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Post by clive on Jun 3, 2015 16:35:37 GMT 1
Just got in from work to see we have signed this rubbish what happened to we are bringing in quality with experience at this level Free transfer or not he's taking up a wage he makes vernon look like Rooney. Don't understand this at all must have better players in the youth team
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jun 3, 2015 16:46:09 GMT 1
Mmm perhaps some of the same people on this board who told Walsall fans what a great signing (not!) Tom Bradshaw was for them would like to refresh their memories. Sad to see the despondency on here from little or no knowledge of a player and message board gossip. Let the man do the talking on the field, if he signs, and judge him from there on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 16:46:41 GMT 1
Not sure what people were expecting this summer - unless our more experienced or higher value players go then wow signings were unlikely, just a few squad players to strengthen what we already have.
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Post by Dale on Jun 3, 2015 16:47:12 GMT 1
I remember last summer being excited by the signing of Scott Vernon and underwhelmed by the signing of Andy Mangan... so I think I'll reserve judgement until I see him play!
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Post by 18stfc86 on Jun 3, 2015 16:53:33 GMT 1
Our 'supporters' really are a joke! Like some people are saying, so far we've kept the quality from last season and we're slowly adding to it. Who do you seriously expect us to sign? Players like Mark Duffy, David Perkins, Dean Cox, etc don't come cheap! Unless you want us to spend well beyond our means with teams such as Bury? Atleast we won't be shaking buckets begging for money in the next few years. Have a bit of confidence in the manager and the signings so far, it's only June FFS!!!
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Post by kmill1966 on Jun 3, 2015 16:54:53 GMT 1
Can't believe the moaning about quality of players, when they've not seen (hardly seen) the players play. We have to trust MM with this, he didn't do a bad job last year did he? Calm down, let's see what happens after a few games. I'll reserve judgement on them, until I've seen them in Blue & Amber and will support them whatever!
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Post by venceremos on Jun 3, 2015 17:08:31 GMT 1
Can I say I'm totally underwhelmed by the B&A keyboard scouting network? They seem to value the assessments of other clubs' fans more than that of their own club's management and scouts (y'know, the ones who actually watch players play). And they're clueless when it comes to matching up how much players cost with how much we can afford.
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Post by mrbunny on Jun 3, 2015 17:18:05 GMT 1
How much have I seen of this guy, very little.
Therefore I will reserve judgement on him. Hope he does well for us.
Some very harsh comments on here about him when he hasn't even kicked a ball for us yet.
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Post by onthepitch on Jun 3, 2015 17:19:39 GMT 1
I remember him being pretty good against us, if I have the right (correct) winger in mind?
I guess a few will be wondering how he's going to be good enough for us if Luton are releasing him?
Maybe it's a location issue?
Anyway, Vincent only played a handful of times so not that much to live up to ;P
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Post by shrewswolf on Jun 3, 2015 17:19:48 GMT 1
I think it's perfectly acceptable to question a signing like this. We are constantly being told that we will only be signing players that will be an improvement on what we have already got so scrutiny is to be expected. He's a guy that's reached the most important part of his career with very little to show in league football. After 2 years at Luton their staff (y'know the ones that have actually watched him train and play for their club) have decided to release him. Their fans, with no exception, think he's far from good enough for this level. Yeah, fans always react in that sort of way when a player goes but not normally quite so united without compliment. Though they do seem to think he has an exceptional game in him from time to time and maybe that's what Mellon thinks he can get out of him consistently. Now Whalley has to come here and prove everyone wrong and won't they all be happy if he does? Doesn't mean the signing isn't questionable though. But if he's an improvement on Vincent when given the chance then I suppose the 'better than we have already got' box will be ticked. Good luck Shaun Whalley.
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Post by northern salopian on Jun 3, 2015 17:22:37 GMT 1
Mmm perhaps some of the same people on this board who told Walsall fans what a great signing (not!) Tom Bradshaw was for them would like to refresh their memories. Sad to see the despondency on here from little or no knowledge of a player and message board gossip. Let the man do the talking on the field, if he signs, and judge him from there on. Agreed. Actions will speak louder than words...
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Post by mightyshrew on Jun 3, 2015 17:29:37 GMT 1
I seem to remember our staff/management deciding Pugh wasn't worthy of staying with us and I have to confess I did too so...
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Post by bordersalopian on Jun 3, 2015 17:33:08 GMT 1
Remember at the start of last season we'd signed Demetriou, Mangan & Clark...all of whom had little or no league experience - and look at the impact each of those players had for us in L2.
Let's give Agogo & Whalley a chance - they may well be the next of MM's signings to impress us! I feel that we have strengthened so far...and we've got another 8-9 weeks before the start of next season.
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Post by bobbytheblock19er on Jun 3, 2015 17:59:39 GMT 1
Most fans could probably name the starting 11 right now! All the others that come in are going to have to fight to get in the team. So it's not as if we're relying on this guy to play center half or anything !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 18:04:36 GMT 1
Mortgage hound has seen him play countless times, likens him to Duffy, and we have seen what he can do when he come on in the second half when we played at Luton, and he gave Demetriou a torrid time. Mortgagehound also confirms Southport had no problems with his discipline so that's good enough for me! Welcome aboard!
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Post by northern salopian on Jun 3, 2015 18:10:49 GMT 1
Good luck to the lad. As a new recruit to Shrewsbury Town myself, I have some sympathy for his intention to impress!!
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Post by lenny on Jun 3, 2015 18:20:13 GMT 1
Mortgage hound has seen him play countless times, likens him to Duffy, and we have seen what he can do when he come on in the second half when we played at Luton, and he gave Demetriou a torrid time. Mortgagehound also confirms Southport had no problems with his discipline so that's good enough for me! Welcome aboard! Even if we were to take Mortgagehound's word as gospel, that was still some years ago and he has been pretty poor since then. Not that I'm writing him off, mind, but I'm going to wait to see him play before I decide he's the next Duffy (or not). Suspect I may have to wait a while, as this certainly looks like a fairly cheap signing in a position we won't utilise that often rather than expecting him to come straight into the starting XI.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 3, 2015 18:26:32 GMT 1
Not sure what people were expecting this summer - unless our more experienced or higher value players go then wow signings were unlikely, just a few squad players to strengthen what we already have. Got to agree with this, with injured players like Wes and NKP hopefully being available and fresh for the start of the season (they managed to cycle to cheltenham so can't have been far off) we will start stronger than we were for the 2nd half of last season.... MM know he has to get it right (as does RW) because failure, in the form of relagation wont be accepted by the fans so seeing how it goes surely wont be the plan, keeping the squad intact and strengthening will be the way ahead ..... this could change if we sell any of our high profile younger players who would need to be replace with talented experienced players, but then think of the millions we'd have MM knows the potential in this player that is yet to be managed properly so has to be confident he can bring out the best in him......or he wouldn't have signed him......... Only slight concern is that MM is on holiday and MJ's in charge of recruitment ATM
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jun 3, 2015 18:36:52 GMT 1
I think we were spoilt last season. Some of the signings were a magnificent surprise. As far as I know, the vast majority will still be with us this year. MM is well aware of what he needed. You can bet your boots he's seen lot's of them. He knows where they'll fit in, so I'll take his word, and move on confidently.
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Post by poolieshrew on Jun 3, 2015 19:42:01 GMT 1
With plenty of evidence on the table very underwhelmed by the signing, a bit like yourself Sam first time in MMs reign I have found myself thinking that but doesn't mean in MM I don't trust!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 19:54:01 GMT 1
Just got in from work to see we have signed this rubbish what happened to we are bringing in quality with experience at this level Free transfer or not he's taking up a wage he makes vernon look like Rooney. Don't understand this at all must have better players in the youth team well i for one can't wait to see your cv and your obviously exhaustive experience in football management.
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Post by differentcoco on Jun 3, 2015 20:16:57 GMT 1
I think our transfer business was done a year ago for this season. Buy in players on 2/3 year contracts, get promoted and keep the same players together for a crack at League One. When teams usually get promoted they will have a lot of their key players leaving (us in 2012) and we are in a unique position at the moment. Of course, some players could go but MM did his recruitment last year, we just need to top up with a couple of players and we are good to go. I suspect large wages are going to the spine of our team with Goldson,NKP,Lawrence,Weso,Collins,Vernon,Barnett already.
Think you could be right
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 21:19:57 GMT 1
I think it's perfectly acceptable to question a signing like this. We are constantly being told that we will only be signing players that will be an improvement on what we have already got so scrutiny is to be expected. He's a guy that's reached the most important part of his career with very little to show in league football. After 2 years at Luton their staff (y'know the ones that have actually watched him train and play for their club) have decided to release him. Their fans, with no exception, think he's far from good enough for this level. Yeah, fans always react in that sort of way when a player goes but not normally quite so united without compliment. Though they do seem to think he has an exceptional game in him from time to time and maybe that's what Mellon thinks he can get out of him consistently. Now Whalley has to come here and prove everyone wrong and won't they all be happy if he does? Doesn't mean the signing isn't questionable though. But if he's an improvement on Vincent when given the chance then I suppose the 'better than we have already got' box will be ticked. Good luck Shaun Whalley. I think you will find salop let a lad called Marc Pugh go as well.....think he is in the prem come August......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 21:56:33 GMT 1
On paper anyway the quality of player being brought in is no different to last time we went up and we wait to see whether these players can fare any better than the likes of Tam, Winfield and Hall. However, it looks like the squad will have plenty of options come August, something that definitely was not the case 3 years ago. Losing Mangen, Grandison and AA would take something away from the spine of our squad but it probably wouldn't be as bad as when we lost Neal, Sharps, SCS, Wroe and Collins from our last promotion squad.
I'm not very excited by these recent signings but I'm pleased they are being sorted out early to allow a pretty much completed squad to have all of pre-season together. Strangely, I find myself a bit disappointed that we have not sold one of our prize assets as I think that would have given us more options in the transfer market to strengthen the whole squad.. But it's early days yet...
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Post by northern salopian on Jun 3, 2015 22:06:05 GMT 1
At least we appear to be retaining the lads who did the job for us in the first place and that is surely a magnificent start - consistency, cohesion and confidence through pre-season will surely prove to be effective and will ensure a smoother transition than some other teams may experience?
That will give us an advantage over some mid-range League One teams who may be going through the cliched rebuilding period when comings and goings will unsettle the equilibrium of a team.
If we can start from where we left off and have a deeper squad to draw from, surely that's a positive thing?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 22:08:57 GMT 1
On paper anyway the quality of player being brought in is no different to last time we went up and we wait to see whether these players can fare any better than the likes of Tam, Winfield and Hall. However, it looks like the squad will have plenty of options come August, something that definitely was not the case 3 years ago. Losing Mangen, Grandison and AA would take something away from the spine of our squad but it probably wouldn't be as bad as when we lost Neal, Sharps, SCS, Wroe and Collins from our last promotion squad. I'm not very excited by these recent signings but I'm pleased they are being sorted out early to allow a pretty much completed squad to have all of pre-season together. Strangely, I find myself a bit disappointed that we have not sold one of our prize assets as I think that would have given us more options in the transfer market to strengthen the whole squad.. But it's early days yet... Don't worry on that count, one of them will be sold before the season starts for the purpose to take Rolands "STFC rainy day fund " back over the £1 million mark, and rightly so!
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Post by onthepitch on Jun 3, 2015 22:09:56 GMT 1
[/quote] Strangely, I find myself a bit disappointed that we have not sold one of our prize assets [/quote]
Me too.. Odd isn't it. Is the transfer window open yet for players under contract?
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Post by TheFoz on Jun 3, 2015 22:19:45 GMT 1
Same here.
We can't risk losing Woods and Goldson to a tribunal fee.
I expect some clubs haven't really started their transfer business yet but I'd be shocked to see either of them lining up for us this season.
Being very wishful, I hope we sell them both for over £1million each plus sell ons and get them loaned back but I doubt that will happen.
Is it a bit over ambitious but would there be any possibility of getting these two to sign an extension by giving them a bumper contract?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 22:48:42 GMT 1
Our 'supporters' really are a joke! Like some people are saying, so far we've kept the quality from last season and we're slowly adding to it. Who do you seriously expect us to sign? Players like Mark Duffy, David Perkins, Dean Cox, etc don't come cheap! Unless you want us to spend well beyond our means with teams such as Bury? Atleast we won't be shaking buckets begging for money in the next few years. Have a bit of confidence in the manager and the signings so far, it's only June FFS!!! Excellent post mon . Wait until we loose our first game in League 1 . Some on here will be wanting to string MM up by his gonads from the nearest cross bar .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 23:16:18 GMT 1
In can understand folk not been blown away by this one, but there are some drama queens on here! The negatives, would be his age (I'd like to see some younger rough diamonds, like Grandison when he first signed, but that may yet happen) and why a two year deal? On the plus side he's probably not on a huge wage and the Luton fans are not as dismissive as some make out. Comments on their forum include "the lad has talent and MM will get the best out of him", "he's a better player than many on here think", " I've always thought there was a hell of a player in there", "top player with true ability". The concensus is not that he's a rubbish player but that Luton/Whalley has failed to fulfill his clear potential during the time at their club.
A signing that could go either way (hence why 2/yr deal compared to Manganese lat yr?)but remember he replaces the combined contributions of Vincent and Robinson...
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