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Post by stfcfan87 on Oct 7, 2016 19:39:22 GMT 1
Look at Morecambe gate.........barely 1500 watching every week. Nothing drastic is going to change that, plus Morecambe don't have a training ground and are training at various dogs**t parks regularly. It's a no brainer for Bentley if he is approached and an opportunity that might not arise again. Morecambe are a conference club punching above their weight while the Shrews set up screams wannabe championship level! good points some people only look at the league position a club is in rather than the circumstances. What more could Morecambe achieve? |
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Post by kl85 on Oct 7, 2016 19:56:29 GMT 1
Why would that be important? It's not important, it's essential. Great. WHY? |
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Post by Sam AFCTU on Oct 7, 2016 20:54:55 GMT 1
Friendly neighbour here. I love Big Jim but don't think he is the right guy for you and he is waiting for his opportunity down at the NBH anyway! You lot are crying out for a 'big name' manager and Kenny Jackett would be perfect and would probably get you into the Championship within couple of seasons. We knew MM quite well from his Fleetwood days where he had a budget which meant he could buy any player who looked half decent so his record was a bit distorted. He paid £250k for Vardy which is a stupid amount of money in non-league football, not the right man for a well managed club.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 20:56:24 GMT 1
I think some people including and maybe worryingly RW are falling into a trap here of thinking of the possible potential of an untried outsider like Bentley.
I put it to anyone involved with STFC and it's hopes of moving forward in league 1 that we cannot take a risk on someone who lets face it can't even hack it in league 2 as a manager.
People will come back and say Morecombe are on their arse , little crowds, little budget etc etc so just think what he might do with a club with a higher budget, bigger crowds etc etc.
Key word there is 'might'!! We don't need a might, we need a definite tried and tested league 1 experienced manager who we know can.
Jackett, Evans and Holloway can and have, that's what we need.
Maybe we can't afford these people and i'm moaning over an impossible aspiration but this is a crossroads for this club for sure. We either stump up and get a manager who can push us up the league and possible play off's or we choose someone who in my honest opinion is worse than the guy we've just got rid of and mediocrity further ever more back in league 2.
I want to see our club achieve it's full potential. We were once upon a time a league 2 (championship) club for ten years and Burton have proved that is a possibility now. That might never happen for us but to at least try and aspire to get there is all I want to see.
Quite frankly if that ambition isn't there then neither is my interest.
As a Shrewsbury fan that is just the way I look at it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 21:21:47 GMT 1
Bentley & McKenna as his assistant....doesn't inspire does it?
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Post by kuffdam72 on Oct 7, 2016 21:24:16 GMT 1
No thanks
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Post by mightyshrew on Oct 7, 2016 21:39:04 GMT 1
I think some people including and maybe worryingly RW are falling into a trap here of thinking of the possible potential of an untried outsider like Bentley. I put it to anyone involved with STFC and it's hopes of moving forward in league 1 that we cannot take a risk on someone who lets face it can't even hack it in league 2 as a manager. People will come back and say Morecombe are on their arse , little crowds, little budget etc etc so just think what he might do with a club with a higher budget, bigger crowds etc etc. Key word there is 'might'!! We don't need a might, we need a definite tried and tested league 1 experienced manager who we know can. Jackett, Evans and Holloway can and have, that's what we need. Maybe we can't afford these people and i'm moaning over an impossible aspiration but this is a crossroads for this club for sure. We either stump up and get a manager who can push us up the league and possible play off's or we choose someone who in my honest opinion is worse than the guy we've just got rid of and mediocrity further ever more back in league 2. I want to see our club achieve it's full potential. We were once upon a time a league 2 (championship) club for ten years and Burton have proved that is a possibility now. That might never happen for us but to at least try and aspire to get there is all I want to see. Quite frankly if that ambition isn't there then neither is my interest. As a Shrewsbury fan that is just the way I look at it. Best post I've read on here in the last 2 days |
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Post by thesensationaljt on Oct 7, 2016 21:42:37 GMT 1
It's not important, it's essential. Great. WHY?
If you have to ask, you obviously aren't familiar with STFC
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 21:44:35 GMT 1
I think some people including and maybe worryingly RW are falling into a trap here of thinking of the possible potential of an untried outsider like Bentley. I put it to anyone involved with STFC and it's hopes of moving forward in league 1 that we cannot take a risk on someone who lets face it can't even hack it in league 2 as a manager. People will come back and say Morecombe are on their arse , little crowds, little budget etc etc so just think what he might do with a club with a higher budget, bigger crowds etc etc. Key word there is 'might'!! We don't need a might, we need a definite tried and tested league 1 experienced manager who we know can. Jackett, Evans and Holloway can and have, that's what we need. Maybe we can't afford these people and i'm moaning over an impossible aspiration but this is a crossroads for this club for sure. We either stump up and get a manager who can push us up the league and possible play off's or we choose someone who in my honest opinion is worse than the guy we've just got rid of and mediocrity further ever more back in league 2. I want to see our club achieve it's full potential. We were once upon a time a league 2 (championship) club for ten years and Burton have proved that is a possibility now. That might never happen for us but to at least try and aspire to get there is all I want to see. Quite frankly if that ambition isn't there then neither is my interest. As a Shrewsbury fan that is just the way I look at it. Best post I've read on here in the last 2 days Thankyou mighty shrew. That was probably the most heart felt post I've made since the Ratcliffe heartache years. |
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Post by kl85 on Oct 7, 2016 22:09:54 GMT 1
When did Jackett get a club like ours into the Championship? He got Millwall there just but they're a bigger club than Town with twice our attendance. He "succeeded" at Wolves but they had millions to throw at it. All of Jackett's clubs as manager are much bigger than us, would he want to stoop this low? I cant see it and even if he would, I don't think he's proven at a club like ours.
Same with Holloway, a great season getting Blackpool into the top flight but that was before their recent decline and these days he's a pundit for Sky. Could we really tempt him from that comfort to come here? I very much doubt it, he's too comfy and will want a bigger club with more money with his profile.
Evans? Did very well with Crawley and getting Rotherham into the Championship but their attendances are much better than ours and they haven't fallen apart since they parted company with him. He didn't manage too well with Leeds but they have been a bit of a poisoned chalice. Having been with two bigger clubs since Crawley, would he really find Town an attractive draw? Coventry have at least got a top flight history but what have we got that he would want?
Some of us tend to think our club is bigger than it actually is, most of this seasons money will have been spent and I cant see any of them coming here for a tough first season fighting relegation. Some of us need to get real.
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Post by Couchweight on Oct 7, 2016 22:26:29 GMT 1
So in reply to Lord and his heartfelt post on a new gaffer, does he want his so called proven league 1 manager who has been sacked 3 or 4 times already in their managerial careers or somebody who has been performing consistently well and over performing with a side with lowest budget in the entire football league for the past 5 years? A man who is highly respected by players and managers throughout the league for the job he has done and is currently doing? Football people know his qualities and they know he has served a difficult apprenticeship and learnt his trade. Few would deny him his opportunity and yet members on here write him off on a back handed comment. The man was a natural captain and leader of men when he played and has given an indication that he can manage as well albeit with a small close knit squad. Would be a solid choice to move the club forwards and I would defy anybody to find anybody involved in the game, that knows football to state he isn't worth a shot! I don't personally know JB but I've played a bit and know the drill!! Rant over
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Post by suttonshrew on Oct 7, 2016 22:27:09 GMT 1
Interesting name.....
As a club we need to be realistic but also there is a fine line between being realistic and seen as doing it on the cheap.
Names like Jacket, Holloway etc will demand not only big money in wages but big money in regards to rebuilding the squad. They aren't going to risk coming here to fail. Managers like Bentley will want to use Shrewsbury as a stepping stone to move up the ladder but are a massive risk as they are untried at this level and we may very well end up with another Mellon style manager, unable to cope in this league.
Big call for the CEO and Chairman to try and find a happy medium between the two and bring in a name that will keep the fans happy, don't envy them
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 23:01:34 GMT 1
In reply to those above.
I've told it the way I see it.
You can big up Bentley all you like but he's never managed at this level so we don't know how he's going to perform.
My point is that we can't take that chance and need someone who's been there and done it.
If you read my post carefully enough you will notice that I eluded to being maybe unrealistic in my hopes so maybe I need to get real but with teams like Burton achieving good things then it gives me some hope.
That post was my opinion like it or not. I stand by it.
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Post by peterjones1 on Oct 8, 2016 0:08:09 GMT 1
In reply to those above. I've told it the way I see it. You can big up Bentley all you like but he's never managed at this level so we don't know how he's going to perform. My point is that we can't take that chance and need someone who's been there and done it. If you read my post carefully enough you will notice that I eluded to being maybe unrealistic in my hopes so maybe I need to get real but with teams like Burton achieving good things then it gives me some hope. That post was my opinion like it or not. I stand by it. Whilst I understand the sentiment I think it's also worth considering that Burton achieved their current position via taking a chance on a succession of previously largely unproven managers. I've never really bought into the idea of 'proven' managers at this level anyway as the division is made up of so many clubs with vastly different circumstances. Is success with a Wolves or a Bristol City an indicator of likely success at Shrewsbury? |
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Post by kl85 on Oct 8, 2016 0:11:31 GMT 1
In reply to those above. I've told it the way I see it. You can big up Bentley all you like but he's never managed at this level so we don't know how he's going to perform. My point is that we can't take that chance and need someone who's been there and done it. If you read my post carefully enough you will notice that I eluded to being maybe unrealistic in my hopes so maybe I need to get real but with teams like Burton achieving good things then it gives me some hope. That post was my opinion like it or not. I stand by it. I didn't mention Bentley sir, just that some of the bigger names are unrealistic and not particularly great for all the money they will cost. |
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Post by buryshrew on Oct 8, 2016 0:19:13 GMT 1
I find myself feeling largely at ease no matter who the appointment is. I'm not necessarily convinced that a big name manager will always cut it in a lower league than they are used to, along with the challenges of coaching (with all due respect) often less talented individuals. Equally, those who have been doing the league 1 rounds for years have by definition failed as often as they have succeeded, whilst a lesser known guy from lower down would be an interesting risk that could be a revelation or go horribly wrong. There are no 'safe' options as such, so just looking forward to an injection of new ideas from whoever arrives.
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Post by block18shrew on Oct 8, 2016 0:42:18 GMT 1
Don't expect a marquee announcement to be honest but the thought of Bentley is so underwhelming, even their own fans are excited about the prospect of him moving on. Hope this rumour is proved to be nonsense although the bookies are not ALL usually wrong.
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Post by MartinB on Oct 8, 2016 6:45:22 GMT 1
Talk of untried Managers. Three years ago there was this bloke called Mickey Mellon who had only managed for a short time in the bottom Division of the League. I believe he took over at some club that was in turmoil with only 5 players and lead them to promotion to League 1 in his first season as well as that club winning away at a top flight club for the 1st time in their history.
Believe he also had a couple of long cup runs which club hadn't had for a long time including winning away at a number of other higher Division grounds. Club had only ever done that once before.
Perhaps untried managers can be worth a punt.
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Post by mightyshrew on Oct 8, 2016 7:16:45 GMT 1
I wouldn't say MM was untried before us at all.
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Post by Floreat Salopian on Oct 8, 2016 7:24:12 GMT 1
At least if you employ a young manager like Bentley you get someone who has gained managerial experience with a very restricted budget in the league below, he's uncompromising and will be hungry to succeed. Sometimes it's worth taking that risk.
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Post by SouthStandShrew on Oct 8, 2016 7:41:55 GMT 1
Id rather try a David Wagner from abroad....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 7:43:59 GMT 1
*Sigh*
I dunno, maybe it would just have been easier for MM to stay here after all.
As for Bentley, I've all ways stated I'd want him here, he's done well just to keep Morecombe in the league. It will be interesting to see what he does with some backing if those new owners put money into the club.
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Post by wakemanender on Oct 8, 2016 8:09:35 GMT 1
Someone did post that Jackett lives in Hertfordshire so not very attractive for him. I could see him moving on as soon as a Championship post down south became available. Dave Jones in Bridgnorth however looks a better bet
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Post by MartinB on Oct 8, 2016 8:41:50 GMT 1
I wouldn't say MM was untried before us at all. At League 1 level he was |
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Post by Mike Claridge on Oct 8, 2016 8:55:48 GMT 1
Time will tell but I reckon Jim would do a good job for you.
He's been consistent at Morecambe over a considerable period of time. He's operated there on a very restricted budget. His record and reputation for raising morale in the team, and keeping it high, is renowned among players and staff. His relationship and respect for his clubs fans is immense. Add to that he's a top bloke and a real gent.
You'd have to go a long way to find someone else with that background and reputation.
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Post by Floreat Salopian on Oct 8, 2016 9:09:34 GMT 1
Much rather give a young English manager an opportunity rather than do a Port Vale or Huddersfield, however well they're doing at present. It seems that the tendency to employ foreign managers, so prominent in the Premier League, is creeping through the lower leagues. Let's provide opportunities for our own young coaches and managers or else they will stop coming through.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 9:49:38 GMT 1
Talk of untried Managers. Three years ago there was this bloke called Mickey Mellon who had only managed for a short time in the bottom Division of the League. I believe he took over at some club that was in turmoil with only 5 players and lead them to promotion to League 1 in his first season as well as that club winning away at a top flight club for the 1st time in their history. Believe he also had a couple of long cup runs which club hadn't had for a long time including winning away at a number of other higher Division grounds. Club had only ever done that once before. Perhaps untried managers can be worth a punt. Mellon had done well to get Fleetwood into the league and was doing sort of ok with them in division 2 so there was evidence that he could do a good job at that level. The point is here that some people are hoping that someone who is currently managing a struggling league 2 might be able manage us a struggling league 1 club. What evidence is there that it will work apart from hoping he might. |
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Post by venceremos on Oct 8, 2016 11:38:52 GMT 1
Talk of untried Managers. Three years ago there was this bloke called Mickey Mellon who had only managed for a short time in the bottom Division of the League. I believe he took over at some club that was in turmoil with only 5 players and lead them to promotion to League 1 in his first season as well as that club winning away at a top flight club for the 1st time in their history. Believe he also had a couple of long cup runs which club hadn't had for a long time including winning away at a number of other higher Division grounds. Club had only ever done that once before. Perhaps untried managers can be worth a punt. Mellon had done well to get Fleetwood into the league and was doing sort of ok with them in division 2 so there was evidence that he could do a good job at that level. The point is here that some people are hoping that someone who is currently managing a struggling league 2 might be able manage us a struggling league 1 club. What evidence is there that it will work apart from hoping he might. You're right, there's no evidence it would work. But what evidence is there that Jackett, or another bigger name, will succeed at a smaller club than those with which he's succeeded before? None. It's a risk, whoever we get. But I'm with buryshrew - relaxed about it and ready to support whoever we get (excepting Steve Evans & Paulo di Canio!). It's the future, it's unknown, there are no guarantees - and that's a good thing!  |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 8, 2016 12:05:24 GMT 1
I wouldn't say MM was untried before us at all. At League 1 level he was MM was Assistant Manager at Barnsley from Dec 2012 to March 2014. Barnsley were in the Championship, so he has had higher league experience, albeit not in Division 1. |
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Post by cumbriablue on Oct 8, 2016 12:42:37 GMT 1
It's about time some of you got real and asked yourselves the question 'why is it that a lot of posters want to appoint a manager who has failed at other clubs' rather than appoint an up and coming young manager who is well respected throughout the game both by players and fellow managers as well as Directors just because he's currently at a league 2 club.
The guy has operated on the lowest budget throughout the entire football leagues and has managed to maintain FL status despite the lack of money.
How many managers have had money and failed including at our club/
For me it's a no brainer. The guy should be appointed now rather than a past failure.
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