am happy about the way it is growing and how through football women are chalenging attitudes in sport not just in europe but across the world. anything that gets women doing sports is a good thing.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 17, 2019 16:11:31 GMT 1
i fail to understand why the fixture list/ scheduling means that games today are played at the same time.
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