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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 26, 2019 11:08:02 GMT 1
Takeover collapsed. Liquidation tomorrow looks odds-on.
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Post by scooter on Aug 26, 2019 11:15:31 GMT 1
I am confused again now. I thought a deal only had to be agreed between the Administrators and the purchasers. How can Anderson still make demands when he doesn’t own the club ?
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Post by pepi64 on Aug 26, 2019 11:18:53 GMT 1
Am i right in thinking that if they do fold all points gained by teams who have won or drawn against them will be taken away and if so does that push us up a few positions?
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Post by callum on Aug 26, 2019 11:27:06 GMT 1
Am i right in thinking that if they do fold all points gained by teams who have won or drawn against them will be taken away and if so does that push us up a few positions? Yes they'd have to be rescinded as other teams won't have the opportunity to gain any ( we would only draw 0-0 anyway)! If they do fold they won't be able to join any leagues now so will also have no games for nearly 12 months.
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Post by tvor on Aug 26, 2019 11:48:57 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 12:11:52 GMT 1
So it's now looking like the end of Bolton and a possible reprieve for Bury?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 26, 2019 12:50:45 GMT 1
Difficult to keep up with things; who is involved and in what capacity. I find having a look to the Administration and recovery thread on the Bolton forum decent enough in getting some understanding. Whether it has things right, mind...
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Post by northwestman on Aug 26, 2019 13:31:32 GMT 1
So it's now looking like the end of Bolton and a possible reprieve for Bury? I wouldn't be at all confident that Bury are going to get out of the mire either!
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Post by northwestman on Aug 26, 2019 13:37:28 GMT 1
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Post by wakemanender on Aug 26, 2019 14:40:08 GMT 1
Fine margins for Micky Melon and his Tranmere team who will have 3pts and 5 goals chalked off their total if Bolton fold. Should be refunds to fans who have turned up for Bolton and Bury games in good faith thinking they were watching an important League One game only to find later this week that they were just wasting their money on meaningless games.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 26, 2019 14:53:38 GMT 1
Coventry would benefit if Bolton went bust. They only drew 0-0 to them so would only get a point taken off them but would jump from 5th to 3rd as Ipswich and Wycombe would get their 3 points chalked off. Would be a disaster for Tranmere, their only points of the season were picked up against Bolton so would join Southend on 0 points.
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Post by londonshrew75 on Aug 26, 2019 17:05:05 GMT 1
All the clubs that play neither of them (Bolton and Bury) should be able to claim compensation from the EFL. It's there fault for letting it drag on into the new season and they will have budgeted for twenty three games not twenty one. There could be alot of people turning up at Division one ticket offices in the next few days claiming money back, so the club's will need conpensating.....?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 27, 2019 8:47:56 GMT 1
I reckon the pair of them will make it. I don't think people tend to want their name associated with such things and as there are clearly interested parties I think it they'll both end up pulling it out of the fire at the last.
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Post by tdk on Aug 27, 2019 9:56:23 GMT 1
Probably. Seems EFL would much rather paper over the cracks instead of sorting mess out and paying compensation
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 27, 2019 10:06:50 GMT 1
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 27, 2019 10:08:21 GMT 1
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Post by londonshrew75 on Aug 27, 2019 10:33:21 GMT 1
Spot on from Ricketts. What the EFL clearly don't understand is, even if the two clubs are saved it's unfair on clubs. If there not saved then it's unfair on other clubs. The fact that I genuinely think it hasn't even crossed their mind, is proof that they are not fit for purpose....
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Post by Mortgagehound on Aug 27, 2019 10:44:51 GMT 1
Assuming Bolton survive
What is the answer to Samuels point?
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Post by northwestman on Aug 27, 2019 10:53:55 GMT 1
Assuming Bolton survive What is the answer to Samuels point? Well, a minimum of a further six point deduction for the 2 games Bolton haven't played. I believe it's a 3-6 point deduction for each game. The Doncaster game should in fact be a 6 points deduction bearing in mind they didn't tell either Doncaster or the EFL before refusing to play. Meanwhile, a minimum 15 points deduction to Bury for not playing their 1st 5 games. That should ensure both are relegated. But still not fair on other Clubs when the 2 of them finally start fielding a proper team.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Aug 27, 2019 11:02:35 GMT 1
I would be ok with further points deductions should they both last out the day...
Essentially fans get club back, but there has to be a bigger punishment for the farce of the start of this season. They have to finish bottom and second bottom... for any league 1 team to finish below them would seem pretty unfair.
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Post by llanymynechshrew on Aug 27, 2019 11:07:24 GMT 1
I would be ok with further points deductions should they both last out the day... Essentially fans get club back, but there has to be a bigger punishment for the farce of the start of this season. They have to finish bottom and second bottom... for any league 1 team to finish below them would seem pretty unfair. I would also say any team gaining promotion on the back of early season 3 point giveaways due to weaken teams would also be unfair.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Aug 27, 2019 11:42:06 GMT 1
I would be ok with further points deductions should they both last out the day... Essentially fans get club back, but there has to be a bigger punishment for the farce of the start of this season. They have to finish bottom and second bottom... for any league 1 team to finish below them would seem pretty unfair. I would also say any team gaining promotion on the back of early season 3 point giveaways due to weaken teams would also be unfair. So do I but I think that ship might of sailed... they they last the day those results and the results of the next few weeks with crap team that they have will stand... To be honest im sure we will be playing a fairly awful Bury team in October and they will be much better in Jan so we might be one of the teams getting a little lucky.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Aug 27, 2019 11:48:29 GMT 1
I think that further points being deducted for both Bolton and Bury is a cast iron certainty and they will both go down if they survive today.
HOWEVER......the most important point relates to Bolton and those teams that have had a free hit e.g. Ipswich who won 5-0 last week, and have the boost to their goal difference plus 3 easy points. Lets imagine we get to the end of the season and Salop miss out on a play off spot to Ipswich on goal difference or a couple of points - we would all point to Ipswichs free hit back in August against Bolton - that would be incredibly unfair.
The EFL have to give some serious thought about how they can level the playing field as this debate could escalate as the season draws to a close. Decisions need to made now by the EFL - not in April 2020
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Post by Scarecrow on Aug 27, 2019 11:53:40 GMT 1
I would also say any team gaining promotion on the back of early season 3 point giveaways due to weaken teams would also be unfair. So do I but I think that ship might of sailed... they they last the day those results and the results of the next few weeks with cr@p team that they have will stand... To be honest im sure we will be playing a fairly awful Bury team in October and they will be much better in Jan so we might be one of the teams getting a little lucky. I’m a bit more cruel than all of you. I think the solution is simply to completely scratch off their fixtures this season and have them automatically start back in league two with a further points punishment once they start next season. That way no one has an unfair benefit this season in playing them but they also take a hit for messing everyone else around. Also it should give them time to completely restructure their clubs which is what they both need. That said I still think both should be thrown out by the end of today.
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Post by philharvey on Aug 27, 2019 13:25:38 GMT 1
Clubs like Accrington were thrown out for less in early 60s
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 13:31:41 GMT 1
Clubs like Accrington were thrown out for less in early 60s Around about £60,000 I think.
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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 27, 2019 15:51:46 GMT 1
Clubs like Accrington were thrown out for less in early 60s Around about £60,000 I think. Sixty grand is a fortune to Accy even now. Heaven knows what it was to them fifty or sixty years ago.
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Post by bordersalopian on Aug 27, 2019 16:14:23 GMT 1
Clubs like Accrington were thrown out for less in early 60s Around about £60,000 I think. Which is the equivalent of about £1.4m today....less than half of what Bury FC owe - not to mention the overspending that we've had to witness create an unfair playing field in L1 over the last few seasons (Bolton, Blackburn & Wigan spring to mind)
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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 27, 2019 16:33:30 GMT 1
Around about £60,000 I think. Which is the equivalent of about £1.4m today....less than half of what Bury FC owe - not to mention the overspending that we've had to witness create an unfair playing field in L1 over the last few seasons (Bolton, Blackburn & Wigan spring to mind) No coincidence that all the teams mentioned there are based in the shadow of Manchester. Chester suffered partly due to their proximity to Merseyside.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 27, 2019 17:22:43 GMT 1
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