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Post by Valerioch on Feb 16, 2019 19:10:44 GMT 1
... the grass isn’t always greener.
The football and results are worse than the 10 games leading to Askey’s sacking
What do you martyrs propose we do now?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Feb 16, 2019 19:13:27 GMT 1
Regardless of the Askey In/Out debate which has been done to death, what I do find astounding is that the vocal critics during Askey’s time here seem to have lost their voices now. I don’t advocate getting on the backs of your own, but why on matchdays do those fans seem to be more tolerant of this crap?
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Post by tvor on Feb 16, 2019 19:22:21 GMT 1
Of course we'll never know now, but after getting 14 points from his last 10 games in charge my money would have firmly been on Askey's results continuing to gradually improve had he be given more time.
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Post by shrewsace on Feb 16, 2019 19:24:01 GMT 1
Yeah, puzzled that Ricketts seems to generally afforded far more patience than Askey - seemingly because we don't want to be seen as a sacking club/can't afford it, rather than any conviction he's any good.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 16, 2019 19:34:38 GMT 1
Said it before and I'll say it again, I think there is now an air of resignation over the club and the season. There is now no confidence in the players, less in the manager and even less confidence in the board getting the next managerial appointment right if we were to make a change. I guess the opinion is the club could have learnt some lesson in appointing Askey who had no managerial experience at this level but no, they have made the same mistake again. I think after Askey and now with Ricketts there is a fair amount of lethargy about, an acceptance that the managerial appointments were wrong and it's a case of "why bother", nothing is going to change. I think the reason we're not seeing calls for Ricketts as we did for Askey is that a fair few fans are now starting to question whether the reason why things are going too well might well rest elsewhere within the the club... From what I recall from another thread both Askey and Ricketts have had some of the worst starts ever from a Town manager. Both were recruited without having managed once game at this level (possibly the football league? not sure about Askey). It is these two appointments that have done for the season. Both seemed to meet some criteria the club are now looking to recruit. I guess fewer and fewer people believe they wouldn't simply make the same mistake again...
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Post by quinnster on Feb 16, 2019 19:41:40 GMT 1
Well Askey was straight after Hurst,on the rebound.....relationships seldom work lol. Resignation acceptance by many of the fans , we are a laid back bunch unless ya like chucking a bottle. Attendances still healthy, doubt this form would accept as in places like Vale, Walsall or Pompey. Our anger hadn't manifested...it's been withered.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Feb 16, 2019 19:45:35 GMT 1
The games against Charlton, Luton and Burton have been dreadful: the low point of the season so far.
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Post by tvor on Feb 16, 2019 19:53:36 GMT 1
The games against Charlton, Luton and Burton have been dreadful: the low point of the season so far. You can certainly add the game at Bradford to that list too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 19:53:58 GMT 1
Head above the trench and helmet on ready for incoming flak but.....The chairman should’ve stood firm rather than bow down to ultimatums (allegedly), we wouldn’t be having these problems with the return of Hurst and Doig
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Feb 16, 2019 19:55:41 GMT 1
Head above the trench and helmet on ready for incoming flak but.....The chairman should’ve stood firm rather than bow down to ultimatums (allegedly), we wouldn’t be having these problems with the return of Hurst and Doig This.
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Post by londonshrew75 on Feb 16, 2019 19:57:15 GMT 1
For those who were at Fleetwood..........Yeah. Exactly. Just because Ricketts isn't working, doesn't mean getting rid of Askey wasn't the right decision? Maybe they should have pursueded Coyne to stay on until the end of the season? Him not saying yes to the position was probably part of the reason why they hired Ricketts. Either way we're done for now. His post match comments are staggering "We have to grind out results with the position we are in"...Yeah. Next week maybe ! Not at home to f*****g Burton! Somewhere soon we have to get seven points out of nine. I'd be really looking to get Barrow in. Nice little bonus if you can keep us up, then re asess in May.If we don't change things then we're down. We've won Seven games this season!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 20:04:36 GMT 1
Regardless of the Askey In/Out debate which has been done to death, I know, but just for the sake of rubbing it in the faces of the thick clowns who merrily sang “you don’t know what you’re doing” to Askey just a few games into the season, after literally rebuilding from scratch, top to bottom, can we do it again?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 16, 2019 20:07:18 GMT 1
It's not the fans who replaced him with someone who appears to be turning out worse.
The fans didn't appoint either, and neither has been good enough.
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Post by northwestman on Feb 16, 2019 20:24:02 GMT 1
The games against Charlton, Luton and Burton have been dreadful: the low point of the season so far. You can add Fleetwood to that list. What a rotten way to spend New Years Day watching that!
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Post by Liam on Feb 16, 2019 20:25:56 GMT 1
... the grass isn’t always greener. The football and results are worse than the 10 games leading to Askey’s sacking What do you martyrs propose we do now? Askey was not hounded out. He received only mild criticism at games, and far, far less vitriol during his final days than Mellon, Jackson, Simpson, Peters, Quinn, Ratcliffe, etc, etc, etc. Perhaps more importantly though, his points per game ratio was 1.05. If he had been allowed to continue with that, we would currently have...34 points, so basically exactly the same as what we have now (assuming he had eventually worked out that Okenabirhe belonged on the pitch ahead of Angol and AAH). That ratio would also have got us relegated in both of the last two seasons, btw. However, the fact is nevertheless that Ricketts deserves to be under far, far more pressure. Really he ought to be at most 2-3 games from the sack after that. The only thing saving him from scrutiny seems to be everyone's (and particularly the board's) embarrassment at the idea of sacking 2 managers in a season, but embarrassment seems a very poor reason for everyone to just quietly accept relegation like they seem to be at the moment. I'm not even convinced that we can't afford it after the Woods transfer and the Cup run.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 20:27:27 GMT 1
It's not the fans who replaced him with someone who appears to be turning out worse. The fans didn't appoint either, and neither has been good enough. Bang on and the man who headhunted both is seemingly sitting pretty and deemed untouchable - maybe his wife would like to comment on his behalf
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 16, 2019 20:34:29 GMT 1
Those fans who sang “you don’t know what you’re doing” at Askey clocked him from the off. They were ultimately proved right. He wasn't up to the task, simple as.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Feb 16, 2019 20:40:04 GMT 1
... the grass isn’t always greener. The football and results are worse than the 10 games leading to Askey’s sacking What do you martyrs propose we do now? Askey was not hounded out. He received only mild criticism at games, and far, far less vitriol during his final days than Mellon, Jackson, Simpson, Peters, Quinn, Ratcliffe, etc, etc, etc. Perhaps more importantly though, his points per game ratio was 1.05. If he had been allowed to continue with that, we would currently have...34 points, so basically exactly the same as what we have now (assuming he had eventually worked out that Okenabirhe belonged on the pitch ahead of Angol and AAH). That ratio would also have got us relegated in both of the last two seasons, btw. However, the fact is nevertheless that Ricketts deserves to be under far, far more pressure. Really Ricketts ought to be at most 2-3 games from the sack after that. The only thing saving him from scrutiny seems to be everyone's (and particularly the board's) embarrassment at the idea of sacking 2 managers in a season, but embarrassment seems a very poor reason for everyone to just quietly accept relegation like they seem to be at the moment. I'm not even convinced that we can't afford it after the Woods transfer and the Cup run. Askey wasn’t hounded out and received only mild criticisms!!!!! Really.......I cannot believe you think that. Since following Town since 1969 I have never witnessed such hatred shown to one of our managers, from chants of ‘you don’t know what your doing’ just a handful of games into the season, through to ‘**** off Askey’ after 10 games Based on this treatment I was amazed Mr Ricketts wasn’t lynched when he clapped the fans tonight
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 20:41:26 GMT 1
Its the Footballing example of a 'be careful what you wish for'
and I wanted the snake back all along :-)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 20:46:16 GMT 1
Indeed. So up not up to the task he left us above and clear of the relegation zone.
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Post by Liam on Feb 16, 2019 20:47:49 GMT 1
Askey was not hounded out. He received only mild criticism at games, and far, far less vitriol during his final days than Mellon, Jackson, Simpson, Peters, Quinn, Ratcliffe, etc, etc, etc. Perhaps more importantly though, his points per game ratio was 1.05. If he had been allowed to continue with that, we would currently have...34 points, so basically exactly the same as what we have now (assuming he had eventually worked out that Okenabirhe belonged on the pitch ahead of Angol and AAH). That ratio would also have got us relegated in both of the last two seasons, btw. However, the fact is nevertheless that Ricketts deserves to be under far, far more pressure. Really Ricketts ought to be at most 2-3 games from the sack after that. The only thing saving him from scrutiny seems to be everyone's (and particularly the board's) embarrassment at the idea of sacking 2 managers in a season, but embarrassment seems a very poor reason for everyone to just quietly accept relegation like they seem to be at the moment. I'm not even convinced that we can't afford it after the Woods transfer and the Cup run. Askey wasn’t hounded out and received only mild criticisms!!!!! Really.......I cannot believe you think that. Since following Town since 1969 I have never witnessed such hatred shown to one of our managers, from chants of ‘you don’t know what your doing’ just a handful of games into the season, through to ‘**** off Askey’ after 10 games Based on this treatment I was amazed Mr Ricketts wasn’t lynched when he clapped the fans tonight The "you don't know what you're doing" during the first month of the season was clearly out of order. I can't say I heard much else, other than "we want Askey out" after Oxford away, which remains for me the worst game of the season and one of the worst Shrewsbury games I've ever seen - and there's plenty of competition for both categories. Previous managers have had loud, aggressive booing from all corners of the ground for several matches at a time. Askey got nothing close (I'm not suggesting that he should have, btw) The game that really stood out for me was away at Wimbledon, in what turned out to be his last league game. The away fans couldn't have been closer to the dugout, and the first half was absolutely dreadful (as was the second actually), and still no-one took the opportunity to shout anything untoward.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 20:56:53 GMT 1
Fans proved right? In what way were they proved right, unless of course the season is now only a couple of months long and Askeys remit was to have us top three by bonfire night
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Post by venceremos on Feb 16, 2019 20:58:10 GMT 1
The games against Charlton, Luton and Burton have been dreadful: the low point of the season so far. Agreed, although I’d add Fleetwood to make it a quadruple of trash.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 16, 2019 21:00:23 GMT 1
Askey was not hounded out. He received only mild criticism at games, and far, far less vitriol during his final days than Mellon, Jackson, Simpson, Peters, Quinn, Ratcliffe, etc, etc, etc. Perhaps more importantly though, his points per game ratio was 1.05. If he had been allowed to continue with that, we would currently have...34 points, so basically exactly the same as what we have now (assuming he had eventually worked out that Okenabirhe belonged on the pitch ahead of Angol and AAH). That ratio would also have got us relegated in both of the last two seasons, btw. However, the fact is nevertheless that Ricketts deserves to be under far, far more pressure. Really Ricketts ought to be at most 2-3 games from the sack after that. The only thing saving him from scrutiny seems to be everyone's (and particularly the board's) embarrassment at the idea of sacking 2 managers in a season, but embarrassment seems a very poor reason for everyone to just quietly accept relegation like they seem to be at the moment. I'm not even convinced that we can't afford it after the Woods transfer and the Cup run. Askey wasn’t hounded out and received only mild criticisms!!!!! Really.......I cannot believe you think that. Since following Town since 1969 I have never witnessed such hatred shown to one of our managers, from chants of ‘you don’t know what your doing’ just a handful of games into the season, through to ‘**** off Askey’ after 10 games Based on this treatment I was amazed Mr Ricketts wasn’t lynched when he clapped the fans tonight You must have missed that game under Simpson when some of our fans were cheering for Macclesfield.
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Post by Liam on Feb 16, 2019 21:02:37 GMT 1
Askey wasn’t hounded out and received only mild criticisms!!!!! Really.......I cannot believe you think that. Since following Town since 1969 I have never witnessed such hatred shown to one of our managers, from chants of ‘you don’t know what your doing’ just a handful of games into the season, through to ‘**** off Askey’ after 10 games Based on this treatment I was amazed Mr Ricketts wasn’t lynched when he clapped the fans tonight You must have missed that game under Simpson when some of our fans were cheering for Macclesfield. Now THAT was hostile!
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Post by Mortgagehound on Feb 16, 2019 21:04:19 GMT 1
Askey wasn’t hounded out and received only mild criticisms!!!!! Really.......I cannot believe you think that. Since following Town since 1969 I have never witnessed such hatred shown to one of our managers, from chants of ‘you don’t know what your doing’ just a handful of games into the season, through to ‘**** off Askey’ after 10 games Based on this treatment I was amazed Mr Ricketts wasn’t lynched when he clapped the fans tonight You must have missed that game under Simpson when some of our fans were cheering for Macclesfield. But I didn’t miss the Salford game......
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Post by venceremos on Feb 16, 2019 21:05:05 GMT 1
You must have missed that game under Simpson when some of our fans were cheering for Macclesfield. Now THAT was hostile! It was horrible. Definitely one of the lowest points in my time watching Town. Think we drew in the end!
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Post by venceremos on Feb 16, 2019 21:07:06 GMT 1
You must have missed that game under Simpson when some of our fans were cheering for Macclesfield. But I didn’t miss the Salford game...... Nor me - nothing like as ugly. Just one nasty outburst at the end, not sustained vitriol directed against the manager and his team as there was against Macc.
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Post by tvor on Feb 16, 2019 21:07:26 GMT 1
Perhaps more importantly though, his points per game ratio was 1.05. It was overall but it was slowly improving, it was 1.4 from his last 10 games in charge and, as I said earlier, my money would have been on that gradually improving further had he been given more time. Even if it hadn't, 1.4 points per game is the stuff of fantasy under Ricketts.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Feb 16, 2019 21:09:15 GMT 1
But I didn’t miss the Salford game...... Nor me - nothing like as ugly. Just one nasty outburst at the end, not sustained vitriol directed against the manager and his team as there was against Macc. After only 10 games? Bears no comparison to the final days of Mr Simpson though
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