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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 11:13:27 GMT 1
Its just about feeling about in the dark hoping the stumble across a wining formula... As well, course, as having a wide range of post match anecdotes to pull from, a winning smile and a lovely cuddly way with words. And not forgetting of course, that all important post match round of applause. If you’ve got all that, then you’re a winner son!!
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Post by northwestman on Feb 17, 2019 11:13:39 GMT 1
replaced a fast centre half with a slow one. Fully agree with the post, though would say he tried to drop Sadler for the quicker Beckles, but faced an outcry. Beckles might be quicker, but the overall standard of his game has been poor for most of the season. He's been at fault for a number of goals.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 17, 2019 11:29:33 GMT 1
I don't recall saying that above, whats happening with the board... Anyhow, I can't be doing with the smiling, boring and waving malarkey. I don't think anyone would have cared a jot about any of that if he was anything like half decent at this level. He wasn't. He wasn't sacked because fans found him dull. He's in another job now. Lets see how he does at Vale. If he's as good as some here think he is then he now has the opportunity to prove that. No doubt he'll have the chance to put one over us as soon as next season. Thanks in no small part to our blistering start to the season under his stewardship...
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Post by quinnster on Feb 17, 2019 11:42:02 GMT 1
Well its default for RW to appoint young hungry Managers, hardly big names or celeb types. Likes of Robbie Fowler/Dean Saunders rejected. ....back to the car...bye. My guess their impression of Rioketts was he fitted the mould that is STFC. Lower league from a rival club....., my main point is his radio Salop interviews clue me that he interviewed well. He talks a good plot, more so than Askey ever did, he underwhelmed, even at the pre season intro at the Sovereign Suite in the summer. Askeys strength was after the Hurst debacle, Askey was a "loyal" employee before he applied here........COYB.
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Post by chestershrew on Feb 17, 2019 13:21:00 GMT 1
He then tried to shuffle his formation, but these problems remained. No idea if this plays out in truth but you just feel that when you have a manager in place who is changing things about each and every week when it comes to selection and formation it just gives the impression that they are out of their depth. That they really do not know what is needed to compete at that level. We have seen that with both Askey and Ricketts. It's as if they don't even have belief in themselves and their own methods to succeed at this level. Its just about feeling about in the dark hoping the stumble across a wining formula... I would certainly agree. I have respect for a manger that can tweak his side during the game to expose an opposition weakness, or to nullify a way we are being attacked. But to shuffle each week does not show a belief in your own system and players. I believe you should have a formation you play to, and not worry too much about the opposition, let them worry about you. That said there has to be a balance between attack and defence and players knowing their roles with the ball, without and in transition.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 14:05:50 GMT 1
... the grass isn’t always greener. The football and results are worse than the 10 games leading to Askey’s sacking What do you martyrs propose we do now? Aye yeah we were flying under Askey. And he's made another flying start at Vale. A good chunk of the blame for our current woe is down to him....the club rightly sacked him and then botched the replacement.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 14:06:54 GMT 1
Nor me - nothing like as ugly. Just one nasty outburst at the end, not sustained vitriol directed against the manager and his team as there was against Macc. Not even close. Although "not as toxic as Simpson" isn't a very high bar. Nevertheless, I could count on the fingers of one hand the times Askey got any real s**t. Anyway, that particular argument is a moot point. I note that no-one has answered my comments about 1.05 points per game and an all-carthorse forward line. Like SR - Askey doesn't really strike me as the sort of person to be upset about being called an idiot.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 14:17:05 GMT 1
But we don’t have to fly. Jesus wept we were building a new team from scratch. New players new management. Why is it so difficult to understand that sometimes it’s takes time. Success usually has to be worked hard for and earned. The biggest problem Askey had was our success the year before and the feeling amongst some fans that our starting point for the season should be a glittering continuation of the previous season.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Feb 17, 2019 14:40:10 GMT 1
But we don’t have to fly. Jesus wept we were building a new team from scratch. New players new management. Why is it so difficult to understand that sometimes it’s takes time. Success usually has to be worked hard for and earned. The biggest problem Askey had was our success the year before and the feeling amongst some fans that our starting point for the season should be a glittering continuation of the previous season. I don't get this line of thinking that some fans were looking for continuation of the previous season - i'm not sure who these fans are or where they have said this? I know it can take time to build a new team, although it wasnt exactly from scratch. Askey also had significant funds (for us) to do that rebuild with a significant amount of signings - very few of which have worked out. Personally I'd think its quite advantageous for a new manager to come in with lots of room to maneuver in the market so that he can build a side he wants rather than being stuck with someone else's players who don't fit in with what he wants. But this is old news anyway it's been at least 3 months since the change so I'm not sure why it's still being discussed and it doesn't excuse the poor job his replacement has done
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Post by tdk on Feb 17, 2019 15:00:29 GMT 1
Fully agree with the post, though would say he tried to drop Sadler for the quicker Beckles, but faced an outcry. Beckles might be quicker, but the overall standard of his game has been poor for most of the season. He's been at fault for a number of goals. Quite agree, not a fan of Beckles this season. At the time though Askey wanted to replace Sadler and Toto. Beckles had made L1 team of the season while playing out of position. You can see his thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 15:30:23 GMT 1
Fully agree with the post, though would say he tried to drop Sadler for the quicker Beckles, but faced an outcry. Your right. I said the same on a different threat a week or so ago. We all complained when he dropped Sadler for the first game, but obviously saw in training what we saw after 8 games. Wonder what would have happened if we had given Waterfall and Beckles time to bed in? I think we would have been better, but still think we were too unfit as a team to compete, and concede too many chances by not closing teams down in the middle of the field. The sadler dropped game was Charlton away. A game we easily competed in and had good chances to win. Charltons winner came from sloppy play by Grant, Haynes and Coleman, certainly not either Waterfall nor Beckles. As per though the sages of shropshire and I include certain radio pundits in this decided the defeat was because Askey dropped the captain and thus he was restored.
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Post by Scarecrow on Feb 17, 2019 15:53:01 GMT 1
Not much 'placid' about Askeys last few weeks Stutty. Agreed the early results were poor. But context is everything. The squad had been gutted in the summer. The talent we had lost was unprecedented. The icing on the cake was the Nolo/Toto 'strike' and subsequent departure on the eve of the opening match of the season. So on top of everything else we'd lost our two best players. Askey was asked to backfill these by signing Waterfall on the cheap and bringing in Greg Doch on loan. Of course the previous season set expectations high. There is no doubt about this. Our League One record in recent seasons is this: 16th, 23rd, 20th, 18th & of course 3rd. Given the trauma of the summer should we have expected much more than the 18th place Askey had us in despite the poor start? I think that record in League 1 demonstrates that the problem is higher than the manager. Bar last season we’ve never had a comfortable boring season in this division and it’s because our club refuses to invest in players to stabilise the club in the division. Every year it’s always players far down the football pyramid or young lightweight players released by premier league clubs. Why can we never just sign ordinary players for this division?
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Feb 17, 2019 15:58:52 GMT 1
Not much 'placid' about Askeys last few weeks Stutty. Agreed the early results were poor. But context is everything. The squad had been gutted in the summer. The talent we had lost was unprecedented. The icing on the cake was the Nolo/Toto 'strike' and subsequent departure on the eve of the opening match of the season. So on top of everything else we'd lost our two best players. Askey was asked to backfill these by signing Waterfall on the cheap and bringing in Greg Doch on loan. Of course the previous season set expectations high. There is no doubt about this. Our League One record in recent seasons is this: 16th, 23rd, 20th, 18th & of course 3rd. Given the trauma of the summer should we have expected much more than the 18th place Askey had us in despite the poor start? I think that record in League 1 demonstrates that the problem is higher than the manager. Bar last season we’ve never had a comfortable boring season in this division and it’s because our club refuses to invest in players to stabilise the club in the division. Every year it’s always players far down the football pyramid or young lightweight players released by premier league clubs. Why can we never just sign ordinary players for this division? Look where MM's "League One Ready" players got us ..... player churn over last few years has been incredible.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 17, 2019 16:16:46 GMT 1
But we don’t have to fly. Jesus wept we were building a new team from scratch. New players new management. Why is it so difficult to understand that sometimes it’s takes time. Success usually has to be worked hard for and earned. The biggest problem Askey had was our success the year before and the feeling amongst some fans that our starting point for the season should be a glittering continuation of the previous season. I don't get this line of thinking that some fans were looking for continuation of the previous season - i'm not sure who these fans are or where they have said this? Exactly. I'm at a complete loss as to why people keep pointing to last season in that regard. It wasn't the fact that we weren't troubling the promotion or the play off spots this time around, it's that we were a poor side that look set to be a part of a relegation scrap. Something that we would much rather avoid considering we'd like to get set and consolidated at this level.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 17, 2019 16:34:19 GMT 1
Not much 'placid' about Askeys last few weeks Stutty. Really though? I mean I was surprised when he was sacked, I doubt anyone would say it was nailed on. Don't get me wrong there was of course a fair few fans who wanted to move on but I didn't get the impression that there was a pressure building on the club to do something or? I heard the Askey out chants at Oxford but did we see that again, where we had the majority of fans calling for him to be sacked? There was an awful lot of grumbling of course but considering the performances and results that was a given. I'm sure there would have been supporters vocal of their disapproval but I would be surprised to hear that that would have been the majority in attendance?
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Post by jimmyrobbo on Feb 17, 2019 17:10:33 GMT 1
The idea Askey wasn't hounded out is b0ll0x. A large proportion of the fan base wanted him gone. I'm not talking B&A, but out and about in the pubs and even my workplace. The atmosphere at the ground was clear before Askey went. Thing is, the CEO and Chair choked. Fair enough, ultimately it's their decision, but to think they didn't half an eye on what was happening around and about is, again, b0ll0x. But, he's gone and here we are. The fans never took to him (nor the players, by all accounts), and the board clearly picked up on this. However, they did not "hound him out". That suggests raging protests. There were none of those. As I posted after the Stoke game, more Meadow-based abuse was given to Gary Rowett in 90 minutes than Askey got all season. "Gary Rowett, your football is s**t"; "we're s**t and we know we are" all game - THAT was a hounding. Askey got nothing close to that, though he did get a lot of sullen resentment based on his failure to inspire. I think that's fair - inspiring is part of a manager's job in any profession. Name one player that didn't take to him. I call you out. You're talking nonsense. I know nobody that doesn't like him that has played for him. One of his main strengths are that he is an outstanding man manager.
I guess that means the rest of your post is garbage too. And probably every post you've ever made. Hopefully, something you might eventually hit on.
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Post by jimmyrobbo on Feb 17, 2019 17:12:55 GMT 1
The league doesn't work on points ratios. It works on league placings. Aye, league placings in May, which are calculated on season long point-per-game ratios. Put it like this: imagine you draw two of the first three games. You're on two points, but you're sixteenth. Which conclusion do you draw? 1) we're sixteenth, so 0.66 points per game for the rest of the season will keep us here. 2) based on all statistical data from all previous seasons, this will take us down if we don't improve? You know what the answer is. You are also being very political about giving a straight answer to my straight questions. Based The conclusion I draw is that you know nothing. I conclude that you have never been anywhere noticeable in football and that is why you are talking garbage on here.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 17, 2019 17:21:44 GMT 1
Nor me - nothing like as ugly. Just one nasty outburst at the end, not sustained vitriol directed against the manager and his team as there was against Macc. After only 10 games? Bears no comparison to the final days of Mr Simpson though i cant remember the game but i was not far the dugout and Simpson got a lot of abuse ,how many times have we been here with a manager who does not have a clue and a team playing turgid football.it is so disappointing 12 league games and apart from two FA cup games all we have done is go backwards and slide down the table
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Post by jimmyrobbo on Feb 17, 2019 17:42:01 GMT 1
Not even close. Although "not as toxic as Simpson" isn't a very high bar. Nevertheless, I could count on the fingers of one hand the times Askey got any real s**t. Anyway, that particular argument is a moot point. I note that no-one has answered my comments about 1.05 points per game and an all-carthorse forward line. Like SR - Askey doesn't really strike me as the sort of person to be upset about being called an idiot. Fair enough. It strikes me that you don't mind people thinking you are an idiot either, judging by your endless drivel.
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Post by chestershrew on Feb 17, 2019 17:56:12 GMT 1
Your right. I said the same on a different threat a week or so ago. We all complained when he dropped Sadler for the first game, but obviously saw in training what we saw after 8 games. Wonder what would have happened if we had given Waterfall and Beckles time to bed in? I think we would have been better, but still think we were too unfit as a team to compete, and concede too many chances by not closing teams down in the middle of the field. The sadler dropped game was Charlton away. A game we easily competed in and had good chances to win. Charltons winner came from sloppy play by Grant, Haynes and Coleman, certainly not either Waterfall nor Beckles. As per though the sages of shropshire and I include certain radio pundits in this decided the defeat was because Askey dropped the captain and thus he was restored. The only defence I can suggest is that because we had lost so many players from last years successful season, to find Sadler also dropped was disappointing for fans. However in heighdsight a back four with Sadler and Waterfall is too slow, and was always going to be.
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Post by Liam on Feb 17, 2019 18:04:17 GMT 1
The fans never took to him (nor the players, by all accounts), and the board clearly picked up on this. However, they did not "hound him out". That suggests raging protests. There were none of those. As I posted after the Stoke game, more Meadow-based abuse was given to Gary Rowett in 90 minutes than Askey got all season. "Gary Rowett, your football is s**t"; "we're s**t and we know we are" all game - THAT was a hounding. Askey got nothing close to that, though he did get a lot of sullen resentment based on his failure to inspire. I think that's fair - inspiring is part of a manager's job in any profession. Name one player that didn't take to him. I call you out. You're talking nonsense. I know nobody that doesn't like him that has played for him. One of his main strengths are that he is an outstanding man manager.
I guess that means the rest of your post is garbage too. And probably every post you've ever made. Hopefully, something you might eventually hit on.
I was referring to rumour and conjecture, I will freely admit. That's why I said "by all accounts" not "I'm ITK with the players and they all told me they hate Askey". He may well be a very good coach and man manager, but he didn't show it at Shrewsbury. Perhaps he will at Port Vale. The way things are going he's probably going to get his chance to show us all next season. I'd respond to your points about football in this and the other post, but you haven't made any so sadly that won't be possible.
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Post by bellevuesalopian on Feb 17, 2019 18:06:55 GMT 1
Is it just me, I don’t want to hear from Caldwell I want to hear from the man who makes the decisions and that’s Rolland. Anyone who knows the chairman knows he calls the shots, he makes the big calls. I’ve knew him many years back and I will tell you now, his loyalty for Shrewsbury is only outdone for his loyalty to himself. He will sell us down the river if it makes him more money. Time for the fans Parliament guys to start asking the important questions and if they do that’s where they earn their credit, not burgers or bars or chips!
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Post by Scarecrow on Feb 17, 2019 18:08:08 GMT 1
The fans never took to him (nor the players, by all accounts), and the board clearly picked up on this. However, they did not "hound him out". That suggests raging protests. There were none of those. As I posted after the Stoke game, more Meadow-based abuse was given to Gary Rowett in 90 minutes than Askey got all season. "Gary Rowett, your football is s**t"; "we're s**t and we know we are" all game - THAT was a hounding. Askey got nothing close to that, though he did get a lot of sullen resentment based on his failure to inspire. I think that's fair - inspiring is part of a manager's job in any profession. Name one player that didn't take to him. I call you out. You're talking nonsense. I know nobody that doesn't like him that has played for him. One of his main strengths are that he is an outstanding man manager.
I guess that means the rest of your post is garbage too. And probably every post you've ever made. Hopefully, something you might eventually hit on.
If rumours are to be believed Whalley and the players from last season had massive issues with training sessions compared to those under Hurst.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 18:14:07 GMT 1
Is it just me, I don’t want to hear from Caldwell I want to hear from the man who makes the decisions and that’s Rolland. Anyone who knows the chairman knows he calls the shots, he makes the big calls. I’ve knew him many years back and I will tell you now, his loyalty for Shrewsbury is only outdone for his loyalty to himself. He will sell us down the river if it makes him more money. Time for the fans Parliament guys to start asking the important questions and if they do that’s where they earn their credit, not burgers or bars or chips! Do you honestly think that Roland would entertain such a discussion with the SP? I doubt it very much.
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Post by bellevuesalopian on Feb 17, 2019 18:31:20 GMT 1
Should he have a choice? If fans want answers the pressure should be put on to get them. As he’s said at Christmas he’s the custodian of the club, like he really believes that!
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Post by jimmyrobbo on Feb 17, 2019 18:44:35 GMT 1
Name one player that didn't take to him. I call you out. You're talking nonsense. I know nobody that doesn't like him that has played for him. One of his main strengths are that he is an outstanding man manager.
I guess that means the rest of your post is garbage too. And probably every post you've ever made. Hopefully, something you might eventually hit on.
I was referring to rumour and conjecture, I will freely admit. That's why I said "by all accounts" not "I'm ITK with the players and they all told me they hate Askey". He may well be a very good coach and man manager, but he didn't show it at Shrewsbury. Perhaps he will at Port Vale. The way things are going he's probably going to get his chance to show us all next season. I'd respond to your points about football in this and the other post, but you haven't made any so sadly that won't be possible. Why propel nonsense if you have no evidence of it? Like I said, I know no player who does not like JA.
It frustrates me that the likes of you seem to think it fair game to repeat such untruths without thought. No wonder we are in the predicament we are in.
Ps. I'm not asking you to respond to my posts about 'football'; just to explain your lack of substance in the claptrap you post. You failed miserably to substantiate it. As expected. Most people on here can't evidence the nature of their criticisms.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 18:45:52 GMT 1
I can imagine Roland's response. Take it up with Brian. I get the impression that Roland would like to keep the rank and file at arm's length 😕
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Post by horse01 on Feb 17, 2019 18:46:46 GMT 1
I was referring to rumour and conjecture, I will freely admit. That's why I said "by all accounts" not "I'm ITK with the players and they all told me they hate Askey". He may well be a very good coach and man manager, but he didn't show it at Shrewsbury. Perhaps he will at Port Vale. The way things are going he's probably going to get his chance to show us all next season. I'd respond to your points about football in this and the other post, but you haven't made any so sadly that won't be possible. Why propel nonsense if you have no evidence of it? Like I said, I know no player who does not like JA.
It frustrates me that the likes of you seem to think it fair game to repeat such untruths without thought. No wonder we are in the predicament we are in.
Ps. I'm not asking you to respond to my posts about 'football'; just to explain your lack of substance in the claptrap you post. You failed miserably to substantiate it. As expected. Most people on here can't evidence the nature of their criticisms.
And where is your evidence to the contrary....?
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Post by jimmyrobbo on Feb 17, 2019 18:47:16 GMT 1
Name one player that didn't take to him. I call you out. You're talking nonsense. I know nobody that doesn't like him that has played for him. One of his main strengths are that he is an outstanding man manager.
I guess that means the rest of your post is garbage too. And probably every post you've ever made. Hopefully, something you might eventually hit on.
If rumours are to be believed Whalley and the players from last season had massive issues with training sessions compared to those under Hurst. Which players? Hardly any of them trained under both. Name them. I have been present under both and there hasn't been much to criticize other than PR cliches.
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Post by jimmyrobbo on Feb 17, 2019 18:51:21 GMT 1
Why propel nonsense if you have no evidence of it? Like I said, I know no player who does not like JA.
It frustrates me that the likes of you seem to think it fair game to repeat such untruths without thought. No wonder we are in the predicament we are in.
Ps. I'm not asking you to respond to my posts about 'football'; just to explain your lack of substance in the claptrap you post. You failed miserably to substantiate it. As expected. Most people on here can't evidence the nature of their criticisms.
And where is your evidence to the contrary....? Funnily enough, I've been to Sundorne under both and have witnessed. Beautifully, I didn't make the falsehood and didn't need to justify my statement. I'm asking where his evidence was. If we're going to castigate someone, we need at least to be able to substantiate such a claim. Evidently, there is nothing to support it other than idiotic rumours without substance.
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