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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Nov 21, 2021 11:58:51 GMT 1
I don't see the Summer recruitment as being bad in terms of quality. It just stopped in July. Marosi, Nurse, Leahy, Pennington, Bowman, Bennett all decent enough. Davis okay Cosgrove and Leshabela shockers. Overall the record has been very acceptable, just without a star signing matchwinner like Chapman.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 21, 2021 12:26:50 GMT 1
I don't see the Summer recruitment as being bad in terms of quality. It just stopped in July. Marosi, Nurse, Leahy, Pennington, Bowman, Bennett all decent enough. Davis okay Cosgrove and Leshabela shockers. Overall the record has been very acceptable, just without a star signing matchwinner like Chapman. Pennington league starts for us Played 34 wins 6 draws 8 defeats 20 0.76 points per game 9 League games he didnt start wins 6 draws 1 defeats 2 2.1 points per game legend
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Nov 21, 2021 12:29:30 GMT 1
Marosi, Nurse, Leahy, Pennington, Bowman, Bennett all decent enough. Davis okay Cosgrove and Leshabela shockers. Overall the record has been very acceptable, just without a star signing matchwinner like Chapman. Pennington league starts for us Played 34 wins 6 draws 8 defeats 20 0.76 points per game 9 League games he didnt start wins 6 draws 1 defeats 2 2.1 points per game legend Which part of ‘decent enough’ reads as legend? And I thought yesterday’s defeat was Pierre’s fault not Pennington’s?
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Post by Pilch on Nov 21, 2021 12:33:47 GMT 1
Pennington league starts for us Played 34 wins 6 draws 8 defeats 20 0.76 points per game 9 League games he didnt start wins 6 draws 1 defeats 2 2.1 points per game legend Which part of ‘decent enough’ reads as legend? And I thought yesterday’s defeat was Pierre’s fault not Pennington’s? which part of that reads as 'decent' apart from when he doesnt play ? I've since said the whole 2nd goal was just a complete horror show at the back, im talking about a full season of games not just 1 goal
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 13:03:39 GMT 1
So is Pennington our new scapegoat?
I personally hope not.
As for this thread in general, I've always said that Askey was never ever given enough time. He was always going to be up against it from day one.
As for the continued discussion of Askey vs Ricketts vs Cotterill...well it could carry on until the cows come home and we still wouldn't reach an outcome.
I really think that we should concentrate on the here and now. Every game is now becoming a must win and there is the small matter of the January transfer window to come.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 21, 2021 13:13:57 GMT 1
So is Pennington our new scapegoat? I personally hope not. As for this thread in general, I've always said that Askey was never ever given enough time. He was always going to be up against it from day one. As for the continued discussion of Askey vs Ricketts vs Cotterill...well it could carry on until the cows come home and we still wouldn't reach an outcome. I really think that we should concentrate on the here and now. Every game is now becoming a must win and there is the small matter of the January transfer window to come. can you define 'new' ? this bumping of the thread was specifically about 'here and now' with the hint here and now its not as good as it was 'then', which to many was not acceptable then
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 13:23:22 GMT 1
So is Pennington our new scapegoat? I personally hope not. As for this thread in general, I've always said that Askey was never ever given enough time. He was always going to be up against it from day one. As for the continued discussion of Askey vs Ricketts vs Cotterill...well it could carry on until the cows come home and we still wouldn't reach an outcome. I really think that we should concentrate on the here and now. Every game is now becoming a must win and there is the small matter of the January transfer window to come. can you define 'new' ? this bumping of the thread was specifically about 'here and now' with the hint here and now its not as good as it was 'then', which to many was not acceptable then Take "new" out of the sentence then... Keep the narrative going if you want, I would rather concentrate on the here and now...
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Post by Pilch on Nov 21, 2021 13:29:14 GMT 1
can you define 'new' ? this bumping of the thread was specifically about 'here and now' with the hint here and now its not as good as it was 'then', which to many was not acceptable then Take "new" out of the sentence then... Keep the narrative going if you want, I would rather concentrate on the here and now... but I dont understand why you cannot accept a counter opinion and slagging it off without giving your own instead some said pennington was decent, I disagreed and actually gave some telling stats to back up my opinion if that makes him a scapegoat then yes, but I've questioned him since before he even played for us and ever since, its nothing new
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 13:47:10 GMT 1
Take "new" out of the sentence then... Keep the narrative going if you want, I would rather concentrate on the here and now... but I dont understand why you cannot accept a counter opinion and slagging it off without giving your own instead some said pennington was decent, I disagreed and actually gave some telling stats to back up my opinion if that makes him a scapegoat then yes, but I've questioned him since before he even played for us and ever since, its nothing new No need to get touchy... Like I said, if you want to keep the narrative going then that's fine by me, at no point have I slagged it off. It's my opinion that we concentrate on the here and now, so that's a different opinion, nothing wrong with that.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 21, 2021 14:07:13 GMT 1
but I dont understand why you cannot accept a counter opinion and slagging it off without giving your own instead some said pennington was decent, I disagreed and actually gave some telling stats to back up my opinion if that makes him a scapegoat then yes, but I've questioned him since before he even played for us and ever since, its nothing new No need to get touchy... Like I said, if you want to keep the narrative going then that's fine by me, at no point have I slagged it off. It's my opinion that we concentrate on the here and now, so that's a different opinion, nothing wrong with that. As Ian Anderson once wrote, "Oh we won't give in, Let's go living in the past..." 😅 imagine if I was in a pub and mentioned Askey, and there you are sat at another table, but say out loud your little Ian Anderson quote, not too me but just loud enough so everyone can hear I openly confront you and you tell me not to get touchy I really should give you the same mouthful you gave me last week but dont want to lower myself maybe im just your new scapegoat
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 14:13:25 GMT 1
No need to get touchy... Like I said, if you want to keep the narrative going then that's fine by me, at no point have I slagged it off. It's my opinion that we concentrate on the here and now, so that's a different opinion, nothing wrong with that. As Ian Anderson once wrote, "Oh we won't give in, Let's go living in the past..." 😅 imagine if I was in a pub and mentioned Askey, and there you are sat at another table, but say out loud your little Ian Anderson quote, not too me but just loud enough so everyone can hear I openly confront you and you tell me not to get touchy I really should give you the same mouthful you gave me last week but dont want to lower myself maybe im just your new scapegoat I'm surprised therefore that you can lower yourself to respond As for the Ian Anderson quote, that was in jest...
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Post by Pilch on Nov 21, 2021 14:18:28 GMT 1
imagine if I was in a pub and mentioned Askey, and there you are sat at another table, but say out loud your little Ian Anderson quote, not too me but just loud enough so everyone can hear I openly confront you and you tell me not to get touchy I really should give you the same mouthful you gave me last week but dont want to lower myself maybe im just your new scapegoat I'm surprised therefore that you can lower yourself to respond I make up my own mind in light of available facts, with my own experience and a sense of personal ethics. Ian Anderson
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 14:19:54 GMT 1
I'm surprised therefore that you can lower yourself to respond I make up my own mind in light of available facts, with my own experience and a sense of personal ethics. Ian Anderson Oh, so it's ok for you to quote Ian Anderson but not others....
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Post by Pilch on Nov 21, 2021 14:21:43 GMT 1
I make up my own mind in light of available facts, with my own experience and a sense of personal ethics. Ian Anderson Oh, so it's ok for you to quote Ian Anderson but not others.... I walked over to your table and said it to your face
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 14:22:42 GMT 1
Oh, so it's ok for you to quote Ian Anderson but not others.... I walked over to your table and said it to your face Good for you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2021 15:27:08 GMT 1
One lesson I think we can all draw from this thread is if you don't like the bites, don't set the bait.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 21, 2021 15:37:54 GMT 1
One lesson I think we can all draw from this thread is if you don't like the bites, don't set the bait. you mean if I dont like personal slurs dnot ask an awkward genuine question becasue thats about the sum of it ps was that aimed to me or just about me ?
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Post by Dale on Nov 21, 2021 16:17:07 GMT 1
I see Askey has made a good start at York, losing 2-1 at home to Kettering.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 21, 2021 17:42:14 GMT 1
Pennington is an upgrade on Ro-Shaun Williams.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 21, 2021 18:10:57 GMT 1
Pennington is an upgrade on Ro-Shaun Williams. interesting, I've done your homework for you RSW 79 League starts for the town W 23 D 28 L 28 points per game 1.23 (Pennington was 0.76) didnt start 17 games W 5 D 4 L 8 points per game 1.11 (pennington 2.1)
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Nov 21, 2021 18:12:08 GMT 1
Pennington is an upgrade on Ro-Shaun Williams. interesting, I've done your homework for you RSW 79 League starts for the town W 23 D 28 L 28 points per game 1.23 didnt start 17 games W 5 D 4 L 8 points per game 1.11 Proves that stats can be manipulated to suit any opinion, he’s twice the player of Williams.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 21, 2021 18:16:49 GMT 1
interesting, I've done your homework for you RSW 79 League starts for the town W 23 D 28 L 28 points per game 1.23 didnt start 17 games W 5 D 4 L 8 points per game 1.11 Proves that stats can be manipulated to suit any opinion, he’s twice the player of Williams. I had no idea what RSW stats was going to be when I did that, after Seans post I needed to know maybe you could produce some that show he's better than Virgil
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 21, 2021 23:13:57 GMT 1
Pennington is an upgrade on Ro-Shaun Williams. interesting, I've done your homework for you RSW 79 League starts for the town W 23 D 28 L 28 points per game 1.23 (Pennington was 0.76) didnt start 17 games W 5 D 4 L 8 points per game 1.11 (pennington 2.1) Everyone of those games they have played with team mates. Pennington is a better player than Ro-Shaun Williams.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 22, 2021 0:04:14 GMT 1
interesting, I've done your homework for you RSW 79 League starts for the town W 23 D 28 L 28 points per game 1.23 (Pennington was 0.76) didnt start 17 games W 5 D 4 L 8 points per game 1.11 (pennington 2.1) Everyone of those games they have played with team mates. Pennington is a better player than Ro-Shaun Williams. yes, and for half a season they were actually team mates ( ive done the stats for you for the duration of when they were both at the club ) Pennington started P 18 W 3 D 5 L 10 ppg 0.78 RSW P 21 W 7 D 5 L 9 ppg 1.24 PEN & RSW both starting P 13 W 2 D 4 L 7 ppg 0.77 Pen did not start W 5 D 1 L 2 ppg 2 RSW did not start W 1 D 1 L 3 ppg 0.8 RSW & PEN did not start W 6 D 2 L 5 ppg 1.53 not even close is it, I'd guess Virgil VD and Joe Gomez would come out with similar stats, Joe is the better player of course
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2021 7:29:39 GMT 1
Apart from one poster obviously, do people actually judge a players ability on the teams winning/losing stats? Of course he can be a contributory factor but I'm pretty sure there are 10 other players out there alongside him.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 22, 2021 9:10:13 GMT 1
The only - barely - relevant data of this sort would be games where Williams and Pennington were in the same squad. But then you would come up against the statistical significance of the result.
If you were looking at Whalley's whole career with us then you would have no problem establishing statistical significance.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Nov 22, 2021 10:16:58 GMT 1
And what’s Penningtons v Williams stats this season then?
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Nov 22, 2021 10:23:13 GMT 1
If we are using PPG as a metric for things now... it utterly validates everyone who hounded Askey and Ricketts out of the club and answers the question this thread posed on the first page....
Askey PPG - 1.059 Ricketts PPG - 1.068 Cotterill PPG - 1.120
To be fair though 1.120 is also not amazing.... oh for the days of Hursts 1.662 PPG!
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 22, 2021 10:29:05 GMT 1
If we are using PPG as a metric for things now... it utterly validates everyone who hounded Askey and Ricketts out of the club and answers the question this thread posed on the first page.... Askey PPG - 1.059 Ricketts PPG - 1.068 Cotterill PPG - 1.120 To be fair though 1.120 is also not amazing.... oh for the days of Hursts 1.662 PPG! Ricketts had 17 months longer than Askey as well.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 22, 2021 10:41:58 GMT 1
If we are using PPG as a metric for things now... it utterly validates everyone who hounded Askey and Ricketts out of the club and answers the question this thread posed on the first page.... Askey PPG - 1.059 Ricketts PPG - 1.068 Cotterill PPG - 1.120 To be fair though 1.120 is also not amazing.... oh for the days of Hursts 1.662 PPG! It all comes down to what someone yesterday described as a miracle 3 1-0 away wins Ricketts used his miracles up in the cup Askey didn’t bother using his 😜
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