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Post by victorthekasule on Nov 10, 2024 19:45:54 GMT 1
get Cotterill back now ... ****s sake. Have you been living in a cave for the last 18 months, for the biggest part were in this mess because of him and Caldwell.  think you will find we maintained our league status in the division that is league 1 . how you think Cotterill is to blame for us being bottom of the league in November 2024 is astounding . lots of water and money flowed under the bridge in contracts for players that are not up to it , or too over weight they would struggle to turn on meole island perhaps you think he recruited the players in the current squad ? |
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Post by llanymynechshrew on Nov 10, 2024 19:55:42 GMT 1
Wow, you are unbelievable... Maintained league one status with a squad we couldn't afford, and a man who spent money on expenses that nearly bankrupted the club. and now we have a budget that reflects the money problems we are in. So yes we can blame him for the position we are in.
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Post by hectord0g137 on Nov 10, 2024 19:59:08 GMT 1
Victor me thinks you are deluded if you think Mr C has nothing to do with our plight. Him and the Scottish one emptied our larder and left us with crumbs. Our team is the result of bargain buys. OK on the face of it but scratch the surface no substance. Yes much water has passes under the bridge but all the fish has gone
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Post by Pilch on Nov 10, 2024 20:03:03 GMT 1
****s sake. Have you been living in a cave for the last 18 months, for the biggest part were in this mess because of him and Caldwell. think you will find we maintained our league status in the division that is league 1 . how you think Cotterill is to blame for us being bottom of the league in November 2024 is astounding . lots of water and money flowed under the bridge in contracts for players that are not up to it , or too over weight they would struggle to turn on meole island perhaps you think he recruited the players in the current squad ? 🥳 I'll just laugh , no point trying to debate it |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2024 20:43:21 GMT 1
****s sake. Have you been living in a cave for the last 18 months, for the biggest part were in this mess because of him and Caldwell. think you will find we maintained our league status in the division that is league 1 . how you think Cotterill is to blame for us being bottom of the league in November 2024 is astounding . lots of water and money flowed under the bridge in contracts for players that are not up to it , or too over weight they would struggle to turn on meole island perhaps you think he recruited the players in the current squad ? Whilst others are piling in on your opinion, it’s quite clear that since summer 2023 by which time Caldwell and Cotterill were gone, that significant mistakes have been made by all at the club - Wycherley, Moore and Hurst in particular. To continue to blame others for the current predicament is a convenient scapegoat and an abdication of responsibility. |
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Post by Floreat Salopian on Nov 10, 2024 20:54:56 GMT 1
Moving away from the bickering for a moment; we will possibly have a new manager/ head coach in situ tomorrow. Any insight into who the successful candidate is?
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Post by Pilch on Nov 10, 2024 20:54:59 GMT 1
think you will find we maintained our league status in the division that is league 1 . how you think Cotterill is to blame for us being bottom of the league in November 2024 is astounding . lots of water and money flowed under the bridge in contracts for players that are not up to it , or too over weight they would struggle to turn on meole island perhaps you think he recruited the players in the current squad ? Whilst others are piling in on your opinion, it’s quite clear that since summer 2023 by which time Caldwell and Cotterill were gone, that significant mistakes have been made by all at the club - Wycherley, Moore and Hurst in particular. To continue to blame others for the current predicament is a convenient scapegoat and an abdication of responsibility. Awww bless #weeklybigupsteviebaby Has arrived Remember when cotterill started losing and throwing games and crying , and the likes of him, you and all his fans blamed the chairman saying all he needed was a bigger budget Well he did have a bigger budget , and those left in his wake have a smaller budget because of him and his lunatic destructive selfish antics League 1 in the last few seasons is becoming the new championship cess pit , town are not going backwards, they are getting overtaken by money The pair of C's that almost ruined our club could not have done so at a worse time and the club and fans are currently suffering from their actions But hey , here is a brush , and there is a rug Go sweep the truth under it |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2024 21:13:58 GMT 1
Whilst others are piling in on your opinion, it’s quite clear that since summer 2023 by which time Caldwell and Cotterill were gone, that significant mistakes have been made by all at the club - Wycherley, Moore and Hurst in particular. To continue to blame others for the current predicament is a convenient scapegoat and an abdication of responsibility. Awww bless #weeklybigupsteviebaby Has arrived Remember when cotterill started losing and throwing games and crying , and the likes of him, you and all his fans blamed the chairman saying all he needed was a bigger budget Well he did have a bigger budget , and those left in his wake have a smaller budget because of him and his lunatic destructive selfish antics League 1 in the last few seasons is becoming the new championship cess pit , town are not going backwards, they are getting overtaken by money The pair of C's that almost ruined our club could not have done so at a worse time and the club and fans are currently suffering from their actions But hey , here is a brush , and there is a rug Go sweep the truth under it If you continue to believe Wycherley, Moore and Hurst are blameless (though you always let Hurst criticism slide it’s just Wycherley and Moore criticism you seem to have an issue with) and continue to hound people who have an alternate opinion, it’s no wonder that this messageboard seems a lot quieter these days. I’m speaking for the silent majority. |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 10, 2024 21:30:16 GMT 1
Awww bless #weeklybigupsteviebaby Has arrived Remember when cotterill started losing and throwing games and crying , and the likes of him, you and all his fans blamed the chairman saying all he needed was a bigger budget Well he did have a bigger budget , and those left in his wake have a smaller budget because of him and his lunatic destructive selfish antics League 1 in the last few seasons is becoming the new championship cess pit , town are not going backwards, they are getting overtaken by money The pair of C's that almost ruined our club could not have done so at a worse time and the club and fans are currently suffering from their actions But hey , here is a brush , and there is a rug Go sweep the truth under it If you continue to believe Wycherley, Moore and Hurst are blameless (though you always let Hurst criticism slide it’s just Wycherley and Moore criticism you seem to have an issue with) and continue to hound people who have an alternate opinion, it’s no wonder that this messageboard seems a lot quieter these days. I’m speaking for the silent majority. fake news I've criticised hurst most weeks on here, I feel he messed up with the defence, lost the dressing room and tactically lost the plot towards the end, I believe the squad is capable of staying up, I've also said, moore has been on the back burner all year, how can we blame him ? , fact is when we most needed that rainy day fund we discovered a big black hole in it , your man off the pitch is more of a culprit that hurst was on it, or at best as bad as each other, at least one of them was only taking us as far as league 2, they other was go to the unibond, do not pass go do not collect £200 ;-( |
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Post by johnno on Nov 10, 2024 21:34:52 GMT 1
Moving away from the bickering for a moment; we will possibly have a new manager/ head coach in situ tomorrow. Any insight into who the successful candidate is? Me thinks the news (indicated by RW's venture onto the coach) is about the sale rather than a coach....or at least i hope so |
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Post by gobowenshrew on Nov 10, 2024 21:54:03 GMT 1
Moving away from the bickering for a moment; we will possibly have a new manager/ head coach in situ tomorrow Hear hear. Pretty clear why post engagements seem to be at an all time low on this forum. The same tired people/arguments. Re: the manager I think it's between Ainsworth and Maamria and hopefully we'll hear tomorrow. Though wouldn't be surprised if we hear absolutely nothing. |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 10, 2024 22:03:30 GMT 1
Moving away from the bickering for a moment; we will possibly have a new manager/ head coach in situ tomorrow Hear hear. Pretty clear why post engagements seem to be at an all time low on this forum. The same tired people/arguments. Re: the manager I think it's between Ainsworth and Maamria and hopefully we'll hear tomorrow. Though wouldn't be surprised if we hear absolutely nothing. As usual it's fair game when the posts are attacking the club , it's only classed as bickering when someone posts and sticks up for the club they support ( if you want a million examples just ask ) 😜 Go back to the early pages of this forum and you'll find it wasn't much different , the only difference was there was more respect to each other as we often met up , now it's anonymous sniping most of the time , other social media sites seem even b***hier to me , take it or leave it |
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Post by dewsburyshrew on Nov 10, 2024 22:06:48 GMT 1
I did wonder about the sale of the club, but surely if it was that far forward something would have leaked by now.
Having said that, security at the club seems to have improved. Does anyone have a clue who the new manager is?
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Post by Floreat Salopian on Nov 10, 2024 22:08:59 GMT 1
Hear hear. Pretty clear why post engagements seem to be at an all time low on this forum. The same tired people/arguments. Re: the manager I think it's between Ainsworth and Maamria and hopefully we'll hear tomorrow. Though wouldn't be surprised if we hear absolutely nothing. As usual it's fair game when the posts are attacking the club , it's only classed as bickering when someone posts and sticks up for the club they support ( if you want a million examples just ask ) 😜 Go back to the early pages of this forum and you'll find it wasn't much different , the only difference was there was more respect to each other as we often met up , now it's anonymous sniping most of the time , other social media sites seem even b***hier to me , take it or leave it It was me that referred to it as bickering and I have no issue with your opinion, some valid points which I agree with, but frankly I’m just interested in what tomorrow’s news is likely to be and who’s the most likely candidate for the hot seat. |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 10, 2024 22:23:28 GMT 1
As usual it's fair game when the posts are attacking the club , it's only classed as bickering when someone posts and sticks up for the club they support ( if you want a million examples just ask ) 😜 Go back to the early pages of this forum and you'll find it wasn't much different , the only difference was there was more respect to each other as we often met up , now it's anonymous sniping most of the time , other social media sites seem even b***hier to me , take it or leave it It was me that referred to it as bickering and I have no issue with your opinion, some valid points which I agree with, but frankly I’m just interested in what tomorrow’s news is likely to be and who’s the most likely candidate for the hot seat. shame you didnt arrive earlier when the thread was going sensibly until someone arrived ignoring the rules and their best effort of a debate was Haha, I see you’re carrying on defending the indefensiblethis was the cue for cotterill fishing, and all sorts of childishness, yes I joined in too I see at least one has deleted his awful posts and vanished, every cloud.. anyway back to topic the fantasy side of my brain is expecting Jimmy Floyd Hasslebank to turn up tomorrow, my reality side says I'll be googling the name to find out who he is |
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Post by gobowenshrew on Nov 10, 2024 22:26:01 GMT 1
Hear hear. Pretty clear why post engagements seem to be at an all time low on this forum. The same tired people/arguments. Re: the manager I think it's between Ainsworth and Maamria and hopefully we'll hear tomorrow. Though wouldn't be surprised if we hear absolutely nothing. As usual it's fair game when the posts are attacking the club , it's only classed as bickering when someone posts and sticks up for the club they support ( if you want a million examples just ask ) 😜 Go back to the early pages of this forum and you'll find it wasn't much different , the only difference was there was more respect to each other as we often met up , now it's anonymous sniping most of the time , other social media sites seem even b***hier to me , take it or leave it From what I gather whatever the consensus among fans is, there's people that make it their mission to go against it. I'm all for a broad church for opinions but most of the time it just created endless back biting. I don't know if it's 'oppositional defiant disorder' in action. As a father of an ADHD child I'm used to seeing that a lot. I vividly remember people threatening to cancel their season tickets because a couple of games were being brought forward in the winter because of the energy crisis a couple of years back. And we were doing well then! But when we're literally at our lowest ebb in recent memory, the same people are calling out fellow fans for being critical! You couldn't write it. |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 10, 2024 22:46:09 GMT 1
As usual it's fair game when the posts are attacking the club , it's only classed as bickering when someone posts and sticks up for the club they support ( if you want a million examples just ask ) 😜 Go back to the early pages of this forum and you'll find it wasn't much different , the only difference was there was more respect to each other as we often met up , now it's anonymous sniping most of the time , other social media sites seem even b***hier to me , take it or leave it From what I gather whatever the consensus among fans is, there's people that make it their mission to go against it. I'm all for a broad church for opinions but most of the time it just created endless back biting. I don't know if it's 'oppositional defiant disorder' in action. As a father of an ADHD child I'm used to seeing that a lot. I vividly remember people threatening to cancel their season tickets because a couple of games were being brought forward in the winter because of the energy crisis a couple of years back. And we were doing well then! But when we're literally at our lowest ebb in recent memory, the same people are calling out fellow fans for being critical! You couldn't write it. Ok I'll play along , let's sack Micky Moore tonight , but who shall we sack tomorrow ? , I see they are already targeting JayneB and Tom Ware on other social media sites , maybe we could then axe parish if we lose on Tuesday 🪓🪓🪓, As I mentioned last week , the general consensus is we want Gareth Ainsworth , it took him 6 seasons to take Wycombe out of league 2 including avoiding relegation to the conference on goal difference one season Sorry but we don't have patience like that with our fans ricketts had a better start in league 1 than Gareth had in league 2 and yet his name is mud amongst most fans Simpson was also better in 2 Askey , Mellon , none of them allowed a long term our expectations are just unrealistic at times , I'm never thanked for being realistic |
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Post by suttonshrew on Nov 10, 2024 23:27:26 GMT 1
Agree with a lot of what you say Pilch but wouldn’t say our fans are unrealistic, I think it’s more a case that many are just fed up. This appointment is probably the biggest we have made as a club since the conference season, Ainsworth would reset the balance imo, Mangan is a risk but would excite me, Mammria is a risk and don’t know much about him as whether I’d be pleased for not, the other names being mentioned I’d struggle to see how it changes the direction we are heading….. that said what do I know about football, I was happy with Hurst coming back
As for staff etc, chairman’s trying to sell, everyone’s working their bums off, not sure what else they can do given where we seem to be. The chairman has always made it clear the manager/coach/dof signs the players.
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Post by gobowenshrew on Nov 11, 2024 0:01:15 GMT 1
From what I gather whatever the consensus among fans is, there's people that make it their mission to go against it. I'm all for a broad church for opinions but most of the time it just created endless back biting. I don't know if it's 'oppositional defiant disorder' in action. As a father of an ADHD child I'm used to seeing that a lot. I vividly remember people threatening to cancel their season tickets because a couple of games were being brought forward in the winter because of the energy crisis a couple of years back. And we were doing well then! But when we're literally at our lowest ebb in recent memory, the same people are calling out fellow fans for being critical! You couldn't write it. Ok I'll play along , let's sack Micky Moore tonight , but who shall we sack tomorrow ? , I see they are already targeting JayneB and Tom Ware on other social media sites , maybe we could then axe parish if we lose on Tuesday 🪓🪓🪓, As I mentioned last week , the general consensus is we want Gareth Ainsworth , it took him 6 seasons to take Wycombe out of league 2 including avoiding relegation to the conference on goal difference one season Sorry but we don't have patience like that with our fans ricketts had a better start in league 1 than Gareth had in league 2 and yet his name is mud amongst most fans Simpson was also better in 2 Askey , Mellon , none of them allowed a long term our expectations are just unrealistic at times , I'm never thanked for being realistic Fans expectations are tempered by the situation the club is in at that time. Currently we are in a period of uncertainty off the pitch with relegation almost certainly staring us in the face on it. We have a squad patched together over three managerial cycles, mostly of journeymen and duds bought in on the cheap (We know this because Micky Moore proudly boasted the budget has always been the same - this in 'real terms' is a budget cut. (Ignores inflation, much higher standard of league this season). Therefore unless the change of ownership is imminent (which it may be for all we know), I don't see us being a particularly appealing prospect for any proven or experienced manager. A Maamria appointment for example, where his last job was getting sacked from one of the few clubs who have been consistently worse than us over the last couple of years would remind me of when Ratcliffe came in after getting the boot from Chester. That said 'if' it is him then fans will support him and he may well turn out to be a success. Ainsworth is at least proven - he is the most successful and had the longest spell of any manager in Wycombe's history, not to mention got them promoted to the Championship. Matt Bloomfield, who played under him the entire time he was there as manager, is now building a squad that may well return the club back to the second tier (although rumours are he is a strong contender for the Coventry job). They've had American investment for the last few years which has undoubtedly helped but it is indisputable that Ainsworth laid the foundations for where the club is now. He did however get sacked from QPR and like anyone there is zero guarantee he would be a success but it would show more ambition than any of the realistic names being thrown about. Some of our past managers may have had better win rates than others and I don't doubt there's inconsistencies in which managers have been more popular than others but you're comparing apples to oranges. It's easy to be an after-timer and say so-and-so should have been given more time when we know what happened next. I absolutely disagree on Mellon by the way - the final era Mellon team was among the worst I've ever witnessed. The only manager in my lifetime that I was genuinely surprised to see get the boot/leave (other than Cotterill) was probably Jimmy Quinn. I think in every other occasion we got it right. Probably further supported by the fact Ricketts never managed again, Askey has gradually dropped down the pyramid and Taylor's next job was Wealdstone. |
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Post by claphamshrew on Nov 11, 2024 0:21:21 GMT 1
I was going to make a very similar point. I often hear the argument that none of Cotterill’s megabucks players are playing at a higher level now compared to when they were with us, yet this same argument apparently doesn’t apply to our recent former managers when discussing whether we were right to sack them, all of whom are either no longer managing or at conference level or below.
Indeed since leaving us I believe only Hurst, Simpson and Mellon have managed at League One level, with the latter two promptly leading their sides to relegation in their first season back following promotion from League Two.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 11, 2024 0:30:58 GMT 1
I was going to make a very similar point. I often hear the argument that none of Cotterill’s megabucks players are playing at a higher level now compared to when they were with us, yet this same argument apparently doesn’t apply to our recent former managers when discussing whether we were right to sack them, all of whom are either no longer managing or at conference level or below. Indeed since leaving us I believe only Hurst, Simpson and Mellon have managed at League One level, with the latter two promptly leading their sides to relegation in their first season back following promotion from League Two. good to see the thread back in track with some decent debate Didn't simpson have some England success ? Mike Jackson seems to have bettered himself with Burnley but didn't quite pull it off Has a manager ever had success at a higher level after leaving us ? |
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Post by claphamshrew on Nov 11, 2024 0:47:09 GMT 1
No doubt Simpson did well with the England youth setup but it’s fair to say he’s proven to be unable to cut it at League One level.
IIRC Jackson wasn’t sacked as manager, he just returned to his number 2 position under Mellon the following season after our relegation from League One, and was collateral after Mellon (who I was a big fan of) completely lost the plot towards the end of his tenure.
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Post by suttonshrew on Nov 11, 2024 0:55:50 GMT 1
Cottrells team is irrelevant, as we couldn’t afford them. Out of all our other managers Simpson probably had the best squad on paper and imo failed miserably given what the chairman gave him. Hurst def over achieved first time so can’t blame us getting him back. Taylor,Ricketts and Askey have been horrendous, the others all seemed to have decent supporter backing. That’s why we need someone with something different this time, something that the fans think could help us turn the corner, it may be to late for this season but if that’s the case build to stabilise the club for next season
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Post by harboroughshrew on Nov 11, 2024 8:56:08 GMT 1
The Deck is reporting its down to a shortlist of three - Andy Crosby, Dino Maamria and Mark Kennedy and that a decision is imminent.
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Post by flixo84 on Nov 11, 2024 9:41:14 GMT 1
Should be an interesting day ahead.
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Post by hectord0g137 on Nov 11, 2024 9:43:15 GMT 1
Taylor wasn't given a chance. The jungle drums put paid to that
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Nov 11, 2024 10:22:22 GMT 1
Ainsworth is the only one I can see being appointed who will have universal support, those three names touted earlier fill me with dread
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Post by shroppygold on Nov 11, 2024 10:26:50 GMT 1
Ainsworth is the only one I can see being appointed who will have universal support, those three names touted earlier fill me with dread Have to agree with that statement |
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Post by secretshrew on Nov 11, 2024 11:04:28 GMT 1
Christ. Those 3 hardly inspire me and consequently I doubt a squad already low on confidence will be that inspired either. Crosby is someone I know nothing about … Ainsworth would be my favourite purely because he’s actually achieved something!
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Post by shroppygold on Nov 11, 2024 11:15:51 GMT 1
Dink has a good track record in this scenario but he ain’t actually going to get the crowd exciting
Gareth ainsworth even he was involved in the biggest cheating scandal down the meadow, I’ve always liked him and what he did at Wycombe was brilliant.
I’d also be happy with Ryan Lowe as he’s proven himself at a higher level and is a fans favourite.
If it’s Craig Harrison we all know what’s going to happen upstairs
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