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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Aug 27, 2019 17:23:07 GMT 1
Talks extended with a statement later tonight. Fingers Crossed
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Post by Scarecrow on Aug 27, 2019 17:23:19 GMT 1
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Post by Worthingshrew on Aug 27, 2019 17:32:52 GMT 1
I think that further points being deducted for both Bolton and Bury is a cast iron certainty and they will both go down if they survive today. HOWEVER......the most important point relates to Bolton and those teams that have had a free hit e.g. Ipswich who won 5-0 last week, and have the boost to their goal difference plus 3 easy points. Lets imagine we get to the end of the season and Salop miss out on a play off spot to Ipswich on goal difference or a couple of points - we would all point to Ipswichs free hit back in August against Bolton - that would be incredibly unfair. The EFL have to give some serious thought about how they can level the playing field as this debate could escalate as the season draws to a close. Decisions need to made now by the EFL - not in April 2020 I agree. If either club survive the EFL need to ensure that it only are both automatically relegated but that clubs that have t9 play them later are not disadvantaged. Not sure how to achieve this, but I would put transfer embargoes on them so cannot pay transfer fee or pay more than £2k per week wage to any player this season. It would be monstrous if Bolton splashed the cash after a buy-out.
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Post by tvor on Aug 27, 2019 18:40:25 GMT 1
I doubt the EFL will make a statement this quickly. The deadline today relates to the 14 day notice period starting which is currently suspended, so little changes for 14 days unless Bolton can no longer operate and have to go into liquidation.
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Post by tvor on Aug 27, 2019 19:09:37 GMT 1
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 27, 2019 20:09:00 GMT 1
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Post by stfcfan87 on Aug 27, 2019 20:41:21 GMT 1
If I'm being cynical, the efl won't announce anything about their decision for at least another 2 hours or so as their own efl cup is going on and that would take the headlines and cause bad publicity....
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 27, 2019 23:14:01 GMT 1
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 27, 2019 23:53:33 GMT 1
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Post by Dale on Aug 28, 2019 4:37:57 GMT 1
Will Bolton’s games be suspended in the meantime to prevent the farce of any more teams being handed a few goals and a easy 3 points against their youth team? Really don’t understand why they’ve been allowed to start the season whilst Bury haven’t, it has made a absolute mockery of the league.
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Post by tvor on Aug 28, 2019 4:55:36 GMT 1
Hopefully now the suspension has been lifted and the clock is ticking for Bolton it will finally focus the minds of those who are apparently stubbornly preventing the deal, that is so close, from being completed. Particularly with the danger of liquidation hanging in the air also. Alan Nixon on twitter, who has proven to be very accurate over the Bolton situation so far, thinks liquidation isn't going to happen.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 28, 2019 7:28:58 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 28, 2019 7:52:17 GMT 1
So I guess it all comes down to whether they have the money available to even continue for these two weeks anyhow. And if they can, are they going to be allowed to play? Lets hope the League come to their senses and postpone their games during this period (or until they get things sorted within that time). No more free hits with a nice five goal afternoon against kids. And just to add, this has got to be a wake up call for the League. This fit and proper test itself is surely not fit for purpose. That clubs (more so Bury from what you read) can get into this mess... Something has to be done.
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Post by tvor on Aug 28, 2019 10:35:55 GMT 1
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Aug 28, 2019 18:14:26 GMT 1
We are pleased to announce the sale of Bolton Wanderers to Football Ventures (Whites) Limited has been completed.
Joint Administrator, Paul Appleton, said: "This has been one of the most complicated administrations I've been involved with but I'm delighted to say we have finally reached a satisfactory conclusion with the sale to Football Ventures.
"At times, some of the hurdles appeared insurmountable and the frustration felt has been immense, not least by the supporters who have had to endure too many weeks of uncertainty.
"I would like to pay particular tribute to the Eddie Davies Trust and their legal team who, throughout this whole process, have been willing to do everything in their power to ensure Eddie's incredible legacy was maintained and not sullied.
"Even at the 11th hour when other parties were content to renege on their agreements, the Trust realised the very existence of Bolton Wanderers was at stake and were willing to find a compromise to save the club. It is a testament to their unflinching determination to do what was best for Bolton that we are able to complete the deal today.
"The Trust were forced to constantly compromise their position in the face of circumstances and demands which were wholly unreasonable. This says much about their determination not to allow Eddie's beloved Bolton Wanderers to suffer any longer at the hands of Ken Anderson.
"Sadly, Mr Anderson has used his position as a secured creditor to hamper and frustrate any deal that did not benefit him or suit his purposes. Thankfully, with the assistance of the Trust and others, we were able to overcome this obstacle.
"I would especially like to thank both my team and my lawyers who worked around the clock to find solutions to problems which certainly threatened to derail the whole process.
"I have every sympathy for the staff, players and fans who have been forced to stand by while their club was taken to the brink. I am delighted their loyalty, dedication and patience have finally been rewarded.
"Of course, there will be difficult times ahead while the club gets back on its feet but there are too many people with Bolton close to their hearts for it not to be successful once more.
"The EFL and PFA have both played a major part in the club's survival. They have understood the complexities of the process and have stood strong in the fight to save Bolton, helping to drive this deal over the line.
"Now there can be a fresh start with owners who, I believe, will run the club for the good of the supporters and the community as a whole.
"For everything the fans have had to endure, they deserve nothing less."
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Post by wakemanender on Aug 28, 2019 18:27:53 GMT 1
Good news. Pleased for them and for us not losing two more games. MM will be delighted at Tranmere that they can keep their five goals and three points. No doubt we will face a much stronger Bolton team.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 28, 2019 18:29:25 GMT 1
So effectively what that statement is saying is that Anderson has screwed Bolton, and that in order to save the Club, the Eddie Davies Trust has had to more or less capitulate to his demands.
Don't forget that Davies wrote off £175 million of loans made by him to enable the takeover to take place in 2016.
Yet 4 days before Davies' death, Anderson tapped him for a further £5 million loan, and now has boxed the Eddie Davies Trust Fund into a corner.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 28, 2019 18:33:26 GMT 1
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 28, 2019 18:35:37 GMT 1
So what happens about the unequal playing field of some teams playing youth teams and others not?
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Aug 28, 2019 18:59:41 GMT 1
So what happens about the unequal playing field of some teams playing youth teams and others not? I think the idea is we have to lump it - they have 5 days to sort out a bunch of new players but I suspect they have already got quite a few of those lined up already!
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Post by philharvey on Aug 28, 2019 19:27:03 GMT 1
Good news. Pleased for them and for us not losing two more games. MM will be delighted at Tranmere that they can keep their five goals and three points. No doubt we will face a much stronger Bolton team.
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Post by philharvey on Aug 28, 2019 19:27:42 GMT 1
It's still totally unfair though,
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Post by frankwellshrews on Aug 28, 2019 19:39:55 GMT 1
Anyone else feel like Bolton have pulled a bit of a fast one here by playing those games? Presumably they will avoid a further points deduction for all bar the Doncaster game and go ahead and sign a load of Championship standard players. Meanwhile several clubs have had a "free hit" others won't benefit from.
Seriously, yet another cock up from the EFL in my view.
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Post by hibbosrightpeg on Aug 28, 2019 19:55:46 GMT 1
Anyone else feel like Bolton have pulled a bit of a fast one here by playing those games? Presumably they will avoid a further points deduction for all bar the Doncaster game and go ahead and sign a load of Championship standard players. Meanwhile several clubs have had a "free hit" others won't benefit from. Seriously, yet another cock up from the EFL in my view. What should they do? Be forced to play all season with kids? Get a grip. When clubs have injuries should all games get called off so that it is considered a level playing field for everyone else? Yes it's a shame that others have been given an easy 3 points but I'd rather see us in a competitive game of football than caning a bunch of demoralised teenagers
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 28, 2019 20:00:11 GMT 1
Anyone else feel like Bolton have pulled a bit of a fast one here by playing those games? Presumably they will avoid a further points deduction for all bar the Doncaster game and go ahead and sign a load of Championship standard players. Meanwhile several clubs have had a "free hit" others won't benefit from. Seriously, yet another cock up from the EFL in my view. What should they do? Be forced to play all season with kids? Get a grip. When clubs have injuries should all games get called off so that it is considered a level playing field for everyone else? Yes it's a shame that others have been given an easy 3 points but I'd rather see us in a competitive game of football than caning a bunch of demoralised teenagers They should be forced to pay every single member of staff and local businesses exactly what they're owed before they can register a single player.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Aug 28, 2019 20:02:45 GMT 1
Watch them splash the cash in January transfer window.
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Post by tvor on Aug 28, 2019 20:12:22 GMT 1
Bolton will need to get around 60 points from their remaining 40 games if they are to avoid relegation, that's a big ask.
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Post by hibbosrightpeg on Aug 28, 2019 20:21:16 GMT 1
What should they do? Be forced to play all season with kids? Get a grip. When clubs have injuries should all games get called off so that it is considered a level playing field for everyone else? Yes it's a shame that others have been given an easy 3 points but I'd rather see us in a competitive game of football than caning a bunch of demoralised teenagers They should be forced to pay every single member of staff and local businesses exactly what they're owed before they can register a single player. I don't disagree with that at all but it will never happen. The Previous chairman already wrote off a ridiculous amount of money and their creditors will be forced to do the same. They may get a pittance (if anything) and the club will carry on. I'd have thought that they'd be wound up unless their payables have agreed something with the administrators though albeit it won't be anything like what they're owed. Again, I completely agree with your sentiment towards the staff and businesses, not with the whinging from some about the easy 3 points we've missed
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Post by tvor on Aug 28, 2019 20:23:13 GMT 1
Other than a further points deduction, and potentially a fine, for what they did over the Doncaster fixture I don't see that the EFL can take any more action against Bolton.
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Aug 28, 2019 20:31:57 GMT 1
Other than a further points deduction, and potentially a fine, for what they did over the Doncaster fixture I don't see that the EFL can take any more action against Bolton. Agree - win some lose some
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